Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 303: The System Doesn't Work

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Gave it a couple hours, but this one can't wait. Minneapolis is dispanding its police department.

https://twitter.com/theappeal/status/1269726925238329344?s=19

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So what happens? Oversight on the county level?

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well the first thing that's gonna happen is people buying guns to protect themselves.

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thinking...
first political thing would probably be a court challenge. would expect that branch to get involved a lot more.

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So a guy on Facebook posted some Tucker Carlson videos and asked if anyone can deny how on point they are. So I watched them. And found myself I agree completely with them.

Any of you have any points to refute any of this?

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6161244593001

https://youtu.be/lOYwJydeHGs

I know you will denounce the person and the source, but can anyone provide counter arguments to what he says? Not gonna lie. I find him pretty on point. I am guessing maybe some of his stuff he quotes is out of context.

just responding to the youtube video: his "there's no black genocide" point is fine, but "there's a black genocide" is obviously a dumb take and anyone can see that. he could have just said "uh no, obviously there's no black genoicde" instead of talking about it for 6 minutes.

his "so does that mean the country is getting destroyed because of a lie??" point at the end is total bullshit. the reason rioters are "destroying" the country is because of george floyd's death. whatever some person on MSNBC said had nothing to do with it.

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The people who want guns already have them.

My reason for not owning a gun is not rooted in the fact the police departments exist.

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and yeah, was wondering why it took so long for the new topic to appear. usually jakyl is quite punctual with making new ones!

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I've unblocked red just for this topic so he doesn't go complaining about it somewhere else.

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Ignore works just as well

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Well

Wasn't expecting that

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

just responding to the youtube video: his "there's no black genocide" point is fine, but "there's a black genocide" is obviously a dumb take and anyone can see that. he could have just said "uh no, obviously there's no black genoicde" instead of talking about it for 6 minutes.

his "so does that mean the country is getting destroyed because of a lie??" point at the end is total bullshit. the reason rioters are "destroying" the country is because of george floyd's death. whatever some person on MSNBC said had nothing to do with it.

So the people are "destroying" the country over a single death?

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

and yeah, was wondering why it took so long for the new topic to appear. usually jakyl is quite punctual with making new ones!

Was busy today. My bad
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https://mobile.twitter.com/NYTimesPR/status/1269722985751027713

Also kind of important, in less obvious ways

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Wanglicious posted...

well the first thing that's gonna happen is people buying guns to protect themselves.

Hey if that makes everything safer than having a police department does, so be it.
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The only thing I wanted to post before this was that post where the police department "sent" a bunch of fake letters of support to themselves for a photo op, and got caught because all the letters have the same handwriting.

Wasn't exactly urgent before this, lol.

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Corrik7 posted...

So the people are "destroying" the country over a single death?

no, because there was also the michael brown case, etc. floyd's death was just the final straw.

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KamikazePotato posted...

https://mobile.twitter.com/NYTimesPR/status/1269722985751027713

Also kind of important, in less obvious ways

Woooooow.

Honestly unless I'm mixing him up with someone else, this is a huge positive, regardless of the Cotton piece. Could be mistaken, I've not been super invested in the ongoing NYT management shifts.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Was busy today. My bad

no worries

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For the Tucker clip, notice how hes focusing on unarmed black men shot and killed by the police

This would not apply to people like George Floyd
(Unarmed, was not shot)

This would not apply to people like Philando Castille
(Was legally armed)

This would not apply to people like Tamir Rice
(Was armed with a toy gun, was shot)

This would not apply to people like Eric Garner
(Unarmed, was not shot)

This would not apply to any case of police brutality where the person did live but was still unjustly treated

Its very much creating a straw man argument and then defeating it
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Jakyl25 posted...

For the Tucker clip, notice how hes focusing on unarmed black men shot and killed by the police

This would not apply to people like George Floyd
(Unarmed, was not shot)

This would not apply to people like Philando Castille
(Was legally armed)

This would not apply to people like Tamir Rice
(Was armed with a toy gun, was shot)

This would not apply to people like Eric Garner
(Unarmed, was not shot)

This would not apply to any case of police brutality where the person did live but was still unjustly treated

Its very much creating a straw man argument and then defeating it

He says how many black people were killed by the police in total beforehand.

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Corrik7 posted...

He says how many black people were killed by the police in total beforehand.

And that number is still grossly out of proportion

Also white people should generally not be killed by police either!
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Corrik7 posted...

He says how many black people were killed by the police in total beforehand.

Also no he doesnt. All of his numbers are specifically for shootings, not just blanket deaths

Again, people like Floyd would not even be counted in this stat if he was sampling 2020
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So I am fiddling around with the Washington Post database right now.

1004 people killed by the police in 2019.

The biggest !!!!! Thing I have noticed so far is this.

Body camera.. 129

No 875

If that isn't the biggest thing for sending more money to police forces for cameras then I don't know.

Gonna keep fiddling around.

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Also a reminder that any talk show host on any cable news network is paid to lie to you if it helps their agenda
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No body camera
Whites 366
Blacks 199
Hispanic 140

Body camera
Whites 40
Blacks 50
Hispanic 23

That's interesting.

961 men
43 women

I'd say there is a reason for that disparity.

