Poll of the Day > Are there going to be debates for the 2020 Presidential Election?

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Judgmenl
06/27/20 2:58:55 PM
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Or are we just going to suspend any kind of opportunity for Biden to btfo Trump?

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Horse_ebooks
06/27/20 3:02:28 PM
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The first one is tonight

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Jen0125
06/27/20 3:02:54 PM
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Trump has said he isn't going to do debates this election cycle but we'll see.

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streamofthesky
06/27/20 3:06:00 PM
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Why not?

Can have a debate without a live audience. Those buildings they're hosted in are plenty big enough for Trump, Biden, moderators, and camera/sound crew to social distance.

If it does happen, Biden would probably catch the 'rona from Trump though, cause there's no fucking way he isn't an asymptomatic* carrier of it after all his dumb ignoring of social distancing.

* Because apparently Teflon Don truly is bullet proof and somehow a fat elderly dude who never exercises and refuses to eat healthy never seems to get sick, let alone succumb to the ravages of COVID-19.
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OniRonin
06/27/20 3:07:07 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Trump has said he isn't going to do debates this election cycle but we'll see.
when did he say that?

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Jen0125
06/27/20 3:12:29 PM
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OniRonin posted...
when did he say that?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-threatens-to-skip-debates-with-democratic-nominee-2019-12-16

It looks like he actually hasn't directly said it, I thought he did. But he's opened the door to declining because he's already been saying they're going to be biased. It seems like he's setting it up so he has a basis to decline if he wants to.

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Zeus
06/27/20 3:14:07 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
Can have a debate without a live audience. Those buildings they're hosted in are plenty big enough for Trump, Biden, moderators, and camera/sound crew to social distance.

Pretty much this. Plus the audience doesn't really add anything anyway. (After all, it's a debate, not a town hall.)

streamofthesky posted...
If it does happen, Biden would probably catch the 'rona from Trump though, cause there's no fucking way he isn't an asymptomatic* carrier of it after all his dumb ignoring of social distancing.

* Because apparently Teflon Don truly is bullet proof and somehow a fat elderly dude who never exercises and refuses to eat healthy never seems to get sick, let alone succumb to the ravages of COVID-19.

Either you live in a fantasyland or that hydroxychloroquine or whatever actually works.

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OniRonin
06/27/20 3:16:37 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-threatens-to-skip-debates-with-democratic-nominee-2019-12-16

It looks like he actually hasn't directly said it, I thought he did. But he's opened the door to declining because he's already been saying they're going to be biased. It seems like he's setting it up so he has a basis to decline if he wants to.
to be fair the CPD is clearly a biased institution - e.g. look at the extra criteria they added in 2000 just to keep nader out and favor the two-party duopoly. if i was trump i would be pretty skeptical about them after the microphone malfunctions in his first CPD debate - I doubt it was intentional, but it's totally plausible they were more negligent with preparations for the candidate they saw as a joke

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Jen0125
06/27/20 3:19:25 PM
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OniRonin posted...
to be fair the CPD is clearly a biased institution - e.g. look at the extra criteria they added in 2000 just to keep nader out and favor the two-party duopoly. if i was trump i would be pretty skeptical about them after the microphone malfunctions in his first CPD debate - I doubt it was intentional, but it's totally plausible they were more negligent with preparations for the candidate they saw as a joke

Possibly. I'd hope he participate in at least some debates that aren't hosted by Fox News. But they seem to be falling out of his favor lately too.

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streamofthesky
06/27/20 3:25:58 PM
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OniRonin posted...
to be fair the CPD is clearly a biased institution - e.g. look at the extra criteria they added in 2000 just to keep nader out and favor the two-party duopoly. if i was trump i would be pretty skeptical about them after the microphone malfunctions in his first CPD debate - I doubt it was intentional, but it's totally plausible they were more negligent with preparations for the candidate they saw as a joke
CPD is biased...against 3rd parties. Not Trump.

