Current Events > Preliminary autopsy report of George Floyd DOESNT support asphyxiation diagnosis

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So the public complaint is available now. No clue where to find it but details should be available soon. According to someone calling in who found it:

"the hennepin county medical examiner conducted the autopsy on 5/26"

Preliminary findings: "no physical findings that support traumatic asphyxiation to support a diagnosis of traumatic strangulation or asphyxiation"

Floyd had 'underlying conditions of "coronary artery disease" and "hypertensive heart disease" and the combination of the police force on him likely contributed.'

The knee was on Floyd's neck for 8 mins and 46 seconds, and Floyd was unresponsive for I think 2 mins and 56 seconds is what they said.

I was transcribing so not everything is 100% garmmatically clean, but I tried to ensure all the buzzwords were correct.

So this is going to be bad. Chauvin's attorney is the one who got the Philando Castille cop free. It's legit possible Chauvin walks free too if the lawyer can pin it all on Floyd's underlying conditions.

Will try to find link to full report, should be easier to find soon.

SOURCE:

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protest-updates-05-28-20/index.html

Floyd was "non-responsive" for nearly 3 minutes before officer took knee off his neck, complaint says

The combined effect of George Floyd being restrained by the police, along with his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system, "likely contributed to his death," according to the criminal complaint for former Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin.

Floyd had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease, the complaint said, citing a preliminary autopsy conducted by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner.

Chauvin had his knee on Floyd's neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds in total, and 2 minutes and 53 seconds after Floyd was unresponsive, the complaint said.

The complaint noted that police are trained that this type of restraint with a subject in a "prone position is inherently dangerous."

Floyd's autopsy also found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

The autopsy was included in the criminal complaint released by the Hennepin County Attorney's Office in the arrest of Chauvin.

Chauvin has been charged withthird-degree murder and manslaughter, according to Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman.

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Theres no way this cop walks, hes getting long prison time

I wonder how much the examiner was paid.

I really don't care what kind of bullshit they try to come up with, he was 100% murdered, full stop.

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Welp. Kiss Minneapolis goodbye
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So you can beat someone to death but as long as he has a heart attack during the beating its fine? It will be a ridiculous injustice if he somehow gets off on that ludicrous defense.

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Wow, I'm not surprised but wow. This country is going to go fucking nuclear.

Is this gonna be like the Charlottesville crap where people try to be like "It wasn't the car hitting her that killed her she just happened to have a heart attack at that exact moment"

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I think they'd still get him on manslaughter because he caused those underlying conditions to be deadly

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dont think it really matters. excessive force is excessive force, he might not have choked out but having someones knee on your neck like that could easily set off a heart attack.

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Doom_Art posted...

Is this gonna be like the Charlottesville crap where people try to be like "It wasn't the car hitting her that killed her she just happened to have a heart attack at that exact moment"

yes

joe40001 posted...

I wonder how much the examiner was paid.

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BathroomWater posted...

So you can beat someone to death but as long as he has a heart attack during the beating its fine? It will be a ridiculous injustice if he somehow gets off on that ludicrous defense.

People have used that to say that Eric Garner wasn't murdered by police. And sadly it will probably be used this time as well.

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Sure and Epstein committed suicide via hanging.

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If he gets off, Minneapolis is going to burn to the ground. That's not a threat or a desire from me. I don't see any reason for them to sacrifice an entire city to protect a dirty cop.

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unless if they can prove that he coincidentally had a heart attack when the cop was kneeling on Floyd's neck, idk what difference this makes

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No source?
Seems legit!

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Awesome posted...

Theres no way this cop walks

Oh honey

They will find any technicality they can to get this man off scot-free

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boxington posted...

idk what difference this makes

It doesn't but lawyers are good at spinning it so that it does.

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Doom_Art posted...

Is this gonna be like the Charlottesville crap where people try to be like "It wasn't the car hitting her that killed her she just happened to have a heart attack at that exact moment"

100%

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joe40001 posted...

I wonder how much the examiner was paid.

I really don't care what kind of bullshit they try to come up with, he was 100% murdered, full stop.

So even if evidence suggests otherwise, you would still think he is guilty and refuse to believe anything? Interesting. Hopefully you arent on any juries.

I read that his family is already having an independent autopsy done because they dont trust the city to do it right

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Oh they really need to consider the state of this country before they do this. Holy shit. No. This is going to be bad.

