Current Events > Trump supporting dumbass outs herself on social media..

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Machete posted...

I think he might have gotten really suspended about her getting what she deserved...

TheGoldenEel posted...

lmfao

Funny how these alt right losers here are getting suspended like clock work now. Good riddance

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I don't want to read 250 posts to find out how bad she got fucked. Can someone catch me up?
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Bullet_Wing posted...

Well deserved

banned now \_()_/

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DD Divine posted...

Damnnnn she aint going to be in rush hour 3

roflercopter!

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Bullet_Wing posted...

They reached out and shared what she posted with her job and future school and both kicked her deplorable ass to the curb. Her last post was "deleting all my social media"

Perfect
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I like how white women's ways of dealing with everything is always to talk to their manager to get them fired.

She's a racist kid that's obviously surrounded by racist Trump sludge. That white christian academy is no doubt filled with more of her types so it's good she won't be attending. Being adamant that a teen is beyond reform is almost never a good look tho. She still needs a path forward.

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foreverzero212 posted...

I like how white women's ways of dealing with everything is always to talk to their manager to get them fired.

She's a racist kid that's obviously surrounded by racist Trump sludge. That white christian academy is no doubt filled with more of her types so it's good she won't be attending. Being adamant that a teen is beyond reform is almost never a good look tho. She still needs a path forward.

I think if she shows that she can change a few years from now. It would be legit to give her a 2nd chance, but that comment is way too disgusting to make me feel bad about her right now. That said. I just think it's ridiculous that so many people think people cannot change. However I do believe her second chance should come later in life. Not now and seriously of all people Zoomer should be the ones that know people will ruin your life if you post crap like that.

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joe40001 posted...

It's words and ideas though, shitty dumb words and ideas, but mob justice trying to ruin her life doesn't help anything.

Argue with her, stop being friends with her, fight her dumb words with smart words, but trying to ruin her life isn't productive. It's just purely motivated by schadenfreude masquerading as righteousness

You don't change minds by being punitive to people who think or say the wrong things, you just punish the honest among the bigots. You still entrench the bigotry, and you end up getting people who learn not to say this shit in public but still vote to empower people who would actually do horrible and bigoted things.

joe40001 posted...

She didn't "know the consequences". There is no evidence that she assumed posting that was going to destroy her life. And her words aren't why we have riots, horrible actions are why we have riots. Mob justice against people like her is why we have Trump, and Trump is why we have such a shit country. So no I don't think empowering that justice helps things.

Again, I think this is much more of people being (justifiably) angry at a lot of the world, and so they want to watch those who are being shitbirds suffer/burn/etc, but if we tried to be constructive and objective I don't think this would actually be the thing most likely to help society. I think it might be the thing that feels the best for angry people, and I get that, but I honestly don't think it helps.

So if the goal is to feel good by being punitive to somebody with a shitty opinion, yes no mercy, no sympathy. If the goal is to help things get better, then call her out and disagree with her, but don't doxx/mob justice her out of her career/life.

I understand your point, and it's a good, valid point, but like others have been saying ultimately you're wrong. Talk to her, that was decades ago. It's true that she's young and so she never even got a chance, that's sad, but the fact is she won't learn anything just by talking. Heck, she says so herself, and it's true. It's a sad state of affairs indeed when we've gone past the point of solving our issues reasonably, but we passed that point long, long ago. Enough is enough and it's been enough a long, long time now.

As others mention people like her have to understand that it's not just her words, her actions that are wrong, but her entire view of the world, her values, very likely those of her parents and her friends, her whole community, her whole way of life is fundamentally, radically wrong. It's a harsh truth for sure but humanity, the world can't wait for her to catch up anymore. The train is long gone and she has to, she's gonna have to find her way some other way. At some point reason, humanity (the ideal) has to prevail, and that point is now.

So what happens now? Her life is not completely over. She can still change, there's always hope. It won't be easy, but she just can't, we can't, the world can't just go on, slap on the wrist, as if there's nothing wrong. It's high time to set things straight.

epik_fail1 posted...

I think if she shows that she can change a few years from now. It would be legit to give her a 2nd chance, but that comment is way too disgusting to make me feel bad about her right now. That said. I just think it's ridiculous that so many people think people cannot change. However I do believe her second chance should come later in life. Not now and seriously of all people Zoomer should be the ones that know people will ruin your life if you post crap like that.

People can change, absolutely. She's still young, she still has her whole life ahead of her. But it can't be the life that she was leading. It can't. For everyone's sake including her own, it can't.

These kids are stupid as hell and I dont feel bad that their hopes and dreams are being taken away.

