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MrMelodramatic
07/04/20 12:34:06 AM
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/03/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-mount-rushmore.html?referringSource=articleShare

Standing in a packed amphitheater in front of Mount Rushmore for an Independence Day celebration, President Trump on Friday delivered a dark and divisive speech that cast his struggling effort to win a second term as a battle against a new far-left fascism seeking to wipe out the nations values and history.
With the coronavirus pandemic raging and his campaign faltering in the polls, his appearance amounted to a fiery reboot of his re-election effort, using the holiday and an official presidential address to mount a full-on culture war against a straw-man version of the left that he portrayed as inciting mayhem and moving the country toward totalitarianism.
Our nation is witnessing a merciless campaign to wipe out our history, defame our heroes, erase our values and indoctrinate our children, Mr. Tump said, addressing a packed crowd of sign-waving supporters, few of whom wore masks. Angry mobs are trying to tear down statues of our founders, deface our most sacred memorials and unleash a wave of violent crime in our cities.
Mr. Trump barely mentioned the pandemic, even as the country surpassed 53,000 new cases of the coronavirus and health officials across the country urged Americans to scale back their Fourth of July plans as the pandemic made a frightening resurgence.
Instead, the president leaned into the culture wars that invigorate his base of supporters. Railing against what he described as a dangerous cancel culture, Mr. Trump said the left wanted to unleash a wave of violent crime in cities across the country. He said they think the American people are weak and soft and submissive.
In contrast, he framed himself as the leader who would protect the Second Amendment, law enforcement and the countrys heritage.
His speech came at the end of a day when at least five states Alabama, Alaska, Kansas, North Carolina and South Carolina reported their highest single day of cases yet. Newly reported cases of the virus were rising in all but a handful of states, and many large cities, including Houston, Dallas, Jacksonville and Los Angeles, were seeing alarming growth.
Mr. Trump planned to follow up his trip with a Salute to America celebration on Saturday on the South Lawn at the White House, marked by a military flyover and the launch of 10,000 fireworks on the National Mall.
Mayor Muriel E. Bowser of Washington has warned the gathering violates federal health guidelines. The Trump administration, which controls the federal property of the National Mall, pushed for the celebration, ignoring a mayor officials view as a political rival.
Throughout his presidency, Mr. Trump has tried to bend events to his will, often using social media to drive home his alternate version of reality and, thanks to the power of repetition and the loyal support of his base, sometimes succeeding. But the presidents attempt to drive deeper into the culture wars around a national holiday, during an intensifying health crisis that will not yield to his tactics, risked coming across as out of sync with the concerned mood of the country at a moment when his re-election campaign is struggling and unfocused.
I dont think it will work, because what he is trying to do is pretend that the situation is better than it is, said Michael Beschloss, the historian and author of Presidents of War.
Mr. Beschloss compared Mr. Trump to Woodrow Wilson, who presided over the influenza pandemic in 1918 by trying to pretend it was not happening, and to Herbert Hoover, who in 1932 tried to project that the Great Depression was not as bad as people were saying.
People voted him out because they felt he did not understand the suffering, Mr. Beschloss said, referring to Hoover. Mr. Beschloss said that while presidents had always celebrated the Fourth of July, it was also highly unusual to turn it into a partisan rally.
Most presidents in history have understood that when they appear at a national monument, its usually a moment to act as a unifying chief of state, not a partisan divider, Mr. Beschloss said.
Mr. Trump has consistently played down the concerns over spikes in new cases, even as many cities and states have had to slow or reverse their reopenings, claiming that young people get better much easier and faster, that the death rate is declining and that the virus will just disappear.
On Thursday, he lauded his administrations response, referred to the surge in new cases as temporary hot spots and focused instead on what he said was evidence of the economy bouncing back.
A lot of people would have wilted, Mr. Trump said at a news conference where he praised the latest job numbers. We didnt wilt. Our country didnt wilt.