Can't lack of oxygen trigger cardiac strain leading heart attacks? This seems awfully lot like a "Guns don't kill people, bullets and people do" sleight of hand.

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Well didnt the report say he died at the hospital instead of at the place he was arrested at?

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TheGoldenEel posted...

I read that his family is already having an independent autopsy done because they dont trust the city to do it right

As they should.


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ohiostate124 posted...

So even if evidence suggests otherwise, you would still think he is guilty and refuse to believe anything? Interesting.

The video evidence of Chauvins knee on Floyds neck is pretty damning evidence itself. How anyone can watch that video and suggest that it played no part in Floyd dying is willfully ignorant.

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Taharqa_ posted...

As they should.

And what happens if this independent party comes to the same conclusion?

TheGoldenEel posted...

I read that his family is already having an independent autopsy done because they dont trust the city to do it right

That's smart but would it even be usable in court?

Ok he died of a heart attack brought on by extreme stress of a guy using his neck as his balance. Dude by the end of it, it appears he urinated, he was foaming at the mouth and not responsive.

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"He'd didn't kill him, he just exasberaterd conditions by cutting off his airflow and THAT killed him"


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the fact that it was an even an autopsy was disgusting and his family should be infuriated.

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VanananaHeyHey posted...

Can't lack of oxygen trigger cardiac strain leading heart attacks? This seems awfully lot like a "Guns don't kill people, bullets and people do" sleight of hand.

Yes. I've seen people try to say covid deaths arent legit with this logic as well.

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thronedfire2 posted...

I think they'd still get him on manslaughter because he caused those underlying conditions to be deadly

this was my first thought too.

how is an underlying condition a scapegoat, if anything it shows no forethought was given to the persons safety.

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ohiostate124 posted...

And what happens if this independent party comes to the same conclusion?

The point is getting an independent party in on this.

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Minneapolis is completely doomed.

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I cant believe the medical examiner didnt ignore all his training and the facts, he should have just gone along with all the raging mobs and looters and arsonists!!!

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The combined effect of George Floyd being restrained by the police, along with his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system, "likely contributed to his death," according to the criminal complaint for former Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin.

uh oh

Trash

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BathroomWater posted...

So you can beat someone to death but as long as he has a heart attack during the beating its fine? It will be a ridiculous injustice if he somehow gets off on that ludicrous defense.

This

its still murder

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Garioshi posted...

Minneapolis is completely doomed.

if anyone is on CE and reading it. might be time to get out of there.
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If this cop gets off, shit is going down. And its Summer so good weather? Get ready for protests and riots.

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People are angry and they should be.

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Wow, choking someone and causing them difficulty in breathing can cause them to have a heart attack?

"I didn't kill him. His heart stopped"

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Oh okay, I guess him dying of a heart attack justifies have a knee to your neck for 8 minutes, which 3 of them were when he's past out.

Tooooootally okay now

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He can still be charged and convicted of 3rd degree murder. Basically he didnt intend to kill, but acted without regard for human life. Performing an unsafe restraint led to choking, which ultimately led to a heart attack. So the officer is looking at up to 15 years in prison.

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scorpion41 posted...

He can still be charged and convicted of 3rd degree murder. Basically he didnt intend to kill, but acted without regard for human life. Performing an unsafe restraint led to choking, which ultimately led to a heart attack. So the officer is looking at up to 15 years in prison.

I don;t get how the "He didn't intend to kill" line works when the guy said he couldn't breathe, then went limp and a ton of people said "Stop! he can't breathe! You're killing him!" for several minutes

How can you argue intent wasn't there at that point? Is the cop deaf and blind?
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His actions obviously contributed but hell probably get a lesser charge.

wait what about the blood ?

doesnt something like what the cop did to him cut blood flow to the brain ?

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UnfairRepresent posted...

I don;t get how the "He didn't intend to kill" line works when the guy said he couldn't breathe, then went limp and a ton of people said "Stop! he can't breathe! You're killing him!" for several minutes

How can you argue intent wasn't there at that point? Is the cop deaf and blind?

You cant prove his intent. You can speculate it, but speculation is not how court works. Unless he said something to implicate his intent to kill the man, admits intent, or they can find something tangible to indicate intent all theyd be doing is trying to jail him for a thought he MIGHT have had. Thats why hes being charged with 3rd degree murder. Gives the prosecution the best case. Nothing else sticks.

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