Current Events > Are the riots necessary?

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Austin_Era_II posted...

Past riots all over the world police use force even for peaceful protests such as G8 or G12 summits. Not to mention stuff happening years ago.

As a home owner who works hard to have a home I think if a lot of you owned something and were slowly paying off a mortgage it might impact you different compared to just renting. Some of these people want to sell their home to retire or help their children out.

Then maybe they should stand in solidarity with black people and help make sure innocent lives aren't taken by cops in the future.

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Some of these people are standing in solidarity and doing peaceful protest. I'm all for peaceful protests, but then if someone riots and burns your place or your folks it's an issue for me. Like I said these aren't millionaires who can shrug it off. And insurance doesn't always work. Especially for a car. You still have to pay off the car loan and insurance won't give you what you actually owe for a loan.

Now you've pissed off another person who's hard working and guess what? They'll lash out also.

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Austin_Era_II posted...

I'm all for peaceful protests

Then maybe you should turn your outrage to the cops who are escalating them into riots.


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Or the rioters should attack the police station to send the msg?

I know during the G12 summit in Toronto years ago some dirty undercover cops were doing stuff acting like riots trying to stir up shit which was wrong so I'm all for people destroying the cops station.

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Austin_Era_II posted...

Or the rioters should attack the police station to send the msg?

Does that include the alt-right members injecting themselves among the protesters to cause more damage and blame it on the other side?

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Austin_Era_II posted...

Or the rioters should attack the police station to send the msg?

This is poking the hornets nest and is asking for actual bullets to be used.

The 3rd Minneapolis precinct was fair game though.

Also I imagine a lot of the precincts are well defended. Like ain't nobody driving or walking up

It's not on me to stop the rioting. It's on the police and all levels of government to de-escalate the situation and offer up actual change.

Justice isn't just Floyd's murderer going to prison. Justice is revolution and reform. Anything less will keep the violence going.

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I'd be pissed if my house or my parents place burnt or was violated. Years ago my parents place was robbed during the day and it's a shame cause these people worked their ass off to achieve what they got. It wasn't given to them and they weren't born with a silverspoon.

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Austin_Era_II posted...

I'd be pissed if my house or my parents place burnt or was violated. Years ago my parents place was robbed during the day and it's a shame cause these people worked their ass off to achieve what they got. It wasn't given to them and they weren't born with a silverspoon.

I'd be pissed too.

However if you let injustice go on long enough and turn a blind eye to the blight of the poor, the downtrodden unwashed mashes, then don't be surprised if all your hard work goes out the window when those same masses react to the injustices they perceive

Maybe these people rioting should attack the wealthy neighborhoods instead of their own? At the end of the day where are middle class or poor people suppose to go if they already are hurting? You're not solving the problem and the solution of destruction of your own neighborhood is not helping out really. You impact a small business and they can't hire staff or that impacts others.

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Austin_Era_II posted...

Maybe these people rioting should attack the wealthy neighborhoods instead of their own? At the end of the day where are middle class or poor people suppose to go if they already are hurting? You're not solving the problem and the solution of destruction of your own neighborhood is not helping out really. You impact a small business and they can't hire staff or that impacts others.

In NYC its 42nd Street Times Square is getting hit up. That's actually what's taking place in most cities. They're not really going after their own neighborhoods like many are trying to claim

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monkmith posted...

not killing random people that have no association with the issue? not destroying random peoples lives? is that so radical? do you seriously think that the best way to fix the issue is to fuck up innocent peoples lives? how is that in any way different from what groups like ISIS does? how is that not going to just make more problems in the future?

Stop blaming the rioters and start blaming the one who incurred it. This entire situation is his fault. Blame the action, not the reaction.

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Since it's Pride month, I'll just point out there's a straight line to be drawn between the first brick thrown at Stonewall and things like marriage equality and the inevitable passage of the Equality Act.

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Makeveli_lives posted...

Stop blaming the rioters and start blaming the one who incurred it. This entire situation is his fault. Blame the action, not the reaction.

So stop blaming ISIS also?

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2Pacavelli posted...

In NYC its 42nd Street Times Square is getting hit up. That's actually what's taking place in most cities. They're not really going after their own neighborhoods like many are trying to claim

I live in Philly and thats simply not true.

Its all getting hit, they already finished with the lower income neighborhoods.

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That's a shame. These people might not recover.

