Current Events > I'm tired of people selfishly coddling protestors who smash small businesses

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Yes police brutality is awful in this country
Yes making a scene causes attention to your issue.
Go target large chain or police buildings with that shit.

Morons who are like bUt tHeY hAvE iNsUrAnCe fail to see that

1. Not everyone gets insurance since its a struggle out there
2. They still gonna have deductibles
3. You never get back 100% of what is lost, plus its already hard with Covid.

seeing what happened in SJ with some people targeting civilian cars and mom and pop shops. Especially when I see skinny ass white faces who are doing the destruction who are just jumping onto the tragedies.

/EndofRantIntoTheVoid

When I lived across the street from sjsu I saw a 7/11 entirely cleared out by rioters

Literally took everything off the shelves and moved on

That was like 17 years ago though lol

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People see a wildlife engulfing a neighborhood and their first thought is "with everyone evacuating I better loot their houses to steal all the good stuff before it gets burnt down"

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Balrog0 posted...

When I lived across the street from sjsu I saw a 7/11 entirely cleared out by rioters

Literally took everything off the shelves and moved on

That was like 17 years ago though lol

SJ hasnt has this much destruction since the Cinco de Mayo riots from like YEAAAAAAAARS ago check out the reddit.

police using guns = bad
civilians causing chaos = good

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https://twitter.com/asiajannelll/status/1266626927885873152

Oakland is notorious for these types co-opting movements

itt property is more important than lives

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I know alot of people in Minneapolis/St. Paul
Theyre trying to protect their small businesses

Rumor has it that it was a cop smashed the windows of autozone in Minneapolis while everyone else was being peaceful (before the riots started). You even see multiple people trying to stop him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERhMCeLr1bg

Also, this is important to note as well. "Minneapolis police chief says many people involved in rioting, looting not from city"

https://www.fox9.com/video/688884?fbclid=IwAR2K1ICFZjRdLGyg0X5vHR6qxbSgVQrkC3ftJ8enLvlcKMB8WzGX1Mx4ujc

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AbstraktProfSC2 posted...

Also, this is important to note as well. "Minneapolis police chief says many people involved in rioting, looting not from city"

Most Minneapolis cops are not from the city!
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Rika_Furude posted...

itt property is more important than lives

forgot to add this bad take too.

Does smashing a mom and pop shop bring back lives lost due to police brutality?

Does smashing mom and pop shops bring more people to the side against the police?

Are mom and pop shops the only buildings and areas to target?

No? Then stop coddling dumb behavior.

stfu, burn that shit down. fuck this country

Legitimate protesting stops when it becomes violent.

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why vandalize in the first place? PEACEFUL PROTESTS!!!

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Beveren_Rabbit posted...

why vandalize in the first place? PEACEFUL PROTESTS!!!

lol I didnt know Trump posts here (teasing your caps and !!)

AbstraktProfSC2 posted...

Also, this is important to note as well. "Minneapolis police chief says many people involved in rioting, looting not from city"

isn't this always the case with these kinds of riots? seems like outsiders just jump in so they can destroy shit and cause a mess.

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Gen5_AppleJack posted...

Legitimate protesting stops when it becomes violent.

Shouldn't have been violent towards the "legitimate" protests.

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I'm tired of cops murdering people while people with comfortable lives look away because it doesn't effect them.

I'm also tired of people perpetuating a society that commodifies every aspect of life and then pretending they don't understand property damage as a form of protest.

These very same people have been protesting people for decades. It's accomplished nothing. Time to do it the old fashioned way. It worked for the French peasants and it worked for the workers in the labor movement.

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It's merely a symptom of a disease. It would be nice if we had no riots, but it would be also nice if we eliminated police brutality and the culture that fosters/protects bad cops. It would be nice if non-violent protests weren't constantly shit on for being pointless, annoying or "making people not want to support you".

Many police aren't doing themselves favors during these protests by attacking people and instigating either.

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It needs to happen. The only reason the cop got charged is because hundreds of thousands of people are committing violence.

