Current Events > Minneapolis Mayor takes the walk of shame

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Error1355 posted...

I support police reform and shit, but that's an unreasonable demand to entirely remove the police from a city lol

Amen to this.

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So_Hajile posted...

It's a lot of faith to place in humanity that communities will all unanimously agree to live together in harmony and not commit any crimes. This is coming from the recent riots and looting in which people attacked their own communities.

The dumb part is that the woman in the video along with numerous viewers will think it's fantastic that the Mayor had to walk away as if it's a victory and in any way validates their argument.

I was thinking more like people think the police are to brutal now and then they want to fire them all. So whats to stop the police from taking their weapons and just open firing on the crowd? I mean they could literally murder hundreds or thousands of people and there would be absolutely nothing anyone could do about it since they were the guys who were supposed to do something about shit like that. All they have to to is wear a mask and gloves and even if federal troops/agents came in they couldn't be punished as long as they are covered up because you couldn't prove which specific people did that. It would never pass a "beyond a reasonable doubt" level of conviction.

I also find the whole arguement a bit absurd considering the chief of police in Minneapolis is black. And he wants to increase the size of the force from 800 to 1000. Obviously he doesn't think there is that much of a problem here.

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Gamerguymass posted...

I also find the whole arguement a bit absurd considering the chief of police in Minneapolis is black.

Look where that got George Floyd.
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Gamerguymass posted...

I was thinking more like people think the police are to brutal now and then they want to fire them all. So whats to stop the police from taking their weapons and just open firing on the crowd? I mean they could literally murder hundreds or thousands of people and there would be absolutely nothing anyone could do about it since they were the guys who were supposed to do something about shit like that. All they have to to is wear a mask and gloves and even if federal troops/agents came in they couldn't be punished as long as they are covered up because you couldn't prove which specific people did that. It would never pass a "beyond a reasonable doubt" level of conviction.

I also find the whole arguement a bit absurd considering the chief of police in Minneapolis is black. And he wants to increase the size of the force from 800 to 1000. Obviously he doesn't think there is that much of a problem here.

Probably a ban on guns that the police would enforce.

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Defunding the police is crazy

These guys have no idea what they are calling for
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How did we get here? Who is giving these anarchist a platform to speak? How did this great country get to this point?

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Not sure why people think defunding the police is a radical proposal
https://twitter.com/jourdayen/status/1268485485191745536?s=19

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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

Not sure why people think defunding the police is a radical proposal
https://twitter.com/jourdayen/status/1268485485191745536?s=19

And this sort of thing will only get worse as the economic crunch of shutdown leads more localities to impose austerity for everything except the police (who will of course, be asked the handle the resulting public anger).
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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

Not sure why people think defunding the police is a radical proposal
https://twitter.com/jourdayen/status/1268485485191745536?s=19

That graph pretty much sums it up. Imagine how much it would hurt the police losing all that money. I genuinely think the anarchists want another Wild West.

Good thread here: https://twitter.com/TravelingNun/status/1268510970260922368
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Antifar posted...

Good thread here: https://twitter.com/TravelingNun/status/1268510970260922368

Exactly. It isn't eliminating law enforcement.

People just latch on to what it sounds like "oh they just want criminals to run wild" without giving it any thought.

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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

Not sure why people think defunding the police is a radical proposal
https://twitter.com/jourdayen/status/1268485485191745536?s=19

Are they wasting this money?

In no way does this graph show whether or not the LAPD needs $3 billion+

Antifar posted...

Good thread here: https://twitter.com/TravelingNun/status/1268510970260922368

I can see she's very much an idealist, but her final slogan is "abolish the police." If you have a really complicated idea, maybe abbreviating it into a three-word slogan isn't the best thing to do.

Edit: I say that, but "Reform the Police" is also a three-word slogan that is really self-explanatory. So why not say that instead of "Abolish the Police" when what you actually want is to reform the police, from your own words?

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How the fuck does one reform the police by completely defunding it? Unless you want a bunch of racist thugs off the street you're going to have to pay for well trained emotionally stable cops.

