Poll of the Day > I just watched the first 10 mins of Star Wars.... wat

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FrozenBananas
06/29/20 4:10:09 PM
#103:


Extreme_light posted...
That isn't really that much of a plot twist considering it's everywhere.

well TC was pretty surprised to find out. Somehow he managed to avoid the biggest movie spoiler of all time lol

that being said, if he had watched it chronologically with 4-6 first, he would have just been left confused by the twist reveal.

Most people in 1980 were left in complete confusion when they first saw Empire, because they didnt exactly know what it meant.

it wasnt until the third movie, and then the prequels, that things were much more explained and understood.

theres a video on YouTube of opening night for Empire in 1980 and theyre interviewing people walking out of the theater, and everyone is confused

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GanonsSpirit
06/29/20 6:21:55 PM
#104:


FrozenBananas posted...
theres a video on YouTube of opening night for Empire in 1980 and theyre interviewing people walking out of the theater, and everyone is confused

Link? Because I wasn't confused when I saw the movie as a child.
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DrYuya
06/29/20 7:19:34 PM
#105:


GanonsSpirit posted...
Link? Because I wasn't confused when I saw the movie as a child.

Even if...a single theater with some people walking out isnt much of a sample.

The movie wasnt confusing...hasnt ever been considered so in any mainstream way. Simple as that. Doesnt need and shouldnt have prequels first in any way.

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FrozenBananas
06/29/20 7:41:24 PM
#106:


GanonsSpirit posted...
Link? Because I wasn't confused when I saw the movie as a child.

https://youtu.be/2Id_0fMKZOA

just saying, this was an early sneak peak. And back then, they didnt even have the VHS at home yet so not even could grasp the entire lore yet (which Im guessing is why people kept going back to see them in theaters). A lot of Darth Vader was still shrouded in mystery.

when James Earl Jones first read the script, at the I am your father scene, he thought Vader was lying, as if he was just saying anything to bring Luke to the dark side. And I wouldnt be surprised if a lot of people thought this because the ending was so mysteriously foggy

EMPIRE STRIKES BACK SPOILERS

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ1mmkKb_BQ

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Nichtcrawler X
06/29/20 7:47:01 PM
#107:


Revelation34 posted...


There are plenty of people who live in deserts and don't age that much.

And? All I am arguing is an explanation that is possible.

Between the possibilities (and combinations) of stress, genetics, diet and activity, visibly ageing more than 20 years in 20 years time is definitely possible.
Never mind " visible age" not being an exact science. All in all, enough to leave my suspense of disbelief intact.

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GanonsSpirit
06/29/20 7:48:07 PM
#108:


One person said he was confused, that's it. There's nothing at all confusing about that scene.
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Revelation34
06/29/20 8:28:11 PM
#109:


FrozenBananas posted...


https://youtu.be/2Id_0fMKZOA

just saying, this was an early sneak peak. And back then, they didnt even have the VHS at home yet so not even could grasp the entire lore yet (which Im guessing is why people kept going back to see them in theaters). A lot of Darth Vader was still shrouded in mystery.

when James Earl Jones first read the script, at the I am your father scene, he thought Vader was lying, as if he was just saying anything to bring Luke to the dark side. And I wouldnt be surprised if a lot of people thought this because the ending was so mysteriously foggy

EMPIRE STRIKES BACK SPOILERS

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ1mmkKb_BQ


How is anybody going to get confused by a statement of fact?

Nichtcrawler X posted...


And? All I am arguing is an explanation that is possible.

Between the possibilities (and combinations) of stress, genetics, diet and activity, visibly ageing more than 20 years in 20 years time is definitely possible.
Never mind " visible age" not being an exact science. All in all, enough to leave my suspense of disbelief intact.


There is no possibility. It was just a retcon since they needed a younger actor.
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FrozenBananas
06/29/20 8:36:23 PM
#110:


Revelation34 posted...
How is anybody going to get confused by a statement of fact?

because it wasnt fact back then. It literally happens at the end of the movie and nobody knew what to believe. How is this so fucking hard to understand?

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Revelation34
06/29/20 8:37:53 PM
#111:


FrozenBananas posted...


because it wasnt fact back then. It literally happens at the end of the movie and nobody knew what to believe. How is this so fucking hard to understand?


