Poll of the Day > Police Officers shoot at a running black man that has a Taser.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Like throwing wood into a burning fire.

The man's dead btw.

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standard police procedure

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Drop some fucking links, dude.

https://gbi.georgia.gov/press-releases/2020-06-13/gbi-investigates-officer-involved-shooting-atlanta
https://www.ajc.com/news/local-education/atlanta-protests-live-updates-from-response-rayshard-brooks-shooting/3a2YSQAMCN1pf62nQa2K2O/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-s-death-after-police-shooting-outside-wendy-s-atlanta-n1231006
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/13/us/atlanta-police-shooting-rayshard-brooks.html

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Start arresting these idiots so theyre coworkers learn some damn proportional response techniques

deadly force should only be used in life or death scenarios

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"Why are you guys even protesting?"

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Can we please fucking raise the bar for becoming a police officer and actually fucking hold them accountable? Is that seriously too much to ask?

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What I find most bizarre about the situation is that the Police have the man's car. There's no reason for them to shoot if he's running away. Where the hell is he going to go? And even then you can get all of the information that you need with just the car (because you track the registration or w/e).

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Judgmenl posted...

What I find most bizarre about the situation is that the Police have the man's car. There's no reason for them to shoot if he's running away. Where the hell is he going to go? And even then you can get all of the information that you need with just the car (because you track the registration or w/e).

You're acting like police officers need a reason to shoot someone.

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The_tall_midget posted...

You're acting like police officers need a reason to shoot someone.

They do in every other country, even Saudi Arabia

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papercup posted...

Can we please fucking raise the bar for becoming a police officer and actually fucking hold them accountable? Is that seriously too much to ask?

Let me ask the police union...

They said no, sorry.
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Police Union says burrrr

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Lokarin posted...

They do in every other country, even Saudi Arabia

Saudi Arabia has higher standards of policing lol
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Lokarin posted...

They do in every other country, even Saudi Arabia

This is AMERICA!!!
USA USA USA

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VeeVees posted...

standard police procedure

Unless I am misreading something, the title implies the man had an electroshock weapon? That tend to look like actual guns?

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Unless I am misreading something, the title implies the man had an electroshock weapon? That tend to look like actual guns?

it was literally a taser he took from one of the officers

now it may be possible that one of the other cops didnt realize that and mistakenly thought it was a gun, we gotta wait for me details I think

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Mead posted...

it was literally a taser he took from one of the officers

now it may be possible that one of the other cops didnt realize that and mistakenly thought it was a gun, we gotta wait for me details I think

What details? Most likely that first line, stealing a weapon from a cop, already paints a very clear picture.

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

What details? Most likely that first line, stealing a weapon from a cop, already paints a very clear picture.

the details of what actually happened

some of us actually care about that and not just painting a picture

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Mead posted...

the details of what actually happened

some of us actually care about that and not just painting a picture

So now the details matter when the initial picture isn't convenient, cool.
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The details always matter.

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The details are usually just lies the police come up with three days later to make themselves look better

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I mean at least they have a solid answer when someone asks why they didn't just taser him this time (or at least one of em does).

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Mead posted...

The details always matter.

That explains your reaction without details regarding the redneck ex-cop
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

That explains your reaction without details regarding the redneck ex-cop

My god. The details confirmed everything we said. I cannot believe that you are still bringing up something you were completely wrong about lol

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Video on the news dude was asleep in the drive through they show up he fails sobriety test fights officers steals taser starts running but turns back around to point tasers at officers.

Difficult to understand or defend dudes actions. Taser does qualify as a weapon.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Taser does qualify as a weapon.

not a deadly one though

now if an officer claims they thought he had grabbed a gun then its another story entirely

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Mead posted...

not a deadly one though

now if an officer claims they thought he had grabbed a gun then its another story entirely

This is one of those scenarios where I just throw my hands up in the air, it's hard for me to see it justifying his death but it is a weapon intended to incapacitate people. I would be more sympathetic if the dude hadn't had such outrageous behavior.

Mead posted...

not a deadly one though

now if an officer claims they thought he had grabbed a gun then its another story entirely

I mean couldn't the other one have tased him?

Or they could pepper spray him, I'm pretty sure cops have that.

I agree that with the potential fast paced nature if it really seemed like it was a gun then it's a little different. Some of the images that come up do kinda look like guns.

I don't think this is an open and shut case, but it's hard to know if the information that comes out is what happened or some CYA at work.