This illustrates how the far left always eat their own. This mayor has groveled and virtue signaled to the far left constantly but it will never will be enough.

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You know I have read some articles on what it would mean to abolish law enforcement and replace it with a different sort of peacekeeping organization.

The problem as I see it is that it would interfere with the justice system as a whole. Without the police and procedure, crimes wouldnt be investigated properly and youd end up not being able to administer justice fairly and competently later. Even without the police people would still feel entitled to want recompense and a sense of closure when a crime is committed against them and the police are the first line of defense in that chain. That sort of dissatisfaction that you arent able to get adequate justice for the wrongs in your life would inevitably result in vigilantism.

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Lol I thought that teenager was a protester at first

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Solid Sonic posted...

Without the police and procedure, crimes wouldnt be investigated properly and youd end up not being able to administer justice fairly and competently later.

They aren't investigated properly now

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/sexual-assault-rape-sympathy-no-prison.html

. Sexual assault is massively underreported, and even when victims come forward, convictions are rare. According to RAINN, only 5 out of every 1,000 rapes committedthats 0.5 percentends in a felony conviction. The Washington Post puts the figure at 7 out of 1,000, but pretty much everyone agrees its under 1 percent. We usually try to make sense of this painfully low number by noting that many rapes arent reported, which is true, but the crime is also notoriously under-investigated.

And when it is investigated, its pretty tough to provenot because of the crimes high proof threshold, but because of how little evidence about it we bother to collect. There is, for example, a national backlog of hundreds of thousands of untested rape kits. And behind that big number are stories that dont get told: Rather than heal or wash or even change after being attacked, these women went straight to the hospital, where they had to undress, subject themselves to intrusive physical exams, and get interrogated. And then nothing happened. No one did anything with the evidence they offered at great personal cost. (Actually, thats not true: According to a CNN investigation, 25 law enforcement agencies in 14 states were found to be destroying rape kits in cases that could still be prosecuted. This was a routine process, they said, done to make space in evidence rooms.)

But its not just rape kits; this lack of investigative vigor seems to permeate every aspect of the system. The Minneapolis Star Tribunes review of more than a thousand cases in Minnesota found that:

In almost a quarter of the cases, records show, police never assigned an investigator.

In about one-third of them, the investigator never interviewed the victim.

In half the cases, police failed to interview potential witnesses.

Most of the casesabout 75 percent, including violent rapes by strangerswere never forwarded to prosecutors for criminal charges.

Overall, fewer than one in 10 reported sexual assaults produced a conviction, records show.

Even the rape statistics we actually have are likely much too low, becausegiven a major incentive to lower caseloads and no reporting standardlaw enforcement has a history of improperly clearing sexual assaults. For decades, police departments abused the unfounded classification reserved for false or baseless rape claims (a practice that helped to undergird the myth of prevalent false-rape claims). A scandal in late-1990s Philadelphia provoked real reform there, but a recent investigation by ProPublica, Newsy, and Reveal found that many police departments still have unusually high rates of cases they designate unfounded. As an oft-cited 2010 meta-analysis put it, [M]isclassification of cases by law enforcement agencies is routine. Cases in which the victim is unable or unwilling to cooperate, in which evidence is lacking, in which the victim makes inconsistent statements, or in which the victim was heavily intoxicated frequently get classified as unfounded or no-crimed. Law enforcement also has a history of destroying the evidence with investigations designated incomplete not because they had no merit but because officers failed to follow through. CNNs review of one police department in Springfield, Missouri, found that in dozens of cases detectives did not attempt to contact witnesses and known suspects, didnt have rape kits tested or stopped working cases within days or weeks of being assigned to investigate.

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Im sorry are you trying to get me to change my position because you presented evidence?

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Lol these clowns think they have power, what a joke mob

BroodRyu posted...

Thats how public office works. Youre elected by the people. If you dont serve the people you elect, youll be voted out. Whether the people are wrong or right is irrelevant. Thats how it works.