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Gen5_AppleJack posted...

Legitimate protesting stops when it becomes violent.

What if a lot of people are still "legitimately protesting"?

How are hundred of thousands of random people across the country supposed to coordinate protest behavior?

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CruelBuffalo posted...

forgot to add this bad take too.

Does smashing a mom and pop shop bring back lives lost due to police brutality?

Does smashing mom and pop shops bring more people to the side against the police?

Are mom and pop shops the only buildings and areas to target?

No? Then stop coddling dumb behavior.

These are the same people who will tell you that blocking traffic wins you all sorts of friends because "it draws attention" even though the exact opposite happens in reality.

ScazarMeltex posted...

I'm tired of cops murdering people while people with comfortable lives look away because it doesn't effect them.

I'm also tired of people perpetuating a society that commodifies every aspect of life and then pretending they don't understand property damage as a form of protest.

These very same people have been protesting people for decades. It's accomplished nothing. Time to do it the old fashioned way. It worked for the French peasants and it worked for the workers in the labor movement.

French peasants werent burning the houses of other French peasants

https://twitter.com/selena_adera/status/1266707305158017029

ScazarMeltex posted...

I'm tired of cops murdering people while people with comfortable lives look away because it doesn't effect them.

I'm also tired of people perpetuating a society that commodifies every aspect of life and then pretending they don't understand property damage as a form of protest.

These very same people have been protesting people for decades. It's accomplished nothing. Time to do it the old fashioned way. It worked for the French peasants and it worked for the workers in the labor movement.

^^^^^^^^^^

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You forgot to add that many if not all insurance companies have a no riot clause in the policy. Which means when you burn down that mom and pop store, they arent rebuilding it as they will, get no insurance money.

I think its hilarious though that people think destroying the lives of thousands of people by torching businesses will somehow gain sympathy. Most people won't by sympathetic to that, certainly not the people who's livelihoods have now been destroyed. I mean black people hate when Republicans refer to them as violent thugs because of gang violence, but how is doing stuff like this supposed to make the average person think otherwise? A lot of people across the country now are going to see all this and think "hey, maybe the Republicans weren't wrong after all." This is just setting any ground gained back years.

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^big ole yikes

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Gamerguymass posted...

You forgot to add that many if not all insurance companies have a no riot clause in the policy. Which means when you burn down that mom and pop store, they arent rebuilding it as they will, get no insurance money.

I think its hilarious though that people think destroying the lives of thousands of people by torching businesses will somehow gain sympathy. Most people won't by sympathetic to that, certainly not the people who's livelihoods have now been destroyed. I mean black people hate when Republicans refer to them as violent thugs because of gang violence, but how is doing stuff like this supposed to make the average person think otherwise? A lot of people across the country now are going to see all this and think "hey, maybe the Republicans weren't wrong after all." This is just setting any ground gained back years.

So ok, you don't want them doing this. People bitched when they marched and blocked traffic. Decades of peaceful protest and attempting to work within the system has gotten only more people killed. They also got no results. Cops still murder them and face next to no repercussions. People got mad at Kaep when he tried to make a public statement by kneeling during the anthem.

You claim ground has been made and that this will set it back. What progress has been made. Blacks are killed by the cops in some cities at a rate that outpaces the murder rate. The police still target poor and minority communities at a higher rate. They target poor and minority individuals at a higher rate.