It's not quite the same as a lot of the cases though if he did take one of their tasers. Although I question how he'd manage that without them noticing...

Fuck that guy.

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ChaosAzeroth posted...

It's not quite the same as a lot of the cases though if he did take one of their tasers. Although I question how he'd manage that without them noticing...

The guy was intoxicated, he was physically fighting the officers and successfully took the weapon from one before running.

BlackScythe0 posted...

The guy was intoxicated, he was physically fighting the officers and successfully took the weapon from one before running.

I'm not saying that force wouldn't be necessary/warranted. In fact part of the point of the above quoted was that this case isn't the same as police killing unarmed/cooperative suspects.

Iirc someone implied the taser was stealth taken (or I misunderstood a post) and was wondering how that could even happen.

ChaosAzeroth posted...

I'm not saying that force wouldn't be necessary/warranted. In fact part of the point of the above quoted was that this case isn't the same as police killing unarmed/cooperative suspects.

Iirc someone implied the taser was stealth taken (or I misunderstood a post) and was wondering how that could even happen.

Nope dude was fighting both officers when one drew the taser and guy wrestled it out of his hands broke free of the officers and ran a short distance before turning to point it at the officers.

I can't blame the officers for this.

ChaosAzeroth posted...

I mean couldn't the other one have tased him?

Or they could pepper spray him, I'm pretty sure cops have that.

I agree that with the potential fast paced nature if it really seemed like it was a gun then it's a little different. Some of the images that come up do kinda look like guns.

I don't think this is an open and shut case, but it's hard to know if the information that comes out is what happened or some CYA at work.

It's not quite the same as a lot of the cases though if he did take one of their tasers. Although I question how he'd manage that without them noticing...

From looking at the phone footage it does look like the other cop did try to taser him but missed, at that point his back was towards the cops so pepper spray wouldn't have worked, and there was a bit of distance between them so it wouldn't have been as effective if at all with the likelihood is that the officers during the pursuit would've been the ones that would've been caught by the spray, not him. A few seconds later (looking at cctv footage) he turned and aimed the taser at the closest officer, it's then he was shot.

Whether people like it or not this is a justified shooting.

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Runner_style posted...

Whether people like it or not this is a justified shooting.

Only in America would someone say this. He had a non-lethal weapon. They can still subdue him without killing him.

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Jen0125 posted...

Only in America would someone say this. He had a non-lethal weapon. They can still subdue him without killing him.

That is a really tough argument to see someone try and make with how dude was behaving.

EvilMegas posted...

My god. The details confirmed everything we said. I cannot believe that you are still bringing up something you were completely wrong about lol

He thinks that if he constantly brings it up and acts like he was right, we'll eventually forget how he got utterly destroyed in that topic and was wrong on literally everything, and the new memory of him crowing about "that time in the past I was right" will supplant the memory of actual events in our minds.

It's pathetic, and while I know the mods here are pretty damn permissive, he really should just be banned at this point. When has he EVER made a positive contribution to any topic?

Jen0125 posted...

Only in America would someone say this. He had a non-lethal weapon. They can still subdue him without killing him.

Outside the US we do not really classify electroshock weapons as non-lethal. We would say he took a gun-like weapon from an officer. That does not mean they should shoot to kill, but it is understandable if it happens in that situation.

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Outside the US we do not really classify electroshock weapons as non-lethal. We would say he took a gun-like weapon from an officer. That does not mean they should shoot to kill, but it is understandable if it happens in that situation.

That'd be a fair assessment, that tasers aren't really "non-lethal" weapons and thus having one makes him dangerous...

...If it weren't for all the instances of cops in the U.S. using them like they're as harmless as a water gun, tasing people just for funsies even when they're already restrained.
Acting like that, then feigning fear over someone having one is pretty damn hypocritical.

He was parked in a Wendy drive thru, cars were having to go around him.

Police were called by Wendy's to take a look at him and see what was up. They wake him up, he was passed out in the car. He was tested and failed a breathalyzer, he was drunk.

They were going to arrest him and HE RESISTED(see this part right is where it went wrong, that was on HIM, not the cops) and fought with the cops. Took the cops taser. Ran from the cops turned to fire it at the cops and the cop shot him.

This would have easily been avoided had he no resisted arrest. How many people are arrested for DUI a year? How many are without incident? How many end with someone dead? Wanna bet those few cases where they end up dead it's 99% because the person being arrested resisted and lead to their own death?

