Current Events > Disneyland's Splash Mountain slated to be rethemed to Princess and the Frog

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TopKekBro posted...

its not a binary. Re-skin the animatronics to generic stuff or fucking Mickey Mouse. You dont have to base one of your most iconic rides on your worst movie ever and make it a screen shit show either

They made a Chicken Little ride? You said worst animated movie. Princess and the Frog isn't even one of the ten worst. It was a great movie. You are only hating on it because "change is bad."

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If you think The Princess and the Frog is the worst Disney movie, then you've probably seen less than 10 Disney movies.
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I didnt know that Splash Mountain was racist.

Is that why its so beloved?

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As someone with no real knowledge of Disneyland, what film was it originally based on?

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The_Creep_2020 posted...

As someone with no real knowledge of Disneyland, what film was it originally based on?

An old ass movie that no ones ever seen yet still somehow triggered a bunch of pansies.

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

An old ass movie that no ones ever seen yet still somehow triggered a bunch of pansies.

Congratulations, you managed to fail spectacularly in telling me what the film is.

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Oh, Song of the South. I remember that used to receive high rotation on Saturday evenings in the 1990s

I am surprised it has taken them so long to re-theme it.

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MC_BatCommander posted...

There isn't gonna be any real backlash dude, no one gives a fuck about Song of the South

Internet circles centered around this have been blowing up

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BeyondWalls posted...

Hell no. This ain't Frozen. This Tommy guy was still sending me private messages after the thread closed telling me what a super industry insider he was and how wrong I was. This guy kept going on about how no one thought Splash Mountain was racist and how we should shut up because he was an expert on theme parks and there was no way Disney was willing (or could afford) to change Splash Mountain.

Lol so you're an alt of the TC who got super butt mad and closed the last topic. You're clearly not over the fact that I made you look stupid. Try and get over it eventually.

All of my arguments still stand. This is a highly unprecedented move. Disney made this announcement while they're making cuts left and right to various construction projects.

You clearly have no knowledge of Disney and have just been virtue signaling a ride with no real racist content itself. Most people seem unaware of the Song of the South connection still.

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FortuneCookie posted...

They're only changing it because it was Michael Eisner's brainchild. They already got rid of ExtraTERRORestrial Alien Encounter.

In all honesty though, it's for the best. I'm curious how they'll pull it off, since most of the stuff is built into the structure of the ride itself, but it'll be worth it. It was always a questionable decision to theme a ride after a movie which people don't have access to. I know it was meant to reuse animatronics from America Sings, but it could've been its own original property like America Sings was.

The important part is that now little Black girls can go to Disney World and feel like a princess. Some of you will roll your eyes at that statement, but it can mean a lot to an impressionable child to see herself (or himself) reflected in a positive light.

I'm super for a princess and the frog ride, but not for retheming Splash mountain. I'm just generally against retheming a ride. It seems to only work half the time. It seems much better to design a ride from the ground up than retrofit an existing ride.

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BeyondWalls posted...

@TommyG663513 Hey Tommy, where's all that "insider" knowledge now? Impress us again with your wonderful tales of why Disney will never do this! Should I just start posting Tommy-quotes about how embarrassingly wrong he was?

Here's one...

God damn it must hurt to be that wrong.

You do realize that nothing I said in that quote is incorrect right?

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BeyondWalls posted...

*** B A M *** M O T H E R __________ ***

That was my original thread. Let me go find that thread in the archives so I can start tagging these people who were like "oh Disney is too broke to combat racism in the parks."

It was never said that Disney is too broke. I explained the economics of the situation and that Disney has lots of precedent for their behavior. You have no understanding of what has been said and are clearly just butt mad.

I will repeat. This is a highly unprecedented time and Disney is green lighting this project as they've started to quietly cancel many others.

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BeyondWalls posted...

Damn, @TommyG663513 ... Keep telling us what an industry expert you are. Your quotes are aging SO well.

Again, my points aren't incorrect. Please put more effort into your thinking next time.

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BeyondWalls posted...

