Poll of the Day > Do any of you think , major cities disbanding their whole police force will

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Revelation34
06/08/20 11:42:29 PM
#52:


GanonsSpirit posted...


They resigned as a show of support for the officers that got suspended. They're all pieces of shit.


They stated they resigned because they were suspended because they were following orders.
adjl posted...


Is that really what you think is the most important part of that post?


Yes. You're stating something factually wrong.
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wolfy42
06/08/20 11:45:14 PM
#53:


Police chief with a short mustache "Kill all the Jews"

Police kill them all.

World gasps in horror.

Police "What, we were just following orders!!"

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GanonsSpirit
06/09/20 6:29:38 AM
#54:


Revelation34 posted...
They stated they resigned because they were suspended because they were following orders.

They were ordered to shove the elderly to the ground with no provocation and then ignore them as they lay there bleeding from head wounds?
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Lokarin
06/09/20 8:37:13 AM
#55:


GanonsSpirit posted...
They were ordered to shove the elderly to the ground with no provocation and then ignore them as they lay there bleeding from head wounds?

Yes, apparently.

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LinkPizza
06/09/20 11:02:32 AM
#56:


GanonsSpirit posted...
They were ordered to shove the elderly to the ground with no provocation and then ignore them as they lay there bleeding from head wounds?

I mean, probably...
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captpackrat
06/09/20 11:28:47 AM
#57:


Revelation34 posted...
They stated they resigned because they were suspended because they were following orders.

Nuremberg Principle IV:

The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.

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captpackrat
06/09/20 11:50:20 AM
#58:




Imagine what would happen if they took most of that money that's going to the police and spent it on things like eduction, job training, mental heath, homeless services, and civil rights. There would be a lot less need for police.

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SirPikachu
06/09/20 2:05:30 PM
#59:


Crime will go through the fucking roof.

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Mead
06/09/20 2:11:15 PM
#60:


SirPikachu posted...
Crime will go through the fucking roof.

citation needed

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SirPikachu
06/09/20 2:30:17 PM
#61:


Mead posted...
citation needed
Just wait then. Lots of places are gonna get robbed, lots of women are gonna get raped, lots of kids are gonna get sold to sex trafficking rings. And it'll all be because of people like you that are too spoiled to know about the horrible people that police deal with.

Or should we just send a social worker to deal with these gangs of rapists and murderers? So they can hug it out and talk about their feelings?

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Mead
06/09/20 3:14:14 PM
#62:


SirPikachu posted...
Just wait then. Lots of places are gonna get robbed, lots of women are gonna get raped, lots of kids are gonna get sold to sex trafficking rings. And it'll all be because of people like you that are too spoiled to know about the horrible people that police deal with.

Or should we just send a social worker to deal with these gangs of rapists and murderers? So they can hug it out and talk about their feelings?

They arent gonna just get rid of all police dude. Reforms will actually make it a lot easier for cops to stop criminals because they wont be dealing with so many other things that really shouldnt be under their scope of responsibility

Slow down for a moment and actually think before you react

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Revelation34
06/09/20 6:39:39 PM
#63:


Mead posted...


citation needed


Common sense. We'll get a real life Escape from LA.
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WhiskeyDisk
06/09/20 6:40:32 PM
#64:


SirPikachu posted...
Crime will go through the fucking roof.

More like unreported crime because with no police, who ya gonna call? Ghostbusters?

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Lokarin
06/10/20 3:05:28 AM
#65:


SirPikachu posted...
Crime will go through the fucking roof.

Actually, if that Baltimore stat is accurate - paying the Mafia a massive bribe in protection money would be more useful than the gains from police funding

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wolfy42
06/10/20 3:24:38 AM
#66:


I wanna touch on the crime will go through the roof issue.

IF cops were only called, and didn't patrol, but we had more cameras and methods to call cops if needed. We set up cameras for traffic violations as well (but actually fixed them so they didn't give false tickets etc), and in all situations a cop was called cameras were both worn by the cops and running from the vehicle (And cops were trained to park the vehical to record the events if at all possible), I don't think crime would go up at all, in fact, it would likely go down.

Why would it go down? For a few reasons.

First, if quaotas exist, they wouldn't anymore. Second things would not escalate from minor issues to major ones...well ever, cause nobody would call on a minor issue. Third the money saved could be used for services for people who need help (are drunk etc), homeless etc.

Also if the cops were basically on call for the citizens instead of prowling among them, people might actually trust them and call them when needed.