Straight up abolishing the police is insane.

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pikachupwnage posted...

Straight up abolishing the police is insane.

says who

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Abolish the police?! Lol!!!!

These idiots can't be serious. That's literally one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever heard

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Have people not seen Frey before this video or something? He's not really that young looking.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

These idiots can't be serious. That's literally one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever heard

i disagree

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Doom_Art posted...

i disagree

I know anarchy sounds cool and all, I was 13 once too.

But I promise you it probably wouldn't work out very well for you and most people you know.

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Doom_Art posted...

says who

Says intelligent/not emotionally blinded people.

You either reform/rebuild the system to be better or suggest and work towards a viable alternative.

Just straight abolishing the police is simply creating anarchy. Anarchy does not work as a long term solution for a nation of ~350 Million.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

anarchy

who said anything about anarchy

pikachupwnage posted...

You either reform/rebuild the system to be better or suggest and work towards a viable alternative.

who said this wasn't the goal

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I am 100% positive of removing the police there as an experiment.

Then when the experiment completely fails people outside of Mineapolis who supported it can feel stupid about it while watching the ones who proposed in Mineapolis suffer the consequences of their actions.

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Lol. I've been trying to tell you guys for ages. The new wave blues have a few screws loose. Don't drink their koolaid.

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Doom_Art posted...

who said anything about anarchy

What exacly do you think society is going to look like without a law enforcement entity to hold people publicly accountable?

I'll promise you one thing, it's gonna end really badly for minorities and poor people

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/31/the-answer-to-police-violence-is-not-reform-its-defunding-heres-why

Every time protests erupt after yet another innocent black person is killed by police, reform is meekly offered as the solution. But what if drastically defunding the police not reform is the best way to stop unnecessary violence and death committed by law enforcement against communities of color?

Minneapolis, where George Floyd was killed by a police officer who kneeled on his neck for over eight minutes, has tried reform already. Five years ago, the Minneapolis police department was under intense pressure in the wake of both the national crisis of police killings of unarmed black men and its own local history of unnecessary police violence. In response, the departments leaders undertook a series of reforms proposed by the Obama administrations justice department and procedural reform advocates in academia.

The Minneapolis police implemented trainings on implicit bias, mindfulness, de-escalation, and crisis intervention; diversified the departments leadership; created tighter use-of-force standards; adopted body cameras; initiated a series of police-community dialogues; and enhanced early-warning systems to identify problem officers.

In 2015, they brought in procedural reformer and implicit bias champion Phillip Atiba Goff to lead the National Initiative for Building Community Trust and Justice, a three-year, $4.75m project to use data collection, social psychology and police community dialogues to repair and strengthen the frayed relationship between cops and communities.

Following that, Minneapolis implemented a series of training programs designed to professionalize policing in the hopes that it would reduce abuses that might trigger more protests. Officers were trained in how to respond to mental health crisis calls, how to de-escalate confrontations with the public, how to be mindful in dangerous circumstances, and how to be more self-aware of their implicit racial bias. In 2018, the department even wrote a report, Focusing on Procedural Justice Internally and Externally, to highlight the broad range of procedural reforms they had implemented.

None of it worked.

Thats because procedural justice has nothing to say about the mission or function of policing. It assumes that the police are neutrally enforcing a set of laws that are automatically beneficial to everyone. Instead of questioning the validity of using police to wage an inherently racist war on drugs, advocates of procedural justice politely suggest that police get anti-bias training, which they will happily deliver for no small fee.

What procedural justice leaves out of the conversation are questions of substantive justice. What is the actual impact of policing on those policed and what could we do differently? Over the last 40 years we have seen a massive expansion of the scope and intensity of policing. Every social problem in poor and non-white communities has been turned over to the police to manage. The schools dont work; lets create school policing. Mental health services are decimated; lets send police. Overdoses are epidemic; lets criminalize people who share drugs. Young people are caught in a cycle of violence and despair; lets call them superpredators and put them in prison for life.