Under 18
2 white
4 black
6 Hispanic

601 had guns
173 knives
65 vehicle
29 toy weapons
56 unarmed

Toy weapons
14 whites
6 blacks
4 Hispanic

California the most with 135
Texas second with 108
New York surprisingly with only 23
Florida 64

California
White 33
Black 23
Hispanic 45

Texas
White 38
Black 21
Hispanic 26

New York
White 6
Black 11
Hispanic 1

Florida
White 23
Black 16
Hispanic 16

2020

462 so far
190 white
98 black
61 Hispanic

Body camera
43 yes
419 no

Weapon
278 gun
24 unarmed

Unarmed
10 white
6 black
3 Hispanic

Body camera
12 white
18 black
5 Hispanic

No body camera
178 white
80 black
56 hispanic

2018


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Jakyl25 posted...

Hey if that makes everything safer than having a police department does, so be it.

If the argument for less police involved less gun control it'd at least make sense. I doubt it'd be safer but it's significantly better than people asking for both which doesn't.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

The people who want guns already have them.

My reason for not owning a gun is not rooted in the fact the police departments exist.

Except a lot of new gun owners came on the rise of Corona.
And though we lack data, crisis like this also spike gun sales, with new owners coming out.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Also a reminder that any talk show host on any cable news network is paid to lie to you if it helps their agenda

Oh no doubt. I don't watch any cable news for that very reason.

Tucker Carlson is a special breed of despicable though. He's in that Glenn Beck family.

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When people talk about "black genocide" it's more of a rhetorical shorthand for the extreme and targeted system of segregation and violence along racial-social-economic lines that still exists in America today so I dont even know if this is a gotcha as much as it is a semantic argument

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Tucker Carlson is awful. He's like an 8.5/10 on the Glenn Beck scale though. Glenn Back might be the actual worst person to ever be on TV in the history of TV.

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Did he misquote the people talking about removing the police? The America burning quote seemed out of context with the ... In it. But I dunno.

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KamikazePotato posted...

Tucker Carlson is awful. He's like an 8.5/10 on the Glenn Beck scale though. Glenn Back might be the actual worst person to ever be on TV in the history of TV.

Uhhh you guys are missing a few real king shitheads that outrank Beck and Carlson
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https://twitter.com/hannah_natanson/status/1269742337934217219

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Jakyl25 posted...

Uhhh you guys are missing a few real king shitheads that outrank Beck and Carlson

On national cable news?

Megan Kelly is gone.

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I made it like twenty seconds into one of those Tucker videos before I just couldnt deal with his smug face anymore
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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/hannah_natanson/status/1269742337934217219

Thinking about the Romney doom and gloom of 2012 and how people though him winning would be the end of the world.

Hidsight is 2020.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

On national cable news?

Yes, especially historically

Jesse Waters
Sean Hannity
Chris Matthews
Jeffrey Lord

And the king of them all
Bill OReilly
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Tucker's one of the best on cable news.
If you think he's one of the worst all you're showing is that you don't know what you're talking about.

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Kinglicious posted...

Tucker's one of the best on cable news.
If you think he's one of the worst all you're showing is that you don't know what you're talking about.

Keep telling yourself that. Theyre all bad, on all networks
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Kinglicious posted...

Tucker's one of the best on cable news.
If you think he's one of the worst all you're showing is that you don't know what you're talking about.

Yes, Wang. We all get why you think that already.

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Sean Hannity seems awful from what I have seen. Vouch.

Anderson Cooper doesn't seem too great either. He is the white haired guy right?

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Yes
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Jakyl25 posted...

Yes, especially historically

Jesse Waters
Sean Hannity
Chris Matthews
Jeffrey Lord

And the king of them all
Bill OReilly

Was really talking about current, you got me on Hannity though.

Really shocked Kelly doesn't make your list.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Was really talking abiut current, you got me on Hannity though.

Really shocked Kelly doesn't make your list.

Shes on Tucker level

I could add Laura Ingraham though
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Jakyl25 posted...

Keep telling yourself that. Theyre all bad, on all networks

that's not disagreement, that's just saying it's a low bar in being one of the best. and i do agree with that sentiment completely.

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Wanglicious posted...

that's not disagreement, that's just saying it's a low bar in being one of the best. and i do agree with that sentiment completely.

I am assuming everyone they are naming is conservatives.

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As someone who's had Fox News as the background radiation of most of my life, Glenn Beck was the worst of all of those, with Hannity a close second. They're all awful but Beck and Hannity are two of the most unhinged human beings I've ever seen.

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Speaking of Sean Hannity, this old Daily Show video on Eric Garner came up for me yesterday, containing one of my favorite instances of Hannity dumbassery (start at 2:40):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KqDIPdCOg&t=2m40s

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Corrik7 posted...

I am assuming everyone they are naming is conservatives.

Chris Matthews is theoretically a liberal.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Yes, Wang. We all get why you think that already.

Ill never forget that time Wang tried to tell us that Tucker got better after he and his Crossfire cohorts got destroyed by Jon Stewart, despite the bigoted quotes in question being from many years after Crossfire
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Corrik7 posted...

I am assuming everyone they are naming is conservatives.

i mean Jakyl mentioned Chris Matthews, so he's widened the pool a little more than others. plenty on MSNBC or CNN that are pretty shit though, yeah.

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