So I don't think we should get rid of cops all together (Although a rebranding might be a good idea) but we should retrain them, and refocus them, so cops are literally there FOR THE PEOPLE, not there to seek out and arrest anyone they can, often for very minor reasons, or if some people are to be believed, for no reason at all because they don't like you, are racist, are in a bad mood, haven't gotten enough arrests lately, or you look like someone they are mad at lol.

I'm white, I don't break ANY laws (I'm kinda OCD about a few things and that is one, don't even drink, don't do pot in a place where more people smoke pot than drink in fact, I don't even jay walk (except a very few times when everyone was doing it so it just made sense), but I STILL get nervous when I see a police car, especially if i'm driving.

I don't think to myself "Oh good there is a police man keeping us safe", nope, I think "Oh no, I hope that police officer isn't gonna find something wrong with my car, or think I look like a suspect (has happened twice in my life), or pull me over for some other reason.

Does ANYONE actually feel safe or happy when they see a cop now adays?

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captpackrat
06/10/20 4:10:30 PM
#67:


Crime will probably go down if we downsize the police.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/23/cops-took-more-stuff-from-people-than-burglars-did-last-year/



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Valkenhyne
06/10/20 4:13:28 PM
#68:


If you think disbanding the police force means there'll be nothing in place, you're a moron. The whole point is to build a new system in a way that functions and isn't inherently fucked up. Split what the current police force is in charge of and replace them with seperate organisations that are fully trained in their specific function, rather than having a jack-of-all-trades police force who are, as recent events have shown, ill-equipped to deal with most situations.
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Dynalo
06/10/20 4:19:59 PM
#69:


The union representing the police here threatened people by saying if funding is cut, the first group to go will be the relatively new Cultural unit, which was specifically designed to help ease racial tensions.

Suffice to say, not exactly the smartest thing the union could have said.

https://mobile.twitter.com/QueenCityPolice/status/1270235868121440258

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Lokarin
06/11/20 4:41:25 AM
#70:


Dynalo posted...
The union representing the police here threatened people by saying if funding is cut, the first group to go will be the relatively new Cultural unit, which was specifically designed to help ease racial tensions.

Suffice to say, not exactly the smartest thing the union could have said.

https://mobile.twitter.com/QueenCityPolice/status/1270235868121440258

Yes, if you defund the police they'll throw the good ones under the bus first is what they're saying...

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MisterXiado
06/11/20 8:04:19 AM
#71:


In my city, when budget shortfalls severely crippled the local police presence (three officers on duty to cover a city of tens of thousands), the whole west side got robbed so many times that most of the business just upped stakes and never came back. How badly do you have to screw up to get a KFC to leave the broke side of town?

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Dynalo
06/11/20 10:41:22 AM
#72:


And the union has apologized, though it felt like a pretty empty apology as they blamed it basically on fear of losing their jobs.

https://mobile.twitter.com/QueenCityPolice/status/1270895282448789506

Also, the actual Regina police Twitter had a hell of a time trying to clarify that while the union represents the members, they don't represent the thoughts of the police service itself.

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HornedLion
06/11/20 10:43:57 AM
#73:


They were reporting on a city in NJ that got rid of their police force and crime actually went down.

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captpackrat
06/11/20 11:01:50 AM
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Veedrock-
06/11/20 11:50:51 AM
#75:


This reminds me a lot of the "Tea Peter" episode of Family Guy, where they overthrow the government but in the end replace it with the exact same government.

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Mead
06/11/20 11:59:57 AM
#76:


HornedLion posted...
They were reporting on a city in NJ that got rid of their police force and crime actually went down.

cause they transitioned to a better police force

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Revelation34
06/12/20 8:37:30 PM
#77:


HornedLion posted...
They were reporting on a city in NJ that got rid of their police force and crime actually went down.


I call bullshit on this.
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Mead
06/12/20 8:41:42 PM
#78:


@Revelation34
I call bullshit on this.

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/01/what-happened-to-crime-in-camden/549542/

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Revelation34
06/12/20 8:44:01 PM
#79:


Mead posted...
@Revelation34

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/01/what-happened-to-crime-in-camden/549542/


That's not the same thing he was claiming though.
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Mead
06/12/20 8:46:22 PM
#80:


Revelation34 posted...
That's not the same thing he was claiming though.

sure it is

they got rid of their police force, replacing it with a new one with better practices

exactly what is being called for now

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FrndNhbrHdCEman
06/14/20 1:56:12 PM
#81:


ClarkDuke posted...
i believe the point in a protest is to aim higher than what you want, ok?
Ya and contract negotiations.

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