That's because it's a political organization co-ran by Dems and Reps. They do their best to keep anyone not from those 2 parties out of the debates. Gary Johnson should've made the stage in 2016, but after Ross Perot, CPD increased the requirements to reach the stage to make sure there never would be another Ross Perot.
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Mead
06/27/20 3:27:42 PM
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Theres no way that between now and November trump doesnt try to threaten to just not have the election due to coronavirus concerns but instead just stay in office until republicans have decided that it is safe enough to have democracy again

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streamofthesky
06/27/20 3:34:00 PM
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Theres no way that between now and November trump doesnt try to threaten to just not have the election due to coronavirus concerns but instead just stay in office until republicans have decided that it is safe enough to have democracy again
Of course.
Democrats need to be very proactive about this. The fight for nationwide mail in ballots should've already happened. And I don't just mean propose a bill that'll die in the Senate. Take out ads, urge people in Republican-led areas to contact their reps/Senators to put some actual pressure on them. All but the most insane far-right nut jobs would be very open to "hey, would you like to stand in long lines and touch the same voting machine as thousands of others and risk catching coronavirus?", especially since the core Republican voters are elderly who are the most at risk.

Likewise with debates. Be fucking alpha about it. Call Trump a coward and a cry baby if he tries to avoid the debates. Biden should insist that he's showing up for the debate whether Trump does or not. And if he doesn't, use the debate free tv time to answer questions from viewers and verbally destroy the absent Trump. If Trump throws a tantrum about it? Tough luck butter cup! Show up to the next one and defend yourself, then!
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Judgmenl
06/27/20 3:43:57 PM
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No way any mail-in ballot legislation even makes it to Trump's desk. He will veto anything related to it, even if that veto is deemed unconstitutional (SCOTUS would take time to process said veto case).

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Jen0125
06/27/20 3:50:19 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
No way any mail-in ballot legislation even makes it to Trump's desk. He will veto anything related to it, even if that veto is deemed unconstitutional (SCOTUS would take time to process said veto case).

Isn't mail in voting up to the states? Not the federal government?

I don't even see why people are getting so flustered about mail in voting. I've never voted in person until our last primary because I never got my mail in ballot.

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Judgmenl
06/27/20 3:54:31 PM
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Isn't it the case with any other issue? You could argue that it's the same issue with the legalization of marijuana. Sometimes you need to use a hammer (the federal government) to fix a systemic issue (certain states unwilling to be progressive). I would not be surprised if there are some states that are trying to actively suppress voters so that the 2020 election ends up going the way they legislature wants it to.

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Zeus
06/27/20 3:56:54 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
Of course.

When Mead makes an outrageously stupid remark, you're supposed to say, "lol," not "of course." There's no chance of the scenario actually happening (although Trump could tweet anything) and it's par with the ridiculous fears that GWB and Obama wouldn't leave office peacefully at the end of their terms.

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Zeus
06/27/20 3:59:53 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
Isn't it the case with any other issue? You could argue that it's the same issue with the legalization of marijuana. Sometimes you need to use a hammer (the federal government) to fix a systemic issue (certain states unwilling to be progressive). I would not be surprised if there are some states that are trying to actively suppress voters so that the 2020 election ends up going the way they legislature wants it to.

Considering that marijuana had been legal throughout much of the US's history and had been responsible for immoral behavior, wouldn't the progressive solution be a stronger ban because you'd want to move away from what once was? Or is it just another example of "progressive" being a meaningless buzzword with a contradictory name?

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Judgmenl
06/27/20 4:04:53 PM
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So I posted this because of an Asian American town hall going on here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrVyo0cqqIs

Biden seemed pretty sharp here, but Trump decided not to be apart of the Town Hall, and instead chose a former governor of Guam as a surrogate.
Like what a joke.

