Poll of the Day > Trump Delivers Divisive Culture War Message at Mount Rushmore

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MrMelodramatic posted...

statues of any real person is dumb imo. There should be statues for like, 3 things. Great achievements (monument to eradication of polio), great loss (holocaust or natural disaster), and maybe one for other organisms that arent human (Laika, or like the one of rats being used for science).

Making a monument to any one person or resembling any one person is always going to be bad because people arent perfect. Tear them all down is my stance. Obviously something like the Lincoln memorial is less problematic than confederate statues, but Im up for bringing them both down.

I agree with this. People are very fond of saying "If we take down all the statues of people who did bad things, there'll be no statues of people left!", and I really struggle to see that as a bad thing. You can commemorate great achievements and other significant historical events without attaching a face (and, by extension, everything else the wearer of that face has done in their life) to them, and in fact, most historical events can be attributed to multiple people and honouring just one with a statue is a disservice to everyone else involved. Toss in that non-human statues are generally going to be more artistically interesting (the ancient Greeks have already done pretty much everything interesting that there is to do in the realm of sculpting realistic human figures), and it seems like a win-win to me

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If we have no statues of people how will we even know that people actually existed in olden times

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Mead posted...

If we have no statues of people how will we even know that people actually existed in olden times

Thats why as Plebs invest in tombstones... Ive had a world class Italian sculptor make a life size sculpture of me, with angel wings, ON TOP of my tombstone.

Everyone will know... here lies HornedLion: Computer illiterate progressive that was well loved but wouldnt hesitate to vandalize your vehicle with corn syrup if you cross him.

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Most people have only seen Mt Rushmore from below, and usually pretty tightly cropped. When you zoom out, it's really not that great.



All that gravel in front is literally just the crap left over from carving. There used to be a forest in there.

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It's even less impressive from directly above. But look at all that debris.



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^ Always thought that the carvings looked very out of place. Like almost tacked on.

hungrymike posted...

The statue in question, while at first glance may appear to be a black man on his knees and subservience to Lincoln, upon closer inspection he is actually rising from his knees and Breaking Free from his shackles. Not to mention the statue was funded by freed slaves. I think the statue should be preserved.

I mean, even being charitable to the statue, it could be the cover image for an essay on the white savior trope. It is pretty yikesy regardless of whether or not the other figure is subservient, though I can only speak with a modern perspective.

Tbh, I think if the statue had just been of a man breaking free of chains, it would be a more powerful image anyway.

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The Crazy Horse Memorial, currently under construction, looks like it will be far more impressive when completed.







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Gaawa_chan posted...

^ Always thought that the carvings looked very out of place. Like almost tacked on.

I mean, even being charitable to the statue, it could be the cover image for an essay on the white savior trope. It is pretty yikesy regardless of whether or not the other figure is subservient, though I can only speak with a modern perspective.

Tbh, I think if the statue had just been of a man breaking free of chains, it would be a more powerful image anyway.

But they didn't break their chains.

Lincoln broke them.

Probably because he thought slavery was yikesy.

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Werent the black hills super sacred to the indigenous people in that area as well? Talk about a dick move

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ninja_lootz posted...

*Conditions and caveats and exceptions notwithstanding.*

*Ignoring all other contributions to abolition for the purposes of inflating the politically expedient decision of one man weaponising conditional abolition against treasonous states.*

captpackrat posted...

The Crazy Horse Memorial, currently under construction, looks like it will be far more impressive when completed.

I suppose in the category of "big ugly carvings defacing ancient natural landscapes" it is not as bad, but that's a damn low bar.

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captpackrat posted...

The Crazy Horse Memorial, currently under construction, looks like it will be far more impressive when completed.

What was so crazy about his horse?
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Fake news

https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status/1279438142848880640

captpackrat posted...

The Crazy Horse Memorial, currently under construction, looks like it will be far more impressive when completed.

I am surprised large scale projects like this still happen.

blu posted...

I am surprised large scale projects like this still happen.

You could say...

*sunglasses*

...that it's crazy.

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Entity13 posted...

You could say...

*sunglasses*

...that it's crazy.

Anyone who visits that monument is certain to have a whale of a time.

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The GOP since Nixon have never campaigned on the issues. They have, since that time, used fear, race and divide to stoke the fires. If they cared about the country and its citizens, they would be addressing the homeless and drug addict situation that grips this country and the horrible healthcare system and the lack of decent paying jobs but that's not what the GOP does.

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BUMPED2002 posted...

The GOP since Nixon have never campaigned on the issues. They have, since that time, used fear, race and divide to stoke the fires. If they cared about the country and its citizens, they would be addressing the homeless and drug addict situation that grips this country and the horrible healthcare system and the lack of decent paying jobs but that's not what the GOP does.

Is that why Barack Obama won because he was Black (getting over 95% of the Black vote due to his skin color) to the point where it was the reason why he got a Nobel Peace Prize only a few months into his Presidency, and Joe Biden wants a Black Woman solely because she is a Black Woman, as well as the Democrats trying to make EVERY SINGLE THING about race?

TheWorstPoster posted...

Is that why Barack Obama won because he was Black (getting over 95% of the Black vote due to his skin color) to the point where it was the reason why he got a Nobel Peace Prize only a few months into his Presidency, and Joe Biden wants a Black Woman solely because she is a Black Woman, as well as the Democrats trying to make EVERY SINGLE THING about race?

Where did they say he got the prize for being black?
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https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/2009/press-release/

The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obamas vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.

Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obamas initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.

Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the worlds attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the worlds population.

For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the worlds leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obamas appeal that Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges.

Oslo, October 9, 2009

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Yeah last time I went to Mount Rushmore, I also saw the Crazy Horse memorial, and went to the Indian Museum of North America. Highly recommend it.

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