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MrMelodramatic
07/04/20 12:35:11 AM
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In South Dakota, Mr. Trump enjoys the backing of Gov. Kristi Noem, a Republican, who said there were no plans to enforce social distancing for the presidents visit.
Were asking them to come, be ready to celebrate, to enjoy the freedoms and the liberties that we have in this country, Ms. Noem said in an interview this week with the Fox News host Laura Ingraham. We wont be social distancing.
In recent weeks, South Dakota has had one of the countrys most encouraging trend lines. The state has averaged a few dozen new cases each day, including 85 announced Friday. There has not been a day with more than 100 new cases in South Dakota since late May.
In Washington, however, officials are adamantly opposed to the celebration that White House officials defended as a gathering people could enjoy safely. Administration officials noted that the celebration was scaled back from last years event, when Mr. Trump turned the holiday into a salute to the military, with tanks on the streets of the capital and flyovers from Air Force One as well as aircraft from each branch of the armed forces, as he delivered remarks from the Lincoln Memorial.
Kayleigh McEnany, the White House press secretary, said this week that Mr. Trump had recommended following guidelines set by local authorities only on wearing masks not on social distancing overall. The C.D.C. guidelines, Id also note, say recommended, but not required, she said. We are very much looking forward to the Fourth of July celebration.
This year, the National Park Service said it was taking extra safety precautions on the National Mall, installing more than 100 hand-washing stations throughout the area, up from 15 last year. Officials also said they had 300,000 cloth facial coverings on hand to distribute.
We are committed to providing the American people with a safe and spectacular celebration of our nations birthday in Washington D.C., which will honor our military with music, flyovers and fireworks, a spokesman for the park service said. We are doing so consistent with our mission and historical practices, and we hope everyone enjoys the days festivities.
The presidents political opponents, however, said the celebrations were about one person, only: the president himself.
Donald Trump is seeking to aggrandize himself and divide our nation at yet another rally, said Andrew Bates, a spokesman for Mr. Biden. Joe Biden believes the presidency is about serving the American people whereas Donald Trump only exploits it to serve himself.
On Friday, Mr. Trump spent the day at his golf course in Sterling, Va., before he departed for South Dakota, and White House officials said they had no safety concerns about the trip.
But the virus has already shown it can infiltrate the administration, and the White House has experienced the dangers of staging large gatherings as the pandemic rages. Vice President Mike Pence postponed a planned trip this week to Arizona after Secret Service agents set to accompany him tested positive for the coronavirus or showed symptoms. And at least eight campaign staff members who helped plan Mr. Trumps indoor rally last month in Tulsa, Okla., have tested positive, either before the rally or after attending.
Before the president left for South Dakota on Friday, Trump campaign aides were circulating on social a doctored image of Mount Rushmore, featuring Mr. Trumps face carved into the stone next to some of the nations most revered presidents.
Mount Rushmore, improved, one aide wrote.

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PowerSurgeX
07/04/20 12:42:51 AM
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tl; dr

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MrMelodramatic
07/04/20 12:43:25 AM
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PowerSurgeX posted...
tl; dr
tbh me either but the headline sounds bad

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Mead
07/04/20 12:47:36 AM
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In no way are confederate generals our heroes

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Lokarin
07/04/20 12:55:56 AM
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how can you protect the 2nd ammendment when you betray the other... 30?

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Muscles
07/04/20 12:57:36 AM
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Mead posted...
In no way are confederate generals our heroes
Tbf he's at least partially right, they tore down statues of Lincoln and Grant, and they are without a doubt American heroes, he still fails but still

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Mead
07/04/20 1:20:45 AM
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Tbf he's at least partially right, they tore down statues of Lincoln and Grant, and they are without a doubt American heroes, he still fails but still

but still

Lincoln is on our penny, our fives, and has a ton of other monuments. They went after a particular statue for a particular reason. It was controversial for its depiction of black people even when it was originally built

Its not like folks are trying to erase Lincoln from history, they just werent ok with one particular statue

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helIy
07/04/20 1:24:38 AM
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blue states are going down in cases, while red states are fucking skyrocketing

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OhhhJa
07/04/20 2:01:31 AM
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helIy posted...
blue states are going down in cases, while red states are fucking skyrocketing
*Cough cough* Illinois

*Cough cough* CA
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Revelation34
07/04/20 2:07:16 AM
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Lokarin posted...
how can you protect the 2nd ammendment when you betray the other... 30?


There's only 27 amendments.
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keyblader1985
07/04/20 2:11:56 AM
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The worst part is that people will and do take all of his divisive bullshit to heart. They view anyone who disagrees with them as enemies of all things good and decent, and double down on their love of a fucking cheeto.

The difference between him and any half decent president is that he makes no attempt or pretense of wanting to work with or help anyone that he dislikes. He paints a permanent target on them and disown them as sub-people unworthy of acknowledgement on any civil level. He's all about chaos.