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What did Madfoot say in the post that got him banned? Don't think I caught it.
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closetjpopfan posted...

I understand your point, and it's a good, valid point, but like others have been saying ultimately you're wrong. Talk to her, that was decades ago. It's true that she's young and so she never even got a chance, that's sad, but the fact is she won't learn anything just by talking. Heck, she says so herself, and it's true. It's a sad state of affairs indeed when we've gone past the point of solving our issues reasonably, but we passed that point long, long ago. Enough is enough and it's been enough a long, long time now.

As others mention people like her have to understand that it's not just her words, her actions that are wrong, but her entire view of the world, her values, very likely those of her parents and her friends, her whole community, her whole way of life is fundamentally, radically wrong. It's a harsh truth for sure but humanity, the world can't wait for her to catch up anymore. The train is long gone and she has to, she's gonna have to find her way some other way. At some point reason, humanity (the ideal) has to prevail, and that point is now.

So what happens now? Her life is not completely over. She can still change, there's always hope. It won't be easy, but she just can't, we can't, the world can't just go on, slap on the wrist, as if there's nothing wrong. It's high time to set things straight.

I just fundamentally disagree. Speech and dialogue is how you change minds. Cynicism, mob justice, doxxing and bullying makes things worse.

Active KKK members have changed just through talking, this guy IMO does the best job explaining my overall outlook:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORp3q1Oaezw

Lets be honest, most people in this topic are just taking pleasure in seeing an ignorant person suffer, it isn't about what is prudent or constructive. I think if we start from a place where we are honest about that we can have a more productive conversation about this whole thing.

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Dunno why people say "it's just words, they don't do anything" then turn around and say "talk to them, have a discussion, change their minds".

Are words powerful and can have a strong effect or not?
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joe40001 posted...

I just fundamentally disagree. Speech and dialogue is how you change minds. Cynicism, mob justice, doxxing and bullying makes things worse.

Active KKK members have changed just through talking, this guy IMO does the best job explaining my overall outlook:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORp3q1Oaezw

Lets be honest, most people in this topic are just taking pleasure in seeing an ignorant person suffer, it isn't about what is prudent or constructive. I think if we start from a place where we are honest about that we can have a more productive conversation about this whole thing.

Nah. I figured you were going to use an example like Daryl Davis, in fact that's just who I thought of.

Like I said, I completely understand your point of view and in fact I wholeheartedly agree. But there comes a point, again most sadly, when we just can't depend and wait for enough Daryl Davises, much less ourselves, to solve the conflict. That time has long passed. So while yes, of course there can still be instances of reasonable resolution, and they're always preferable, and people should give them a try as much as they can, but it's not fair to anybody to rely on them. Not anymore. That's just the tragic circumstances we've reached. People have to still be willing to listen for dialogue to work. At some point, they close themselves off, and just dialogue doesn't work anymore. It will be unfair yes, because some people who might have been willing to listen will get treated like those who aren't. That's the saddest part.

And yes maybe some people don't care about the big picture and they're just petty. There's always that, too. The difference is that now they are the ones with the edge of reason. So yeah maybe we could still talk to people instead of just condemning them. But we don't want to wait until the situation becomes such that it is OBVIOUS that we can't reason with them anymore. The worse it gets, the harder it will be. History teaches that. So ironically, while we still have the option of talking to them, let's not, so that we can keep that option .

LightningAce11 posted...

Dunno why people say "it's just words, they don't do anything" then turn around and say "talk to them, have a discussion, change their minds".

Are words powerful and can have a strong effect or not?

Words and ideas are powerful and meaningful, but they shouldn't be treated as crimes to be punished by mob.

The point of is that we need to have freedom of though and speech to grow and get better as a society, that isn't to say thought and speech aren't powerful though.

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Then when the school declines her, she'll say "It's because I support Trump, that's what it is. It's my political affiliance."

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closetjpopfan posted...

Nah. I figured you were going to use an example like Daryl Davis, in fact that's just who I thought of.

Like I said, I completely understand your point of view and in fact I wholeheartedly agree. But there comes a point, again most sadly, when we just can't depend and wait for enough Daryl Davises, much less ourselves, to solve the conflict. That time has long passed. So while yes, of course there can still be instances of reasonable resolution, and they're always preferable, and people should give them a try as much as they can, but it's not fair to anybody to rely on them. Not anymore. That's just the tragic circumstances we've reached. People have to still be willing to listen for dialogue to work. At some point, they close themselves off, and just dialogue doesn't work anymore. It will be unfair yes, because some people who might have been willing to listen will get treated like those who aren't. That's the saddest part.