Oh yeah, I hated Magic Kingdom. Even as an 11 year old. I was like, "we spent all this money and we could have gone to Carowinds instead?" Magic Kingdom felt like the Grand Canyon in that it was like some place you thought you should visit in order to say you did it.

This post makes me question why you care at all, but it seems like you're into virtue signaling.

If you hate the Magic Kingdom then just stay out of this. Theme parks just aren't for you if you think that little of the Magic Kingdom. It's just an interest/hobby for people to have. No one cares if you don't participate in it.

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creativerealms posted...

The princess and the Frog was an attempt to revive traditional animation and a damned good one. It only failed to do so because the movie underperformed while Tangled was a huge hit. So they continued with the tangled formula. Your hatred of this masterpiece of a film is misguided.

And How is Princess and the Frog Woke?

What is woke? When I think woke I think Men Going Their Own Way, a far right movement. They coined the idea of being awakened to tbe truth of the world.

The princess and the frog was a half asses attempt of a movie made to justify moving away from traditional animation. It suffers from the same lack of soul that dark cauldron did, only with less ugly drawings.

the movie is also very parochial. You can enjoy the lion king without being an animal, and you can enjoy aladdin without being from the region this story was set. The princess and the frog is very, very New Orleans. Imagine a ride based on Boston wheres my caahhhr culture or NY fuddgetaboutit culture. Its too parochial.

Last but not least, look at universal studios previous Jurassic park attraction (practical effects, animatronics) and the new one (staring at two big ass screens). Theme parks are going overboard with the screens now because its cheaper. Disney is not immune to this, look at the improvements made at the haunted house, all the new stuff is all screens and holograms because its cheap: why should I be happy to see a NOLA cartoon frog in a screen instead of animatronics and practical effects.

just put Mickey Mouse and friends skins over the animatronics and call it a day

It is funny how many people are complaining about this. Most of them have never seen Song of the South. They just no it is racist so they are defending it.

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Disney did a mistake on tethering its ride to song of the south. Not only because its song of the south (issue # 1) but because it tethered it to a movie to begin with.

disneyland attractions age best when theyre generic. Its space mountain, not John Carters ride. It was alien encounter, not stitchs teleport adventure (then that changed and look how well that worked). Its the Matterhorn, not Olafs flying leaf adventure. Its the haunted house, not the hocus pocus adventure.

they should make it a generic ride that can stand the test of time.

cjsdowg posted...

It is funny how many people are complaining about this. Most of them have never seen Song of the South. They just no it is racist so they are defending it.

Is anyone itt actually saying the ride should stay themed as song of the south?

FortuneCookie posted...

and the film never received a home video release in the US. Yet the ride curiously acts as if guests should be familiar with the tale of Br'er Rabbit running from and outsmarting his foils Br'er Fox and Br'er Bear.

Like I said in the Petition Thread, several of us owned the Br'er Fox record books in the 70s and 80s. Song of the South wasn't out there. But the cartoon part and Zippy Doo Dah definitely was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDq0YH-HDhg

^ Jesus Christ, that opening has not aged well, to put it mildly.

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FortuneCookie posted...

Br'er Rabbit is caught in a noose set by Br'er Fox,

Good lord. I forgot about that. Reminder that it took until 2020 for Disney to decide this ride was problematic.

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The_Creep_2020 posted...

Oh, Song of the South. I remember that used to receive high rotation on Saturday evenings in the 1990s

@The_Creep_2020 Uh.... what? Where did you grow up? Iraq? Where was Song of the South playing every Saturday night in the 90s?

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TopKekBro posted...

Is anyone itt actually saying the ride should stay themed as song of the south?

Yep, Tommy was. For an entire thread that has since purged. Then he implied the rest of us were idiots for believing Disney would ever change the ride and proceeded to let us all know what a theme park expert he is. I mean, god damn Tommy. Disney slapped the taste outta your mouth so hard that I'm surprised you can still think about Disneyland without bursting into tears.

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BeyondWalls posted...

Yep, Tommy was. For an entire thread that has since purged. Then he implied the rest of us were idiots for believing Disney would ever change the ride and proceeded to let us all know what a theme park expert he is. I mean, god damn Tommy. Disney slapped the taste outta your mouth so hard that I'm surprised you can still think about Disneyland without bursting into tears.