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Highly against rioting.

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Makeveli_lives posted...

Stop blaming the rioters and start blaming the one who incurred it. This entire situation is his fault. Blame the action, not the reaction.

While I agree with your thought, rioters will riot for the sake of rioting. Not all of them, but many of them will. De-escalating the situation will help reduce numbers, but not all numbers unfortunately.

this country was founded on riots bruh

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Only morons think so.

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All alt left radicals escape from the politics board again and show how happy and smug they are that innocent people are getting hurt and there lives destroyed.

Thugs supporting other thugs.

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Nope, they need to be locked up as well those like Sony who bail them out.
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I love how most of the pro rioters on here are white suburban kids far away from most of these cities. Especially the galaxy brains from other countries. Probably never faced any actual adversity.

They're destroying the Bronx right now. That's a low income area already stuck in poverty. That's one example out of hundreds in the country.

Floyd's family has said to stop. Actually, every person with a brain has said to stop. Respect that. There riots will 100% negatively us minorities the hardest while all the white people will disappear while patting themselves on the back.


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This thread summed up...people whose justification is, "well they're fucked up, so it's okay if we're fucked up."

I mean, shit....how can you argue with that?

No, but when peaceful protests are ignored, derided, shot down then people get fed up. Kaepernick took a knee and white America clutched all of its pearls, the President called him an SOB.

As long as the underlying conditions are there (i.e police misconduct and brutality) then this situation will never go away.

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Yeah it's not helping those who aren't wealthy that can't recover.

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ZMythos posted...

I can, and I would.

Are you okay with police killing civilians and inciting riots with brutal force, tear gas, rubber bullets, pepper spray, and undercover antagonists?

Im not ok with all that so go ahead and burn your house down

"Floyd's family has said to stop."

It's not about Floyd, or any individual - it's about the entire history of black Americans being treated like garbage, and they don't want to to be treated like garbage any more, or ever.

Every racist murderer masquerading as a cop needs to think about the consequences of causing the death of a black person.

Only they won't, because they are racist murderers - and so the riots will continue.
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So every time a black person dies by the cops they'll be chaos? I mean Mexicans, whites, etc. also die by crooked cops. The fact is there's good cops and bad cops. Sadly bad people exist in this world and authorities should punish those who do in fact murder even if its there own kind. Firing alone won't do it but they should start putting people in jail which can make a difference. People are just sick of the so-called slap on the wrist approach cause if that person wasn't a cop they'd be in jail.

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I don't like the riots, but I think they're necessary at this point.

Peaceful protesting either get you dismissed or ignored, or tear gassed by police anyway. Much harder to ignore riots.

And do you think the officer would have been arrested without these riots? Do you think the case would have been passed to the AG without riots? I don't think so. Again, it's a lot harder to cover your eyes and ears when people start rioting.

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Bass_X0 posted...

"Floyd's family has said to stop."

It's not about Floyd, or any individual - it's about the entire history of black Americans being treated like garbage, and they don't want to to be treated like garbage any more, or ever.

Every racist murderer masquerading as a cop needs to think about the consequences of causing the death of a black person.

Only they won't, because they are racist murderers - and so the riots will continue.

I'm gonna bet a million you're one of those white suburban kids with no real experience with life in the hood or even adult life. Or maybe you do, because I will agree that not every minority is against rioting, but many of them are definitely not thinking about the long term consequences.

I completely understand what this is about. I've been harassed all my fucking life by the NYPD. I get it.

But there's a point where black and minority lives can't come at the expense of protecting us from the police. Rioters are hurting us. Police brutality magically ends and then you're left with rubble.

Another dumb thing pro rioters bring up is how everybody thinks everything is insured. Like, do you know how fucking expensive insurance is in the hood, for various reasons like poverty and bad credit? Just for cars, most have liability only. What happens when the car is destroyed? You're not getting paid bro. You have to consider these little things that will leave people fucked for years.

"At least cops don't harass me anymore, even though I'm broke and starving"

And this is completely ignoring the motherfucking fact that we're still in a pandemic, which has not gone anywhere, and is ravaging minority communities.

Like, holy shit. Some of you flip flopped so fast on staying inside.


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-Kush- posted...