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OniRonin
06/27/20 4:28:01 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Possibly. I'd hope he participate in at least some debates that aren't hosted by Fox News. But they seem to be falling out of his favor lately too.
Yeah I mean, I think trump will do whatever he thinks is in his best interest. Given that he's way behind (and therefore needs something to shake up the election) and joe biden regularly shits the bed when he has to talk for 10 minutes straight, I think he'll probably end up pushing for as many debates as possible. Rabble-rousing to see if he can define the terms they take place on is also in his best interest even if he intends to do them

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OniRonin
06/27/20 4:30:20 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
CPD is biased...against 3rd parties. Not Trump.

That's because it's a political organization co-ran by Dems and Reps. They do their best to keep anyone not from those 2 parties out of the debates. Gary Johnson should've made the stage in 2016, but after Ross Perot, CPD increased the requirements to reach the stage to make sure there never would be another Ross Perot.

trump and many of his supporters perceive him as an outsider candidate, even though it doesn't really make sense any more

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Krazy_Kirby
06/27/20 4:33:18 PM
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biden is too senile to debate
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Judgmenl
06/27/20 4:54:43 PM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
biden is too senile to debate
Every time I've I've heard him speak recently, he's sounded perfectly fine to me.

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Zeus
06/27/20 11:17:51 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
Biden seemed pretty sharp here, but Trump decided not to be apart of the Town Hall, and instead chose a former governor of Guam as a surrogate.
Like what a joke.

...you usually don't get both general election candidates doing the same town hall, at least before the first televised debate. However, I should point out that this election season, a lot of incumbents blew off debates with primary challengers including AOC who, as usual, was MIA

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Kyuubi4269
06/28/20 12:18:34 AM
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Zeus posted...
Considering that marijuana had been legal throughout much of the US's history and had been responsible for immoral behavior, wouldn't the progressive solution be a stronger ban because you'd want to move away from what once was?

Actually no, it's progressive to review your opinion and change it back if you were wrong. It's also a regressive stance to try to quash degeneracy as it's just moral posturing, not an objective stance regarding harm.
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Zeus
06/28/20 1:38:47 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Actually no, it's progressive to review your opinion and change it back if you were wrong. It's also a regressive stance to try to quash degeneracy as it's just moral posturing, not an objective stance regarding harm.

So you're okay with the government recognizing that legalizing marijuana is wrong and we can start to make it illegal again? Along with alcohol, which is strongly associated with rape culture and criminal conduct?

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hungrymike
06/28/20 12:07:24 PM
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OniRonin posted...
trump and many of his supporters perceive him as an outsider candidate, even though it doesn't really make sense any more
Because 4 years of presidency is equal to a life time in politics?
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streamofthesky
06/28/20 12:23:29 PM
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Because 4 years of presidency is equal to a life time in politics?
Not only is he the leader of the Republican party.
Not only is he the establishment RNC choice for this year's ballot.
But the RNC outright is blocking primary challengers from having a chance at facing Trump, in a far more blatant and brazen example of favoritism than the DNC ever had for Hillary.

https://www.businessinsider.com/republican-primaries-cancel-sanford-walsh-weld-oped-2019-9

The authors took shot at the state GOP parties in South Carolina, Nevada, Arizona, and Kansas, all plan to cancel the 2020 election's primaries and caucuses. The move would cement Trump's nomination in the states and prevent any Republican from challenging him before the general election.
State Republicans officials have claimed that there are "no legitimate primary" challengers to Trump, and that taxpayers would be footing millions of dollars to pay for "an unnecessary primary."

"Bbb....but Obama!"
Yeah, no one was calling Obama an "outsider" candidate in 2012.

If you think Trump is an "outsider" candidate at this point, you're a fucking moron. The RNC literally canceled primary contests and declared him the winner.
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OniRonin
06/28/20 12:36:49 PM
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hungrymike posted...
Because 4 years of presidency is equal to a life time in politics?
i dont really care to argue this point. it's not key to my position whether or not he is an outsider candidate, simply that he acts as if he perceives himself as one

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