I live in a diverse suburban neighborhood about 10 minutes south of what is considered the city of Saint Louis (it's essentially one big sprawl, in a normal city where I live would be considered the southern part of the city). I can guarantee you that there is same amount of drug use in the neighborhood as there is in one of the city neighborhood the cops like to roll through and shake down. Teenagers with pot or heroin, adults popping pills. You name it, we have it. But the cops don't roll through here and take people down. It's a middle class neighborhood, they don't hunt here. These are people who can afford lawyers and avoid jail time. So they leave them alone. Poor people can't, so they roll through poor neighborhoods and bust them for doing the same shit they are doing in middle class areas because the best they can get is an overworked public defender who will tell them to take a plea deal, and bam into the system they go. The cops can say they are cracking down on drug offenders, the DA can say they are putting criminals behind bars. The private prisons keep getting their cut and everyone is happy. Except the guy who now has a felony possession charge on his record and won't ever be able to get a real job, so he's more likely go into other forms of crime now to put a roof over his head and food on his plate. Is it overt violence in the way that was enacted on George Floyd? No. It's a longer term form of violence that destroys families and lives over a period of time. And it's just part of the complex system that's in place to fuck over the poor and minority groups. That alone is bad enough. But in the last decade they've ramped it up now to involve more and more outright murder. Solving situations with guns that for anyone else would be tazed or deescalated through normal means.

What then is your solution? Seriously. What do you think they can do that they haven't already done to get the police to stop murdering them in broad daylight? These are people who are filled with rage and desperation, they feel like they have nothing more to lose. Don't forget that the first two of these protests were peaceful. The police fired teargas and rubber bullets at them. When your peaceful march is met with unwarranted violence the only way to meet that is with violence in return. It's sad, but it's a fact. You will never appeal to the better nature of your oppressor. They don't have one. No one has ever gotten a boot off of their neck by asking politely.

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Gamerguymass posted...

A lot of people across the country now are going to see all this and think "hey, maybe the Republicans weren't wrong after all." This is just setting any ground gained back years.

Then they were just Republicans in denial. They certainly don't have strong principles if seeing somebody committing vandalism makes them change their views on police brutality or the economy or whatever view.

Do people become liberals when they see a right-wing extremist kill someone?

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https://twitter.com/angelanissel/status/1266739446558257152

Im glad more people are seeing how like in Oakland white people have been co-opting BLM to do anarchy dumb shit and then this is blamed on BLM movement

Gamerguymass posted...

You forgot to add that many if not all insurance companies have a no riot clause in the policy. Which means when you burn down that mom and pop store, they arent rebuilding it as they will, get no insurance money.

I think its hilarious though that people think destroying the lives of thousands of people by torching businesses will somehow gain sympathy. Most people won't by sympathetic to that, certainly not the people who's livelihoods have now been destroyed. I mean black people hate when Republicans refer to them as violent thugs because of gang violence, but how is doing stuff like this supposed to make the average person think otherwise? A lot of people across the country now are going to see all this and think "hey, maybe the Republicans weren't wrong after all." This is just setting any ground gained back years.

Typical conservative idiocy. Its your job to make us less racist. We refuse to understand your point of view.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

So ok, you don't want them doing this. People bitched when they marched and blocked traffic. Decades of peaceful protest and attempting to work within the system has gotten only more people killed. They also got no results. Cops still murder them and face next to no repercussions. People got mad at Kaep when he tried to make a public statement by kneeling during the anthem.

You claim ground has been made and that this will set it back. What progress has been made. Blacks are killed by the cops in some cities at a rate that outpaces the murder rate. The police still target poor and minority communities at a higher rate. They target poor and minority individuals at a higher rate.

I live in a diverse suburban neighborhood about 10 minutes south of what is considered the city of Saint Louis (it's essentially one big sprawl, in a normal city where I live would be considered the southern part of the city). I can guarantee you that there is same amount of drug use in the neighborhood as there is in one of the city neighborhood the cops like to roll through and shake down. Teenagers with pot or heroin, adults popping pills. You name it, we have it. But the cops don't roll through here and take people down. It's a middle class neighborhood, they don't hunt here. These are people who can afford lawyers and avoid jail time. So they leave them alone. Poor people can't, so they roll through poor neighborhoods and bust them for doing the same shit they are doing in middle class areas because the best they can get is an overworked public defender who will tell them to take a plea deal, and bam into the system they go. The cops can say they are cracking down on drug offenders, the DA can say they are putting criminals behind bars. The private prisons keep getting their cut and everyone is happy. Except the guy who now has a felony possession charge on his record and won't ever be able to get a real job, so he's more likely go into other forms of crime now to put a roof over his head and food on his plate. Is it overt violence in the way that was enacted on George Floyd? No. It's a longer term form of violence that destroys families and lives over a period of time. And it's just part of the complex system that's in place to fuck over the poor and minority groups. That alone is bad enough. But in the last decade they've ramped it up now to involve more and more outright murder. Solving situations with guns that for anyone else would be tazed or deescalated through normal means.

