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Cocytus
06/04/20 1:52:26 PM
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I mean what with all the publicity, how will they find a jury?
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GodIsImaginary
06/04/20 1:54:19 PM
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They just have to find people who swear they will be impartial and haven't read about the case. It will be hard to give him a normal trial though with the public outcry.
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EnragedSlith
06/04/20 1:54:47 PM
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When has a black person received a fair trial in this country?

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UnholyMudcrab
06/04/20 2:00:16 PM
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They'll probably have to hold the trial outside of Minneapolis, but I doubt it would be that hard to find proper jury members.
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ScazarMeltex
06/04/20 2:00:40 PM
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Cocytus posted...
I mean what with all the publicity, how will they find a jury?
They won't he'll opt for a bench trial.

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The Trent
06/04/20 2:00:46 PM
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in before claims that he doesn't deserve a fair trial

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Southernfatman
06/04/20 2:00:58 PM
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I expect some jury tampering by the cops in his favor.

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Trickfinger
06/04/20 2:01:58 PM
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The Trent posted...
in before claims that he doesn't deserve a fair trial
a fair trial would find him guilty

so no he deserves a fair trial

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The Trent
06/04/20 2:02:35 PM
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Southernfatman posted...
I expect some jury tampering by the cops in his favor.

what does this mean?
you think the other cops in the dept are going to harass jurors?

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scorpion41
06/04/20 2:03:09 PM
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Itll be interesting to see what defense his lawyers present, but you wont find 12 people who wont say he acted without regard for Floyds life before hearing the case.

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Xatrion
06/04/20 2:04:44 PM
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Not unless he truly does get a jury of his peers, ie, honkey racist motherfuckers.

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HaVeNII7
06/04/20 2:07:30 PM
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He literally cant be found innocent. Hes on video killing the dude. That, and you think the riots are bad now? They would EXPLODE overnight if he was found innocent.

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Sackgurl
06/04/20 2:08:31 PM
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if martin shkreli could he could

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UnfairRepresent
06/04/20 2:09:53 PM
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Lol no.

All of America knows who he is and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone impartial

but it hardly matters, the evidence is overwhelming.

HaVeNII7 posted...
He literally cant be found innocent

You don't find people innocent, you find them not guilty.
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spudger
06/04/20 2:10:33 PM
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i really dont care
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Southernfatman
06/04/20 2:12:55 PM
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The Trent posted...
what does this mean?
you think the other cops in the dept are going to harass jurors?

Yes

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Collat
06/04/20 2:13:11 PM
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The Trent posted...
what does this mean?
you think the other cops in the dept are going to harass jurors?
Sounds pretty on brand for them honestly.
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Lyrica
06/04/20 2:15:44 PM
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scorpion41 posted...
Itll be interesting to see what defense his lawyers present, but you wont find 12 people who wont say he acted without regard for Floyds life before hearing the case.
They'll say he didn't die from the knee and that it was him succumbing to his medical issues, but I heard there was another ME who ruled it death by asphyxiation.

That still doesn't help because they'll say the conflicting reports mean you can't truly tell how he died.
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teepan95
06/04/20 2:17:21 PM
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This is why I couldn't be a lawyer

I couldn't represent someone like him, cause I have strong feeling about this case which would hamper his right to counsel
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The Trent
06/04/20 2:17:48 PM
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teepan95 posted...
This is why I couldn't be a lawyer

I couldn't represent someone like him, cause I have strong feeling about this case which would hamper his right to counsel

so you couldn't be a DEFENSE lawyer

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teepan95
06/04/20 2:18:46 PM
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The Trent posted...
teepan95 posted...
This is why I couldn't be a lawyer

I couldn't represent someone like him, cause I have strong feeling about this case which would hamper his right to counsel

so you couldn't be a DEFENSE lawyer

Is that a thing? I know next to nothing about law

Not to mention, if you flip it around I probably couldn't prosecute a case I didn't agree with either. Same problem
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Lyrica
06/04/20 2:19:01 PM
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teepan95 posted...
This is why I couldn't be a lawyer

I couldn't represent someone like him, cause I have strong feeling about this case which would hamper his right to counsel
You could be a lawyer and not practice criminal law. There are many types of lawyer.
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Trickfinger
06/04/20 2:19:25 PM
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teepan95 posted...
This is why I couldn't be a lawyer

I couldn't represent someone like him, cause I have strong feeling about this case which would hamper his right to counsel
shut the fuck up

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The Trent
06/04/20 2:20:03 PM
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FINE you can be an international maritime contracts attorney since the criminal justice system isn't for you there are you happy now

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scorpion41
06/04/20 2:22:06 PM
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Lyrica posted...
They'll say he didn't die from the knee and that it was him succumbing to his medical issues, but I heard there was another ME who ruled it death by asphyxiation.

That still doesn't help because they'll say the conflicting reports mean you can't truly tell how he died.

So really he can be convicted on a lesser charge, and not the second degree murder charge they are going for. Theyll likely make a plea deal for the lesser and avoid a public trial. He doesnt spend his life in prison, but also doesnt get to walk if they cant prove intent.

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UnfairRepresent
06/04/20 2:25:25 PM
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teepan95 posted...
This is why I couldn't be a lawyer

I couldn't represent someone like him, cause I have strong feeling about this case which would hamper his right to counsel


Not all lawyers are criminal lawyers. You can be a civil litigator.

Also unless you're a public defender, you don't HAVE to take cases. You're allowed to not defend someone for moral reasons.

In fact if a lawyer feels they are unable to give their cilent the best representation possible then they have an ethical duty to back out of the case.