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Decoy77 posted...

Had he tazed the cop he could have then taken his gun, now you'd have a drunk, angry, violent, on the run criminal with a cops gun going to do who knows what. So yes the cop had to act and did.

I hadnt really thought of it that way. Im not sure if youre right but I do think youre making a fair point here.

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If all of this is true, this isnt the cops fault at all. Except for losing their weapon.

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"This could easily have been avoided" is missing the point. It doesn't justify the police's behaviour in this specific incident. All that matters is whether lethal force is warranted. In the US, where there are significantly fewer restrictions on the use of force, I suspect this is considered justified (and even if it wasn't, lol). In a lot of other countries this would be considered grounds to have the officer fired or charged (though whether that would actually happen is again, lol). But trying to flip this back on the guy who was shot is disingenuous and it happens all the time in these kinds of cases ("if he hadn't pulled out his wallet so quickly he would have been fine", etc.).

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Blightzkrieg posted...

"This could easily have been avoided" is missing the point. It doesn't justify the police's behaviour in this specific incident. All that matters is whether lethal force is warranted. In the US, where there are significantly fewer restrictions on the use of force, I suspect this is considered justified (and even if it wasn't, lol). In a lot of other countries this would be considered grounds to have the officer fired or charged (though whether that would actually happen is again, lol). But trying to flip this back on the guy who was shot is disingenuous and it happens all the time in these kinds of cases ("if he hadn't pulled out his wallet so quickly he would have been fine", etc.).

I don't even see how it could have been avoided. Dude was intoxicated, with something, blocking a drive through police had to interact with him where he chose to be belligerent and was capable of fighting off two officers who were using proper escalation of force, from what I saw.

This all happened each step of the way due to actions the dead man made, at no point was I able to witness an improper action or escalation on the behalf of the officers. I'm simply unable to find any blame with the officers here.

EvilMegas posted...

My god. The details confirmed everything we said. I cannot believe that you are still bringing up something you were completely wrong about lol

Firstly, I wasn't wrong, I offered potential outs prior to any evidence coming to light.

Secondly, what you said wasn't based on evidence, you didn't care about the details and just wanted to paint a picture from your biases but that was fine with you because it was you.
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Jen0125 posted...

Only in America would someone say this. He had a non-lethal weapon. They can still subdue him without killing him.

I'm looking at this from a different perspective to some others I suppose. If we assume everything leading up to the altercation is true with him blocking the drive thru with his car while he's drunk asleep inside of it, the police had not choice but to intervene. He not only failed roadside sobriety test, he resisted arrest and successfully fought off two police officers then stealing one of a taser in the process.

As I mentioned in my previous post they couldn't really use pepper spray in that situation due to the distance between them, the only ones that would feel the sprays effect would've been the officers, not him. The other officer fired his taser but missed it's at this point he turns around and tries to shoot one of the officers with the taser that he took from them and is shot down.

If you take into consideration the earliest events that occurred further non lethal take downs are out of the question. If he successfully shot one of the officers with the taser, without lethal force it'd become a one on one struggle (something which the cops lost when it was two on one) leaving the officers with the only choice to use lethal force.

It's unfortunate, but even with hindsight there's little they could've changed to alter the situation.

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Firstly, I wasn't wrong, I offered potential outs prior to any evidence coming to light.

Secondly, what you said wasn't based on evidence, you didn't care about the details and just wanted to paint a picture from your biases but that was fine with you because it was you.

"I wasn't wrong, I was just wrong"

"Secondly. You weren't right, you just had facts back up your claims "

Holy ducks you are delusional and it's so delicious.

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Jen0125 posted...

He had a non-lethal weapon.

"Tasers, also known as stun guns, can cause sudden cardiac arrest and death, researchers from Indiana University School of Medicine reported in the journal Circulation."
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/244968
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Blaqthourne posted...

"Tasers, also known as stun guns, can cause sudden cardiac arrest and death, researchers from Indiana University School of Medicine reported in the journal Circulation."
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/244968

And yet the cops use them freely, even on people who aren't really a threat at all.
So if they try and claim it's a deadly weapon, their hypocritical asses can fuck right off, even if it is.

Thinking about it, what would you guys think to police trial running rubber bullets on the beat instead of just for the likes of protests and riots?


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There was no reason for people to burn down the Wendys where this happened either. They didnt do anything wrong so why punish Wendys?

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