And yes maybe some people don't care about the big picture and they're just petty. There's always that, too. The difference is that now they are the ones with the edge of reason. So yeah maybe we could still talk to people instead of just condemning them. But we don't want to wait until the situation becomes such that it is OBVIOUS that we can't reason with them anymore. The worse it gets, the harder it will be. History teaches that. So ironically, while we still have the option of talking to them, let's not, so that we can keep that option .

I totally understand the "I've lost my patience for civil conversation" with people like this. I get there too sometime. I can understand giving up out of frustration. But I think ultimately that's what is being chosen to be done.

I support the protests, I think stuff like that is good and helps us keep the ability to communicate civilly. We do need to make voices heard in this way.

I'm still not on board with the mob justice doxxing and stuff, I understand your frustration and share it, particularly at this time. But I still haven't changed my mind about this not being the most constructive.

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joe40001 posted...

I totally understand the "I've lost my patience for civil conversation" with people like this. I get there too sometime. I can understand giving up out of frustration. But I think ultimately that's what is being chosen to be done.

I support the protests, I think stuff like that is good and helps us keep the ability to communicate civilly. We do need to make voices heard in this way.

I'm still not on board with the mob justice doxxing and stuff, I understand your frustration and share it, particularly at this time. But I still haven't changed my mind about this not being the most constructive.

Yes but again I think we agree fundamentally. We're just giving more weight to different factors. It is a choice, and sometimes things start getting grey and there's no completely right or wrong choice, or at least none that we can easily discern. The best policy is never to let things get to this point. But often that requires people to make prior choices they don't want to do. It's paramount for a civil society to not always think of you and those like you, we have to work together. Again ironic I know, advocating working together in this situation. But like I said there's a time for everything. What happens here is that talk was already tried and already failed. It happens. There are clear reasons why it happens. Always target the reasons that cause talk to fail.

In the end, people in this topic are getting satisfaction over ruining the life of somebody. I don't think that's how we build a better society. Mob justice is toxic and sloppy. And everybody here is going to move on in a week but even years from now her life will still be devastated from this.

Are we really making the world a better place by ruining more people's lives?

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Again, her life was already ruined. And there was no changing it with just talk.

edit I should say there was precious little chance of changing it with just talk.

closetjpopfan posted...

Again, her life was already ruined. And there was no changing it with just talk.

Even though I just posted a video about how several much older KKK members had their mind changed with just talk.

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joe40001 posted...

Even though I just posted a video about how several much older KKK members had their mind changed with just talk.

Right. We went over this.

closetjpopfan posted...

Right. We went over this.

You simply argued that her mind couldn't be changed, I don't really think we concluded that in any meaningful way.

It's taxing times, like I said I have sympathy for frustration, but again that is a far cry from proving it was hopeless to reach her through communication, or that ruining her life was productive.

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RoadsterUFO posted...

Conservatives: The market will sort out bigotry.

*Businesses and college get rid of racist problematic people due to demand of cancel culture.*

Conservatives: No, I did not mean like that!

If you are talking to me, I am not conservative, I don't really think the market is good at sorting out bigotry, and it was a mob and not the market that got this person fired and her college career destroyed.

All the silent bigots still have all their benefits just fine.

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joe40001 posted...

You simply argued that her mind couldn't be changed, I don't really think we concluded that in any meaningful way.

It's taxing times, like I said I have sympathy for frustration, but again that is a far cry from proving it was hopeless to reach her through communication, or that ruining her life was productive.

No, that's not exactly what I argued.

We don't have to "prove" anything at this point. This is not a criminal case.

closetjpopfan posted...

No, that's not exactly what I argued.

We don't have to "prove" anything at this point. This is not a criminal case.

Ok but just saying "it was hopeless to reach her through communication" doesn't mean it was so.

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joe40001 posted...

Ok but just saying "it was hopeless to reach her through communication" doesn't mean it was so.

Fair enough, that's true. It's not that it was completely hopeless. It's just that you can't expect people to take the most compassionate, reasonable stance. Not anymore. People are gonna have to start meeting each other halfway. When you cross the line like she did, you may expect some retaliation, unfortunately. That's just the times we live in, and we're all guilty, one way or another.

closetjpopfan posted...

Fair enough, that's true. It's not that it was completely hopeless. It's just that you can't expect people to take the most compassionate, reasonable stance. Not anymore. People are gonna have to start meeting each other halfway. When you cross the line like she did, you may expect some retaliation, unfortunately. That's just the times we live in, and we're all guilty, one way or another.

Yeah, I don't blame people who don't have infinite patience. I do understand getting frustrated. She is certainly more wrong than the people who just get frustrated with her.

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