Well fuck tommy then

Again: Reminder that it was 2020 before Disney realized this might be problematic. And that's giving them the benefit of the doubt. Cause it seems like they knew, they just didn't care.

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BeyondWalls posted...

@The_Creep_2020 Uh.... what? Where did you grow up? Iraq? Where was Song of the South playing every Saturday night in the 90s?

Every Saturday night may be an exaggeration, but it was on often enough to become familiar.

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Disney: We're finally gonna change this racist crap.

Also Disney: If you don't return to work at Disney World in Florida where cases are spiking hard, you will be considered terminated.

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I like Princess and the Frog and Splash Mountain is due for an update even if you ignore the issues with the work it was based on. They can't just keep rides completely unchanged for that long if it's meant to appeal to kids. Kids can't even see the movie it was based on currently anyway.

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BeyondWalls posted...

That looks like DeviantArt, not Disney.

<_<

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FortuneCookie posted...

That looks like DeviantArt, not Disney.

Nope. It's Disney. The real Disney. The Disney that's fine with just trimming out the "racist bits" and letting the money continue to flow in. Reminder that the original ride had an actual Tar Baby too, but Disney removed that bit and was like, "oh, it's fine now." That's what Disney kept trying to do ever since Song of the South debuted. They kept trying to remove pieces until people thought it was "fine." It's taken this long to finally convince Disney that they shouldn't be trying to salvage this train wreck.




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I know it's real. I'm just saying that a happy bondage bunny with his big bunny bum sticking out looks like something off a furry art page rather than an out-of-context Disney screencap. I wouldn't call the noose racist in context though. It is how one catches a rabbit.




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TopKekBro posted...

Disney did a mistake on tethering its ride to song of the south. Not only because its song of the south (issue # 1) but because it tethered it to a movie to begin with.

disneyland attractions age best when theyre generic. Its space mountain, not John Carters ride. It was alien encounter, not stitchs teleport adventure (then that changed and look how well that worked). Its the Matterhorn, not Olafs flying leaf adventure. Its the haunted house, not the hocus pocus adventure.

they should make it a generic ride that can stand the test of time.

Unfortunately Disney has shown no interest in creating attractions that aren't based on a well established IP. Just another symptoms of the times.

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BeyondWalls posted...

Yep, Tommy was. For an entire thread that has since purged. Then he implied the rest of us were idiots for believing Disney would ever change the ride and proceeded to let us all know what a theme park expert he is. I mean, god damn Tommy. Disney slapped the taste outta your mouth so hard that I'm surprised you can still think about Disneyland without bursting into tears.

Like you're not even trying to be subtle or remotely accurate about what was said.

It didn't look like the topic got purged. It looked like you closed the topic on your own. You had a huge meltdown post and then the topic was magically closed. Just lol.

The ride is very Loosely based on Song of the South. It is based on the Br'er characters as they were depicted in the film Song of the South. The Br'er characters themselves were originally created in African folklore.

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TopKekBro posted...

Well fuck tommy then

Maybe you shouldn't take the word of a man who has been having huge meltdowns in every topic about this. You can clearly see what he is doing by seeing extreme racism with every aspect of these characters. It lacks nuance.

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Disney+ offers so much flexibility to create media besides movies now, I wish they could have done some shorts with these characters and give them new life while keeping modern sensitivities. But the publicity would be awful, the argument would have been that they're trying to promote the source material rather than apologize for it.

They seem to be keeping the Tokyo ride unchanged, so there's that.

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TommyG663513 posted...

It didn't look like the topic got purged. It looked like you closed the topic on your own. You had a huge meltdown post and then the topic was magically closed.

Nobody had a meltdown. The online petition was closed because of racist comments. The owner of the petition was spending all day trying to edit out all the vile racist comments. He couldn't keep up so he closed the petition. I closed the thread when the owner closed the petition.

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TommyG663513 posted...

The Br'er characters themselves were originally created in African folklore.