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EvilMegas
07/04/20 2:20:03 AM
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MrMelodramatic posted...
Our nation is witnessing a merciless campaign to wipe out our history, defame our heroes, erase our values and indoctrinate our children, Mr. Tump said, addressing a packed crowd of sign-waving supporters, few of whom wore masks. Angry mobs are trying to tear down statues of our founders, deface our most sacred memorials and unleash a wave of violent crime in our cities.
Lol there you go folks the confederates are his version of America's heroes.

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HornedLion
07/04/20 2:23:29 AM
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Mead posted...
but still

Lincoln is on our penny, our fives, and has a ton of other monuments. They went after a particular statue for a particular reason. It was controversial for its depiction of black people even when it was originally built

Its not like folks are trying to erase Lincoln from history, they just werent ok with one particular statue

You are correct, Mead. But do you think the right wing Rorschachs are going to see this?

helIy posted...
blue states are going down in cases, while red states are fucking skyrocketing

Yup. And now all of a sudden the virus isnt a Democrat hoax. Theyre starting to take it seriously. But perhaps if they do so earlier, we all would be in a better position by now.



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Lokarin
07/04/20 2:27:31 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
There's only 27 amendments.

that's pretty close to 30, so my guess wasn't too far off

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Revelation34
07/04/20 2:38:18 AM
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Lokarin posted...


that's pretty close to 30, so my guess wasn't too far off


Well if we want to get technical it's only 26 since one of those was repealing another.
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Entity13
07/04/20 2:38:33 AM
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OhhhJa posted...
*Cough cough* Illinois

*Cough cough* CA

Generally in the red areas of those states. Same for WA. East of the cascades, the cases are rising, because people are defying the mask orders, to say the least.

Also that cough is sounding nasty. You might want to get tested.

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Zeus
07/04/20 2:53:12 AM
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MrMelodramatic posted...
President Trump on Friday delivered a dark and divisive speech that cast his struggling effort to win a second term as a battle against a new far-left fascism seeking to wipe out the nations values and history.

Leave it to the heavily biased NYT to frame things like that >_> I'm surprised they didn't just go for the gusto and say, "Trump and the forces of order are faltering in their battle with the forces of chaos."

helIy posted...
blue states are going down in cases, while red states are fucking skyrocketing

New York reports 918 new coronavirus infections, its highest total since mid-June
https://nypost.com/2020/07/03/ny-reports-918-new-virus-infections-9-covid-19-deaths/

NJ No Longer On Track To Contain Coronavirus, Study Shows
https://patch.com/new-jersey/mendham-chester/nj-no-longer-track-contain-coronavirus-study-shows

South Jersey county sees highest rate of coronavirus cases for third week in row.
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/07/south-jersey-county-sees-highest-rate-of-coronavirus-
cases-for-third-week-in-row-see-how-your-county-compares.html

CDC antibody study shows Connecticut had six times the number of COVID-19 infections originally reported
https://ctmirror.org/2020/06/26/cdc-study-shows-connecticut-had-six-times-the-number-of-covid-19-infections-originally-reported/

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OniRonin
07/04/20 2:55:53 AM
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has anyone noticed before that mount rushmore looks like shit. they didnt even clean up the gravel lmao. so tacky

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TheSlinja
07/04/20 2:56:35 AM
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damg zeus not even talking about the statues, thats a red card, time out,your on the bench, baseball

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hungrymike
07/04/20 3:23:13 AM
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HornedLion posted...


Yup. And now all of a sudden the virus isnt a Democrat hoax. Theyre starting to take it seriously. But perhaps if they do so earlier, we all would be in a better position by now.

According to this data, it looks like deaths spiked in April and have been going down. So perhaps the spike in cases may be due to increased testing, or maybe more young people getting it (due to one reason or another) Either way it doesn't appear the situation is as dire as the news channels make it out to be.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

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Lokarin
07/04/20 3:25:32 AM
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hungrymike posted...
According to this data, it looks like deaths spiked in April and have been going down

I don't know the American timeline that well ,but we first started getting alerts here in mid March, so early-April would be the hazard peak as the prevention methods begin to take their effects.

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hungrymike
07/04/20 3:33:20 AM
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Mead posted...
They went after a particular statue for a particular reason. It was controversial for its depiction of black people even when it was originally built

Its not like folks are trying to erase Lincoln from history, they just werent ok with one particular statue

The statue in question, while at first glance may appear to be a black man on his knees and subservience to Lincoln, upon closer inspection he is actually rising from his knees and Breaking Free from his shackles. Not to mention the statue was funded by freed slaves. I think the statue should be preserved.
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OhhhJa
07/04/20 3:35:40 AM
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Entity13 posted...
Generally in the red areas of those states. Same for WA. East of the cascades, the cases are rising, because people are defying the mask orders, to say the least.