What then is your solution? Seriously. What do you think they can do that they haven't already done to get the police to stop murdering them in broad daylight? These are people who are filled with rage and desperation, they feel like they have nothing more to lose. Don't forget that the first two of these protests were peaceful. The police fired teargas and rubber bullets at them. When your peaceful march is met with unwarranted violence the only way to meet that is with violence in return. It's sad, but it's a fact. You will never appeal to the better nature of your oppressor. They don't have one. No one has ever gotten a boot off of their neck by asking politely.

Thats a claim I havent heard before. Do you have a source?

CruelBuffalo posted...

https://twitter.com/angelanissel/status/1266739446558257152

Im glad more people are seeing how like in Oakland white people have been co-opting BLM to do anarchy dumb shit and then this is blamed on BLM movement

you realize this is the propaganda that police is trying to spread? they want to make it look like black people aren't angry and don't have legitimate grievances and de-legitimize the larger significance of the protests
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

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CruelBuffalo posted...

police buildings with that shit.

they did

they burned down the 3rd pct

If I was a small business owner I'd be furious with the cops. I'm not coddling the protesters but this shit simply would not have happened if not for decades of ignored brutality.

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Toedysseus posted...

If I was a small business owner I'd be furious with the cops. I'm not coddling the protesters but this shit simply would not have happened if not for decades of ignored brutality.

This. Furthermore the cops should be protesting these businesses. Not the fucking murderer.

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NeoShadowhen posted...

Thats a claim I havent heard before. Do you have a source?

Actually i'm willing to retract that claim. After I made the post I did some digging on the numbers that were used. The math was super convoluted, they basically did a bunch of statistical math using the murder rate, the ratio of black men killed by cops, and some other stats. It was real mental gymnastic shit. In short, the problem is bad enough without making hyperbolic claims that can only be backed up with sketchy math. I apologize and will edit the post to reflect it.

EDIT: it won't let me edit it ;p

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you would have this take tc
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https://twitter.com/mynameschazz/status/1266604885002223616

Butterfiles posted...

you realize this is the propaganda that police is trying to spread? they want to make it look like black people aren't angry and don't have legitimate grievances and de-legitimize the larger significance of the protests
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

the fuck you talking about? Black people are rightfully angry. Thats why they protesting and created the whole BLM. This post is incoherent.

ThisGuyAreSick posted...

you would have this take tc

*yawn* alt account. Be a big boy and post on your main.

CruelBuffalo posted...

the fuck you talking about? Black people are rightfully angry. Thats why they protesting and created the whole BLM. This post is incoherent.

I'm saying that the claims of outside agitators (anarchist/Antifa/altright/etc) are mostly BS to discredit the actual movement going on. This happens pretty much every protest for example in Ferguson:
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/jail-records-odds-ferguson-cops-claims-outsiders-causing/story?id=25038886

The idea is that people who want to quell the riots can use the threat of "outside agitators" to justify increased police actions, militarization, etc. that inevitably end up harming the vast majority of the normal protesters under the guise of protection

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CruelBuffalo posted...

French peasants werent burning the houses of other French peasants

Bingo

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Um what. Large chains (Target) and police stations were affected. But either way, it's not okay to vandalize and burn down. Good people are losing their jobs either way. We need to do better and not resort to this

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Agreed. Fuck them. At least target something that makes fuckin sense

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CruelBuffalo posted...

*yawn* alt account. Be a big boy and post on your main.

oh shit mb hold on one sec
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whats good
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ThisGuyAreSick posted...

whats good

Clearly not you. God bless.

CruelBuffalo posted...

Clearly not you. God bless.

was this supposed to be a zinger
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