So every time a black person dies by the cops they'll be chaos? I mean Mexicans, whites, etc. also die by crooked cops. The fact is there's good cops and bad cops. Sadly bad people exist in this world and authorities should punish those who do in fact murder even if its there own kind. Firing alone won't do it but they should start putting people in jail which can make a difference. People are just sick of the so-called slap on the wrist approach cause if that person wasn't a cop they'd be in jail.

There's chaos because these cops don't see any real punishments for their actions. As for the other racial and ethnic groups being brutalized, my question is why is it never brought up until a BLM group or similar has decided to speak up. Why haven't these ALM groups gone to their Mayors, Governors and Sheriffs before this and said "Hey! The negligence and irresponsibility of this officer has resulted in the wrongful death of this person. Why are they still on the force?" There seems to be more energy and thought over a Lebron tweet than fixing their criminal justice flaws.

What are the citizens of Utah going to do when that rapist pedophile is released at the end of the year? Are the going to accept the fact that he's going to continue to rape their daughters, wives and animals? The silence and lack of action is noted and it seems that everyone else has come to the conclusion that cops are going to continue to abuse their positions and we have to take it because the government says so.

We can also appreciate the fact that there are terrific cops that are active in their communities and do what they can to keep their neighborhoods safe. Unfortunately until these crooked ones are properly dealt with, citizens are going to feel like they can't tell the good from the bad. To them these good cops and bad cops fit the same description.

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InfinityMonster posted...

I love how most of the pro rioters on here are white suburban kids far away from most of these cities. Especially the galaxy brains from other countries. Probably never faced any actual adversity.

Yes, its very convenient for you that the assumed topography and ethnicity of your ideological opponents is such that you can dismiss them as individuals without having to consider their views. No thought required.

They're destroying the Bronx right now. That's a low income area already stuck in poverty. That's one example out of hundreds in the country.

Looks like the government better bend the knee, then, and give in to the people's demands, in hopes of stopping things before they get worse. I'm sure they'll get around to that at any moment.

Floyd's family has said to stop. Actually, every person with a brain has said to stop. Respect that. There riots will 100% negatively us minorities the hardest while all the white people will disappear while patting themselves on the back.

I respect that. But if this were just about George Floyd's death, there would have never been any outrage at all. Or maybe it would have been so unusual that there would be outrage and a quick response to it by a responsible government, not designed for police abuse. But we don't live in that world. its not just about them, and the weather isn't going to magically change because of their feelings, or my feelings, or any other loser-on-the-Internet's opinion.

And my opinion is that the protests should continue, because the problem that begot them will not go away without significant, continued social outrage. And (this next part is not my opinion) the government has decided that the situation should get worse, not better, so get ready for more looting - this time courtesy of the police department and the National Guard, who are much better equipped to steal your stuff and shoot you and your parents and your children, with bonus legal sanctions, all the while rampant criminal behavior continues with inefficient response because the police and National Guard recognize criminal looters as the exact same individuals as innocent bystanders and peaceful protestors (and sometimes even their own agents).

Rather than "stahp", I think the protests should become more organized and act with strategy and intent, and more people should join in. This is not what the government wants to happen; they want us to either make a lot of impotent noise and property damage so they can justify fucking us over ever harder, or they want us to just stop criticizing them on all levels, so they can go back to doling out the regular abuses they are fond of. Now that I've stated my opinion, commence to disparaging me for what you assume is my ethnicity and where I live. It will make you appear quite reasonable and not at all in a state of emotional and intellectual panic.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Yes, its very convenient for you that the assumed topography and ethnicity of your ideological opponents is such that you can dismiss them as individuals without having to consider their views. No thought required.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. If you never lived and grew up in areas that are getting hit the worst, you have no right to speak about it and be pro riot. If you're not white, this does not apply to you and I'm open to hearing discourse coming from similar experience.

If you are white, just stay quiet and be on standby as an ally. Don't talk for us. Don't tell what does or doesn't benefit us. It's a very hard pill for white people to swallow, but it's the truth.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Looks like the government better bend the knee, then, and give in to the people's demands, in hopes of stopping things before they get worse. I'm sure they'll get around to that at any moment.

At the end of the day, the government couldn't give less of a fuck about the destroyed minority communities.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I respect that. But if this were just about George Floyd's death, there would have never been any outrage at all. Or maybe it would have been so unusual that there would be outrage and a quick response to it by a responsible government, not designed for police abuse. But we don't live in that world. its not just about them, and the weather isn't going to magically change because of their feelings, or my feelings, or any other loser-on-the-Internet's opinion.