Also that cough is sounding nasty. You might want to get tested.
Interesting, I wasn't aware LA was red. Or Chicago. Or Austin. Or Miami. As a matter of fact, this virus has exploded in major cities which are all overwhelmingly blue but its being framed as though some outbreaks in small rural areas are the main cause for concern. The cities are getting fucking wrecked and they're trying to pin it on small towns
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hungrymike
07/04/20 3:38:13 AM
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EvilMegas posted...
Lol there you go folks the confederates are his version of America's heroes.
If they were only going after confederate statues I would say u have a point. However since Lincoln Grant and hamilton statues, among others, have also been targeted, there is a fault in your logic. It seems U twist president trumps words to fit your pre judged hatred of the man
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EvilMegas
07/04/20 3:54:13 AM
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Oh, sorry, you're right. We all know trump was talking about them instead of the Confederates.


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helIy
07/04/20 4:26:10 AM
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OhhhJa posted...
*Cough cough* Illinois

*Cough cough* CA
*cough cough* florida.

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helIy
07/04/20 4:27:57 AM
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HornedLion posted...




what is this dudes obsession with the pokemon bulbasaur

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MrMelodramatic
07/04/20 10:43:13 AM
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statues of any real person is dumb imo. There should be statues for like, 3 things. Great achievements (monument to eradication of polio), great loss (holocaust or natural disaster), and maybe one for other organisms that arent human (Laika, or like the one of rats being used for science).

Making a monument to any one person or resembling any one person is always going to be bad because people arent perfect. Tear them all down is my stance. Obviously something like the Lincoln memorial is less problematic than confederate statues, but Im up for bringing them both down.

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Entity13
07/04/20 10:49:05 AM
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OhhhJa posted...
Interesting, I wasn't aware LA was red. Or Chicago. Or Austin. Or Miami.

For one thing, note that I said generally. When you say LA, do you mean the city or the county? Because the northeastern corner of the county is red as fuck. Also, something else to account for, which screws with the statistics in general, is how many confirmed cases are patients from out of town, because of overflow, etc., as patients go to places where they can receive care rather than wherever is closest to where they reside. This is happening in WA for example where people from the red regions are coming into the blue for treatment; and you can be sure that people from the Antelope Valley or Lake LA are commuting to downtown LA for help rather than sticking with AV Hospital.

OhhhJa posted...
Or Miami. As a matter of fact, this virus has exploded in major cities which are all overwhelmingly blue but its being framed as though some outbreaks in small rural areas are the main cause for concern. The cities are getting f***ing wrecked and they're trying to pin it on small towns

The initial burst of cases happened in major cities because, wait for it, there is a higher concentration of people, and the virus works that way. The virus still spread to more rural areas, and those areas don't always have the best means of care nor the brightest people in regards to seeking care. This second burst we're seeing is a combination of:

1) Idiot Spring Breakers who crowded the beeches in spite of health hazards (because they're young and thought the virus wouldn't affect them in any way)
2) Rioters, especially when the same police force that they're protesting against gathered them and innocent bystanders together like cattle (causing any attempt at social distancing to go out the window), shot tear gas at them, tore off their masks, maced them, and so on.
3) Trump rally and other gatherings of his supporters who would heckle any critic of their decision not to take proper precautions.
4) People being dumb in general (regardless of political affiliation) as they get too close to one another or refuse to wear masks while public facilities reopen. Though I will say, as someone who works at a grocery store, the people who still stand too close or still go without a mask all tend to talk like someone from the Bible Belt rather than someone who normally lives and works in the blue regions of these heavily populated states. Since my testimony is no better than the inaccurate statistics out there, I won't be making any baseless assumptions about those same people; just that they're more than likely idiots with little to no respect for others.

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captpackrat
07/04/20 10:58:19 AM
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"Far-left fascism"



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MrMelodramatic
07/04/20 10:58:26 AM
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MrMelodramatic posted...
statues of any real person is dumb imo. There should be statues for like, 3 things. Great achievements (monument to eradication of polio), great loss (holocaust or natural disaster), and maybe one for other organisms that arent human (Laika, or like the one of rats being used for science).

