Current Events > serious question: can gender be synonymous with personality?

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ThisGuyAreSick
06/09/20 9:24:58 AM
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i feel like it would be much easier to explain to people what you're identifying as if people treated it as a personality trait and not a sexuality trait. like gender is a giant spectrum. there's so much nuance that goes into where someone would lay on it that if you really think about it it all boils down to how you feel personally and how you would conform to societal roles

and then we wouldn't have the conservatives and idiots going "BUT YOU HAVE A PENIS/VAGINA". like we just come up with a more PC way to express what genitals we're packing

idk how this solves the bathroom issue not that that matters but i'm all for simplifying everything to create less negative dissent

i don't get a vote tho when it comes down to it
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Squall28
06/09/20 9:27:08 AM
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Gender is a meaningless word.

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nemu
06/09/20 9:30:11 AM
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The main issue is that gender correlates to sex way more than it doesn't, so trying to completely separate it just confuses people. While there are a number of ascribed traits that we've culturally given each gender, most of them are natural. We just need to foster a society that doesn't oppress people who don't follow the norm rather than all this unnecessary redefining.
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ThisGuyAreSick
06/09/20 9:32:27 AM
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but if you think about sex we choose to have sex with people we're physically attracted to and a lot of times feel a connection to, correct? and a lot of that has to do with someone's personality.

we say we want in an ideal partner someone who acts like this, someone who talks like this, etc. doesn't a lot of that shit run parallel to gender identity?

why can't we just try to understand that when it boils down to it, this is all we really mean.
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Pus_N_Pecans
06/09/20 9:43:28 AM
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I suppose it CAN, and I do think that my personality aligns with the way I present myself, but to me, gender presentation is much more about how I'd like others to treat me. I personally think gender roles are entirely outdated, but society as a whole DOES treat men and women differently. There isn't a simple fix to any of this, but if people would just show each other a little more respect in regard to identity, and let trans or non binary people live their lives without being questioned or harassed, there'd be a lot less pressure on everyone else to put up this dumb faade of compliance to social norms, and we'd be a happier species altogether.

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ThisGuyAreSick
06/09/20 9:47:41 AM
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i think the confusion also stems from it being outside the range of cisman, ciswoman, transman, transwoman, and gender fluid

like if it was just those 5 there wouldn't even be as much of an issue when it comes to understanding it. a toddler could even make that distinction.

i'm not an expert but i feel like having more than those 5 over-complicates things
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Pus_N_Pecans
06/09/20 9:54:45 AM
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ThisGuyAreSick posted...
i think the confusion also stems from it being outside the range of cisman, ciswoman, transman, transwoman, and gender fluid

like if it was just those 5 there wouldn't even be as much of an issue when it comes to understanding it. a toddler could even make that distinction.

i'm not an expert but i feel like having more than those 5 over-complicates things
Nearly everyone does fall under those 5 categories though, and you could always just ask to learn more if a person does identify in some other way. If you're genuinely curious and your intentions are pure, I don't see why they'd have a problem with sharing some of that with you.

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ThisGuyAreSick
06/09/20 10:02:18 AM
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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

Nearly everyone does fall under those 5 categories though, and you could always just ask to learn more if a person does identify in some other way. If you're genuinely curious and your intentions are pure, I don't see why they'd have a problem with sharing some of that with you.


yeah for me that's not the issue. i will understand that completely if i ask but generally i like to respect whatever someone wants me to treat them without me being inquisitive about it

i'm talking more in line in getting people that lack the mental fortitude or the empathy to actually understand what the deal is. it would theoretically make it easier for everyone to get along
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Pus_N_Pecans
06/09/20 10:11:40 AM
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ThisGuyAreSick posted...
i'm talking more in line in getting people that lack the mental fortitude or the empathy to actually understand what the deal is. it would theoretically make it easier for everyone to get along
I think for most people it's a lack of education on the subject, or that their perceived lack of exposure to trans/non binary people to them means that there aren't many out there. I do think there's progress being made right now, but it's very slow; as we chip away at the concepts of what makes a man a "man" and what makes a woman a "woman", I think things will start to get better. No one should have to contort their self expression to fit inside this perfect little checkbox.

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COVxy
06/09/20 10:19:08 AM
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No.

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