That's a gross misinterpretation. Song of the Song was based on the Uncle Remus stories. Joel Chandler Harris (a white guy) took a bunch of African folklore, wrote it up in "negro speech" (his words), and published the stories 20 years after the Civil War ended, describing a "magical negro" (Spike Lee's words) who was pinning for the good 'ole days of slavery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro

That's what you're defending here Tommy as being "not that bad."


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BeyondWalls posted...

Nobody had a meltdown. The online petition was closed because of racist comments. The owner of the petition was spending all day trying to edit out all the vile racist comments. He couldn't keep up so he closed the petition. I closed the thread when the owner closed the petition.

You clearly had a big meltdown post and then you closed the topic. You clearly haven't stopped with your meltdown throughout this entire topic.

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Its hilariously coincidental that this news came out just days after I made this in RCT lmao

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Come on, Tommy. You know nobody believes that, right? The thread is archived. Anyone can read it. Nobody has to take my word. In the very last post I mention how the petition is closed and so I was going to close the thread too.

Tommy, we all know you're trying to distract from the fact that you claimed you had all this insider knowledge and then looked completely foolish when a few days later Disney did exactly what you swore would never happen. Now you're here actually defending a racist cartoon trying to save face. What are you doing, bro?

Are you really going to die on the hill that is this racist movie? Just admit you were wrong. I mean, you're literally in this thread like, "that rabbit getting strung up by a noose isn't that racist." Like holy shit, bro. Take a look at what you're doing here.

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Monolith1676 posted...

This won't matter since Disneyland won't be reopening.

Imagine believing this

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BeyondWalls posted...

Come on, Tommy. You know nobody believes that, right? The thread is archived. Anyone can read it. Nobody has to take my word. In the very last post I mention how the petition is closed and so I was going to close the thread too.

Tommy, we all know you're trying to distract from the fact that you claimed you had all this insider knowledge and then looked completely foolish when a few days later Disney did exactly what you swore would never happen. Now you're here actually defending a racist cartoon trying to save face. What are you doing, bro?

Are you really going to die on the hill that is this racist movie? Just admit you were wrong. I mean, you're literally in this thread like, "that rabbit getting strung up by a noose isn't that racist." Like holy shit, bro. Take a look at what you're doing here.

I never claimed I had insider knowledge. That is a straight up lie. You're just straight trolling with comments like that.

I claimed I've been following the parks for well over a decade and can speak to precedence and the type of thinking that tends to go into their decision making. I never said it will never happen. I highlighted all the reasons why it probably won't happen.

This announcement is very much against all odds. Internet circles surrounding the parks are very shocked by this news. Go ahead and look up any basic theme park forum and this is too news everywhere.

You aren't even attempting to have anything close to a good faith conversation.

I spent a lot of time correcting bad information you provided in the last topic. I've made it very clear that I understand the history of the theme parks much better than you. Theme parks clearly aren't a big part of your life like they are mine which is totally fine. Just don't act like you have any real knowledge to co tribute here.

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BeyondWalls posted...

That's a gross misinterpretation. Song of the Song was based on the Uncle Remus stories. Joel Chandler Harris (a white guy) took a bunch of African folklore, wrote it up in "negro speech" (his words), and published the stories 20 years after the Civil War ended, describing a "magical negro" (Spike Lee's words) who was pinning for the good 'ole days of slavery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro

That's what you're defending here Tommy as being "not that bad."

Um, nothing I said was factually inaccurate. Doesn't even qualify as a misrepresentation. I said what they were originally based on and that the current version is a Disney adaptation. The ride itself is very Loosely based on the Disney adaptation of those characters.

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TommyG663513 posted...

Maybe you shouldn't take the word of a man who has been having huge meltdowns in every topic about this. You can clearly see what he is doing by seeing extreme racism with every aspect of these characters. It lacks nuance.

Fair enough

Goddamn, what isnt racist?

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BlingBling22947 posted...

Goddamn, what isnt racist?

Princess and the Frog

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There's definitely more to those characters than being from Song of the South. I remember the rabbit, fox and bear being pretty regular fixtures in Donald Duck comic magazine back when I read that as a kid. They got into all sorts of hijinks.