Making a monument to any one person or resembling any one person is always going to be bad because people arent perfect. Tear them all down is my stance. Obviously something like the Lincoln memorial is less problematic than confederate statues, but Im up for bringing them both down.
I guess a fourth type of statue I'd be open to is one about some future goal. Like a monument to peace, or ending world hunger. I can see this being problematic in some instances, but I think overall it would probably be okay.

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TheSlinja
07/04/20 11:07:29 AM
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MrMelodramatic posted...
I guess a fourth type of statue I'd be open to is one about some future goal. Like a monument to peace, or ending world hunger. I can see this being problematic in some instances, but I think overall it would probably be okay.
or the only good statues, the giant gundams

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captpackrat
07/04/20 11:07:41 AM
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MrMelodramatic posted...
statues of any real person is dumb imo. There should be statues for like, 3 things. Great achievements (monument to eradication of polio), great loss (holocaust or natural disaster), and maybe one for other organisms that arent human (Laika, or like the one of rats being used for science).


(Staff Sergeant Reckless, one of the most highly decorated war horses in US history)

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captpackrat
07/04/20 11:20:12 AM
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This is what the Six Grandfathers looked like before a Ku Klux Klan member stole land belonging to the Lakota to carve a bunch of white people into a sacred mountain.



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MrMelodramatic
07/04/20 11:28:47 AM
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captpackrat posted...

(Staff Sergeant Reckless, one of the most highly decorated war horses in US history)
This is good. The house didnt choose to be part of a war, or what side to fight for. It didnt even understand what was going on. He was just a good horse who deserves a good horse statue

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Lokarin
07/04/20 11:30:56 AM
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MrMelodramatic posted...
This is good. The house didnt choose to be part of a war, or what side to fight for. It didnt even understand what was going on. He was just a good horse who deserves a good horse statue

maybe the soldiers just need head pats and a good brushing, too; they also had no choice and everyone likes head pats

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HornedLion
07/04/20 12:34:58 PM
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hungrymike posted...
According to this data, it looks like deaths spiked in April and have been going down. So perhaps the spike in cases may be due to increased testing, or maybe more young people getting it (due to one reason or another) Either way it doesn't appear the situation is as dire as the news channels make it out to be.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Its not just immediate death thats the problem. Its long term health issues due to the virus. From fibrosis to even new reports that it may trigger diabetes in some individuals.

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ninja_lootz
07/04/20 1:09:58 PM
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captpackrat posted...
This is what the Six Grandfathers looked like before a Ku Klux Klan member stole land belonging to the Lakota to carve a bunch of white people into a sacred mountain.
Wow, it looks so much better now.

Thanks.

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wolfy42
07/04/20 1:11:31 PM
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Lokarin posted...
maybe the soldiers just need head pats and a good brushing, too; they also had no choice and everyone likes head pats


I have never....ever....gotten even one....head pat:(

And I even used the name wolfy most of my life for gaming!!

AND NO HEAD PATS!!

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OhhhJa
07/04/20 1:22:21 PM
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Entity13 posted...
The initial burst of cases happened in major cities because, wait for it, there is a higher concentration of people,
No shit. And thats why the major cities need to get their shit together. Diverting media attention to bumfuck, nowhere because an outbreak of 40 cases happened is fucking stupid. Sure, let's get it contained everywhere but lets focus on worrying about the places where there are tens of thousands of cases

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beeches
Calls rural people stupid. Misspells beaches lmao. Aren't you an author as well?
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Entity13
07/04/20 1:22:55 PM
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I received a share of them while playing FFXIV, and yet not any other MMO. *shrugs*

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Entity13
07/04/20 1:24:24 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Misspells beaches lmao

Because as we all know, typos never happen, and people don't have lives to where minor things like this hardly matter.

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captpackrat
07/04/20 1:57:39 PM
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PyroBlade1985 posted...
You don't believe leftists can be fascists?
Fascism is by its very definition far-right. "Far-left fascism" is as incongruous as "far-right communism".

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Mead
07/04/20 2:37:43 PM
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PyroBlade1985 posted...
Fascists are intolerance of political opposites, hate free speech and encourage violence. Plenty of people on the left fit that description. ESPECIALLY over the last few weeks.

and obviously very few on the right fit that description

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Mead
07/04/20 2:50:33 PM
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PyroBlade1985 posted...
I'm not afraid to say both sides have bad seeds. But these days I see A LOT more hate from the left.

that tends to happen in an echo chamber

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