Police have also become more militarized. The Federal 1033 program, the Department of Justices Cops Office, and homeland security grants have channeled billions of dollars in military hardware into American police departments to advance their war on crime mentality. A whole generation of police officers have been given warrior training that teaches them to see every encounter with the public as potentially their last, leading to a hostile attitude towards those policed and the unnecessary killing of people falsely considered a threat, such as the 12-year-old Tamir Rice, killed for holding a toy gun in an Ohio park.

The alternative is not more money for police training programs, hardware or oversight. It is to dramatically shrink their function. We must demand that local politicians develop non-police solutions to the problems poor people face. We must invest in housing, employment and healthcare in ways that directly target the problems of public safety. Instead of criminalizing homelessness, we need publicly financed supportive housing; instead of gang units, we need community-based anti-violence programs, trauma services and jobs for young people; instead of school police we need more counselors, after-school programs, and restorative justice programs.

A growing number of local activists in Minneapolis like Reclaim the Block, Black Visions Collective and MPD 150 are demanding just that. They are calling on Mayor Jacob Frey to defund the police by $45m and shift those resources into community-led health and safety strategies. The Minneapolis police department currently uses up to 30% of the entire city budget. Instead of giving them more money for pointless training programs, lets divert that money into building up communities and individuals so we dont need violent and abusive policing.

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Antifar posted...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/31/the-answer-to-police-violence-is-not-reform-its-defunding-heres-why

But we need people with guns to fix those problems. How dare they think that people with much more specialized training could solve a problem better than a law enforcement officer. People need to be put in jail for crimes! Not taught how to better serve their community.

But yeah I'm from the Minneapolis area. MPLS cops have had a really bad reputation for a very long time. People are extremely upset with them. The MPLS police force has been a blight on communities.

The University of Minnesota, Minneapolis Public Schools, and the Minneapolis Parks and Recreation Board have all terminated their contracts with the MPLS police department. I would expect more groups to follow.

This isn't as much about defending police as it is about defunding the MPLS police department. They've basically destroyed their sense of trust with the public.

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Antifar posted...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/31/the-answer-to-police-violence-is-not-reform-its-defunding-heres-why

"We admit failure last time, but this time we will get it right. Trust us!!"

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This couldn't be a bigger gift to Trump -- if he portrays Democrats as the party that wants to abolish the police, he could easily win re election.

GodIsImaginary posted...

This couldn't be a bigger gift to Trump -- if he portrays Democrats as the party that wants to abolish the police, he could easily win re election.

Joe Biden is stuck now. Either he supports the defunding of police and loses the moderates and centrists, or he refuses to defund the police and he loses the support of the further left.

Autocraticus posted...

Joe Biden is stuck now. Either he supports the defunding of police and loses the moderates and centrists, or he refuses to defund the police and he loses the support of the further left.

Except the further left have literally nowhere else to go. So there's no reason to pander to them.

Solid Snake07 posted...

without a law enforcement entity

Where did I say this?

GodIsImaginary posted...

This couldn't be a bigger gift to Trump

Somehow everything is spun as a positive for Trump by his supporters


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Autocraticus posted...

Joe Biden is stuck now. Either he supports the defunding of police and loses the moderates and centrists, or he refuses to defund the police and he loses the support of the further left.

People who want to abolish the police are like <.1% of potential Biden voters.

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Doom_Art posted...

Where did I say this?

Well when I said abolishing the police is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard you felt the need to tell me you disagreed. Which would lead one to believe you, to some degree, agree with that stance.

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GodIsImaginary posted...

This couldn't be a bigger gift to Trump -- if he portrays Democrats as the party that wants to abolish the police, he could easily win re election.

Hes been portraying Democrats as far left Marxists from the beginning of his presidency. At this point, him continuing that narrative is like the boy who cried wolf.

Plus, anyone with a modicum of common sense knows that most people disagree with abolishing police departments.

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sutree posted...

People who want to abolish the police are like <.1% of potential Biden voters.

It's a lot more people than you think...

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