There are many reasons not be a lawyer but "I don't want to defend people I think are jerks!" isn't really one of them except for Public defenders.
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teepan95
06/04/20 2:35:42 PM
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The Trent posted...
FINE you can be an international maritime contracts attorney since the criminal justice system isn't for you there are you happy now

Or I could continue down my current path of becoming a research scientist

Science don't care bout your feelings

Trickfinger posted...
teepan95 posted...
This is why I couldn't be a lawyer

I couldn't represent someone like him, cause I have strong feeling about this case which would hamper his right to counsel
shut the fuck up

What? What he did was downright disgusting and he deserves the fullest punishment he can get and then some, but that's no excuse to throw the rulebook away. In fact, in times like this we have to stick to the rules more than ever. To quote Commissioner Gordon: 'we have to show them that our way works'
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The Trent
06/04/20 2:36:28 PM
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no, you'll be a lawyer and you'll like it

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Trickfinger
06/04/20 2:38:03 PM
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The Trent posted...
no, you'll be a lawyer and you'll like it

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UnfairRepresent
06/04/20 2:40:20 PM
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teepan95 posted...

Science don't care bout your feelings

Prove it mr Scientist.
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cjsdowg
06/04/20 2:42:15 PM
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No since he is cop he would get treated better then most.

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au_gold
06/04/20 2:43:03 PM
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He doesnt deserve one.

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DevsBro
06/04/20 2:43:34 PM
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I often wonder this about sports referees too.

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teepan95
06/04/20 2:45:28 PM
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Trickfinger posted...
The Trent posted...
no, you'll be a lawyer and you'll like it

Damn, guess I gotta throw away my BSc in engineering

UnfairRepresent posted...
teepan95 posted...

Science don't care bout your feelings

Prove it mr Scientist.

Easy. No matter how much I beg my equipment, my results are still shitty. QED
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The Trent
06/04/20 2:47:08 PM
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no one said you had to throw anything away

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teepan95
06/04/20 2:50:23 PM
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So I should become a chemical lawyer?

my uncle works in export law and regularly handles cases involving chemicals
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Tyranthraxus
06/04/20 2:51:36 PM
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The Trent posted...
what does this mean?
you think the other cops in the dept are going to harass jurors?
No. They'll just plant a juror to obstruct.

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The Trent
06/04/20 2:52:59 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
No. They'll just plant a juror to obstruct.

so...they're working with the justice department too or?

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Tyranthraxus
06/04/20 2:54:10 PM
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teepan95 posted...
This is why I couldn't be a lawyer

I couldn't represent someone like him, cause I have strong feeling about this case which would hamper his right to counsel

The goal of a defense attorney isn't to get a not guilty verdict. It's to get the best possible outcome. Sometimes a not guilty verdict just isn't going to happen, but you can argue things like "according to x, y, z he should get minimum sentence plus early parole based on behavior"

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teepan95
06/04/20 2:56:42 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
teepan95 posted...
This is why I couldn't be a lawyer

I couldn't represent someone like him, cause I have strong feeling about this case which would hamper his right to counsel

The goal of a defense attorney isn't to get a not guilty verdict. It's to get the best possible outcome. Sometimes a not guilty verdict just isn't going to happen, but you can argue things like "according to x, y, z he should get minimum sentence plus early parole based on behavior"

But I don't want him to get a minimum sentence. I want him to be punished to the fullest extent of the law
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Laserion
06/04/20 2:58:41 PM
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Lyrica posted...
They'll say he didn't die from the knee and that it was him succumbing to his medical issues, but I heard there was another ME who ruled it death by asphyxiation.

Wouldn't they have to show that it would have happened anyway, without the knee-hold-down?
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Tyranthraxus
06/04/20 3:00:02 PM
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teepan95 posted...
But I don't want him to get a minimum sentence. I want him to be punished to the fullest extent of the law
You should not want people to be "punished" you should want everyone to have a fair trial and to see justice done.

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The Trent
06/04/20 3:00:40 PM
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this is why he's going to be an international maritime chemical contracts attorney instead

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teepan95
06/04/20 3:07:52 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
teepan95 posted...
But I don't want him to get a minimum sentence. I want him to be punished to the fullest extent of the law
You should not want people to be "punished" you should want everyone to have a fair trial and to see justice done.

My wanting to see him punished won't affect his right to a fair and just trial, nor will it affect the fulfillment of said right

Seems like a weird thing to virtue signal over

The Trent posted...
this is why he's going to be an international maritime chemical contracts attorney instead

;(
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Cocytus
06/04/20 3:33:13 PM
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EnragedSlith posted...
When has a black person received a fair trial in this country?
So you'd like a not-so-fair conviction? You don't think the case can be won on its own merits?
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Cocytus
06/04/20 3:36:12 PM
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HaVeNII7 posted...
He literally cant be found innocent. Hes on video killing the dude. That, and you think the riots are bad now? They would EXPLODE overnight if he was found innocent.
also see Rodney King
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Cocytus
06/04/20 3:48:35 PM
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Lyrica posted...
They'll say he didn't die from the knee and that it was him succumbing to his medical issues, but I heard there was another ME who ruled it death by asphyxiation.

That still doesn't help because they'll say the conflicting reports mean you can't truly tell how he died.
This will be critical, I think, because if he died from being crushed and there's no trauma to the neck, he might get away with this argument.
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spudger
06/04/20 3:50:25 PM
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Trickfinger posted...

shut the fuck up

stop frothing
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Trickfinger
06/04/20 3:56:13 PM
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stop lurking
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