And my opinion is that the protests should continue, because the problem that begot them will not go away without significant, continued social outrage. And (this next part is not my opinion) the government has decided that the situation should get worse, not better, so get ready for more looting - this time courtesy of the police department and the National Guard, who are much better equipped to steal your stuff and shoot you and your parents and your children, with bonus legal sanctions, all the while rampant criminal behavior continues with inefficient response because the police and National Guard recognize criminal looters as the exact same individuals as innocent bystanders and peaceful protestors (and sometimes even their own agents).

Rather than "stahp", I think the protests should become more organized and act with strategy and intent, and more people should join in. This is not what the government wants to happen; they want us to either make a lot of impotent noise and property damage so they can justify fucking us over ever harder, or they want us to just stop criticizing them on all levels, so they can go back to doling out the regular abuses they are fond of. Now that I've stated my opinion, commence to disparaging me for what you assume is my ethnicity and where I live. It will make you appear quite reasonable and not at all in a state of emotional and intellectual panic.

See above about your extremely stupid last sentence.

Otherwise, no where did I say we need to stop protesting and yes, better organization will help.

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Yeah it sucks for families who have just enough to get out of the hood and now cause their place got messed up and they have added expenses they're back in the struggle when they were almost out of the "hood struggle". That part is sad cause they are doing it for their kids especially working 2 jobs or more.

And some of you all for rioting should burn down your place of stay if you think that's the solution and don't mind losing out on your property especially those not renting. Easier said than done.

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monkmith posted...

can children be de-burned?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEncQKV8k_0&feature=emb_title

More importantly you can prevent children from being burned.

By changing the system.

So you tell me. Do you want to keep seeing children burned or are you just a hypocrite.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Rather than "stahp", I think the protests should become more organized and act with strategy and intent, and more people should join in. This is not what the government wants to happen; they want us to either make a lot of impotent noise and property damage so they can justify fucking us over ever harder, or they want us to just stop criticizing them on all levels, so they can go back to doling out the regular abuses they are fond of. Now that I've stated my opinion, commence to disparaging me for what you assume is my ethnicity and where I live. It will make you appear quite reasonable and not at all in a state of emotional and intellectual panic.

Good luck with an organized and strategic protest.

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@InfinityMonster posted...

Again, as I said in another thread, minorities in these communities do have bigger problems than police brutality and it should never come at the expense of that.

Read this and other responses in there explaining in more detail.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78739570/940079565

And also most of the people in the hood trying to break shit are all young people. The older people are actively telling them to stop because they know how much it's gonna hurt us.

Again, unless you've ever lived through this life, which most white people haven't, stop speaking on how people should handle it

Regardless, I respect TC a lot to turn this into a huge argument. So maybe we can discuss it in another thread.

I am okay with taking this up here.

What do you mean by living through that life?

My dad got arrested for drugs when I was 4 and my family was homeless on and off for years. The closest thing to a home we had until we moved across the country to live with family was in 'the hood' though. I mean it was a literal crack house, that's how we were there, it was my dad's dealer. So I have had to deal with poverty and the police. I'm white. I dunno if any of this establishes credibility to you.

What I said in the other topic is still how I feel, I never said riots were advisable (I actually said they were unquestionably inadvisable) but I still think people do it because nothing else works either.

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Balrog0 posted...

I am okay with taking this up here.

What do you mean by living through that life?

My dad got arrested for drugs when I was 4 and my family was homeless on and off for years. The closest thing to a home we had until we moved across the country to live with family was in 'the hood' though. I mean it was a literal crack house, that's how we were there, it was my dad's dealer. So I have had to deal with poverty and the police. I'm white. I dunno if any of this establishes credibility to you.

What I said in the other topic is still how I feel, I never said riots were advisable (I actually said they were unquestionably inadvisable) but I still think people do it because nothing else works either.

Ok, so you have some understanding of living in a low income area where everybody around you is also low income. What happens when these places are destroyed because violence is necessary. When insurance doesn't cover much or nothing? When you are already suffering from poverty and the pandemic and now it's even worse? Especially in the cities that are dying to see these low income areas destroyed, only to be rebuild by rich people moving in?

Look, I'll tell you right now. The 3rd precinct burning down was one of the most profound things I've ever seen. It was sending a message. I had tears.