Yeah somebody saying I am your father is very confusing.
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GanonsSpirit
06/29/20 10:19:06 PM
#112:


FrozenBananas posted...
It literally happens at the end of the movie and nobody knew what to believe.

Not knowing what to believe =/= Confusing
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FrozenBananas
06/29/20 10:21:22 PM
#113:


GanonsSpirit posted...
Not knowing what to believe =/= Confusing

what

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Zeus
06/30/20 6:11:38 AM
#114:


GanonsSpirit posted...
Not knowing what to believe =/= Confusing

This, more or less. Honestly, the franchise might have done the twist a disservice by spelling it out in RotJ instead of leaving some ambiguity.

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Revelation34
06/30/20 5:13:55 PM
#115:


Zeus posted...


This, more or less. Honestly, the franchise might have done the twist a disservice by spelling it out in RotJ instead of leaving some ambiguity.


It was already spelled out in Empire.
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pedro45
06/30/20 8:11:49 PM
#116:


I don't think the twist was planned completely from the beginning. When you read the original book with the knowledge of the series, it's kinda creepy how it all plays out with everyone digging on Leia.

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Zeus
06/30/20 8:30:46 PM
#117:


pedro45 posted...
When you read the original book with the knowledge of the series,

You mean the script? Because it wasn't a book first. And I've always suspected that they revealed them to be siblings to justify the hero not getting the girl

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Justin2Krelian
06/30/20 9:42:37 PM
#118:


FrozenBananas posted...
https://youtu.be/2Id_0fMKZOA

just saying, this was an early sneak peak. And back then, they didnt even have the VHS at home yet so not even could grasp the entire lore yet (which Im guessing is why people kept going back to see them in theaters). A lot of Darth Vader was still shrouded in mystery.

when James Earl Jones first read the script, at the I am your father scene, he thought Vader was lying, as if he was just saying anything to bring Luke to the dark side. And I wouldnt be surprised if a lot of people thought this because the ending was so mysteriously foggy

EMPIRE STRIKES BACK SPOILERS

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ1mmkKb_BQ

I like how he keeps calling the movie "The Empire"


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pedro45
07/01/20 9:19:05 AM
#119:


Zeus posted...
You mean the script? Because it wasn't a book first. And I've always suspected that they revealed them to be siblings to justify the hero not getting the girl

It was a book first. Production wise, the movie may have been started, but the book came out before the movies. It was by months, so not like by years or anything.

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Nichtcrawler X
07/01/20 11:40:40 AM
#120:


Revelation34 posted...
It was already spelled out in Empire.

Uhm, not really? By that point two statements had been made about Luke's father, which are framed as mutually exclusive. Luke's father is death and Luke's father is Vader (and alive), up to that point, Luke and the viewer have no reason to assume Obi was lying.

Jones his original response makes sense, but the second statement does cause doubt, which Jedi resolved.

Then again, my mom would say it was always obvious. In Dutch subtitles, Darth Vader remained Darth Vader, but she always assumed the Vader part was a translation, meaning she always referred to him as "Darth Father".

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Revelation34
07/01/20 4:57:00 PM
#121:


Nichtcrawler X posted...
Jones his original response makes sense, but the second statement does cause doubt, which Jedi resolved.


Except that he also said "Luke I am your father" in that interview so it shouldn't be taken seriously.
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TigerTycoon
07/01/20 4:57:59 PM
#122:


Don't forget to watch the Star Wars Christmas Special.
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Zeus
07/02/20 5:19:12 PM
#123:


TigerTycoon posted...
Don't forget to watch the Star Wars Christmas Special.

Who could forget the holiday Life Day?

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FatalAccident
07/03/20 1:39:10 AM
#124:


TigerTycoon posted...
Don't forget to watch the Star Wars Christmas Special.
Is this really a thing

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Zeus
07/03/20 3:28:28 AM
#125:


FatalAccident posted...
Is this really a thing

George Lucas has tried his darnest to not make it a thing. I think it's only piece of SW anything that hasn't been re-released or remastered >_>

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GanonsSpirit
07/03/20 10:24:58 PM
#126:


FatalAccident posted...

Is this really a thing

Yeah, and it's on Youtube.
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