Maybe a couple of more government buildings, while would hurt the community through taxes, is at least showing a message.

But then when your own people start getting fucked, what are you really fighting for then?


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InfinityMonster posted...

Ok, so you have some understanding of living in a low income area where everybody around you is also low income. What happens when these places are destroyed because violence is necessary. When insurance doesn't cover much or nothing? When you are already suffering from poverty and the pandemic and now it's even worse? Especially in the cities that are dying to see these low income areas destroyed, only to be rebuild by rich people moving in?

I mean I lived through a riot when I lived there, the 7/11 across the street got totally ransacked.

I mean I gotta be honest literally nothing changed for the people I knew, but I wasn't hanging out with like business owners or whatever

It was also only a couple night thing ... These seem likely to last much longer. To be fair

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Balrog0 posted...

I mean I lived through a riot when I lived there, the 7/11 across the street got totally ransacked.

I mean I gotta be honest literally nothing changed for the people I knew, but I wasn't hanging out with like business owners or whatever

It was also only a couple night thing ... These seem likely to last much longer. To be fair

So... One corporate entity got ransacked and you're comparing that to a full on several blocks of small business stores in just one part of the Bronx, mostly owned by minorities, getting destroyed? And that's just one single area of one single borough of NYC with tons of other areas around the borough, city and country in the same situation?

What about the cars destroyed with liability only insurance. Who is going to pay for that?

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InfinityMonster posted...

So... One corporate entity got ransacked and you're comparing that to a full on several blocks of small business stores in just one part of the Bronx, mostly owned by minorities, getting destroyed?

It's just the thing I saw get destroyed in front of me. I'm quite sure it was franchised and owned by an immigrant family though. Either way I don't think you're really open to a discussion regardless of my experiences lol

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Balrog0 posted...

It's just the thing I saw get destroyed in front of me. I'm quite sure it was franchised and owned by an immigrant family though. Either way I don't think you're really open to a discussion regardless of my experiences lol

What does this even mean? What experience? You brought up a single fucking store and you're going "I hope my experience is comparable".

Seriously. White people need to just stay quiet and stop telling minorities how to behave, especially based off such dumb ass comparison. Be an ally. Don't try to lead us and lecture us based off a single 7/11.

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InfinityMonster posted...

What does this even mean? What experience? You brought up a single fucking store and you're going "I hope my experience is comparable".

Living through the Cinco de mayo riots in San Jose, it wasn't just a single store, that's just my memory of the experience lol

I don't hope it's comparable, it is...

InfinityMonster posted...

Seriously. White people need to just stay quiet and stop telling minorities how to behave, especially based off such dumb ass comparison. Be an ally. Don't try to lead us and lecture us based off a single 7/11.

Lol you should have just started with that dude. I knew you didn't really care if I experienced anything

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InfinityMonster posted...

What does this even mean? What experience? You brought up a single fucking store and you're going "I hope my experience is comparable".

Seriously. White people need to just stay quiet and stop telling minorities how to behave, especially based off such dumb ass comparison. Be an ally. Don't try to lead us and lecture us based off a single 7/11.

Balrog is a great poster and an actual functional human being whose career is literally about social activism. You need to shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down before you make yourself look even dumber.

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Balrog0 posted...

Living through the may day riots in San Jose, it wasn't just a single store, that's just my memory of the experience lol

I don't hope it's comparable, it is...

Lol you should have just started with that dude. I knew you didn't really care if I experienced anything

Again, I'm not sure what you're saying. Why not start off with how many businesses were actually affected when you were there?

And again, how to do you comfort all the people absolutely fucked in Brooklyn and The Bronx? Yes, the black people. How do you comfort them and in the same breath tell them that you as a white person feel fighting police brutality is in their best interest vs their livelihoods? Who the fuck are you? And the other stuff I bought up like insurance?

Exactly. White people just can't understand these things, which is why it's most them advocating the violence.

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But anyway, I'm not telling anyone what to do. You are. I'm saying I understand rioting even though I don't condone it. No need to be upset when we barely disagree

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s0nicfan posted...

Balrog is a great poster and an actual functional human being whose career is literally about social activism. You need to shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down before you make yourself look even dumber.

Here comes the alt-right joker.

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Just saw video of a dying old black man gasping for breath with a pool of blood underneath him. Not only a NO but a FUCK NO that was not necessary.

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