Current Events > Preliminary autopsy report of George Floyd DOESNT support asphyxiation diagnosis

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Bass_X0 posted...

Edgeworth has the updated autopsy report.

Link?

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abaddon41_80 posted...

This is why the officer should still, at the very least, be charged with manslaughter. He might not have been able to save Floyd at the point he put his knee on his neck but he sure as hell could have done something to help a man clearly in distress.

save? help?

the cop was who Floyd needed to be saved from, as he was the cause of his distress. removing the cop from his neck would have helped him.

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whitelytning posted...

Murder in the first doesn't apply because it wasn't premeditated.

Premeditation can be pinned on little to no evidence. An opportunity to think about the crime you are about to commit has been used. You'd have to look into Minnesota state law to figure out the precedent there.

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I am seeing things saying they were coworkers for nearly 17 years.

boxington posted...

save? help?

the cop was who Floyd needed to be saved from, as he was the cause of his distress. removing the cop from his neck would have helped him.

The cop allowing Floyd to get up might have helped. Until the full autopsy, and an independent second autopsy, come out we will not know. This preliminary report makes it seem like the officer wasn't choking Floyd. For the record, restraining and choking someone are not synonyms. To quote the report again,

The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.

and,

no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxiation or strangulation,

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Are we really trying to argue that kneeling on someone's neck isn't choking them

Is that where we're at right now

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joe40001 posted...

I wonder how much the examiner was paid.

I really don't care what kind of bullshit they try to come up with, he was 100% murdered, full stop.

Lmao. You're ridiculous.

CableZL posted...

Are we really trying to argue that kneeling on someone's neck isn't choking them

Is that where we're at right now

The absolute state of this fucking country.

vladbots goin HAM over this is disgusting

ohiostate124 posted...

uh oh

Your ass is going to be sore when the killer cop gets 25 in prison.

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Derek Chauvin was told that George Floyd didn't have a pulse and he still didn't get off of his neck.

Dude was dead and the fucker didn't give two shits.

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ReiRei89 posted...

Your ass is going to be sore when the killer cop gets 25 in prison.

No it isnt?

CableZL posted...

Are we really trying to argue that kneeling on someone's neck isn't choking them

Is that where we're at right now

I do not know if you are purposely missing the point or just so blinded by rage you cannot see it. If it is the latter, I totally understand because Floyd begging for help in the video is heartbreaking.

The point is, though, that the preliminary results do not seem to support the officer was "kneeling on someone's neck." The preliminary report apparently states the examiner found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxiation or strangulation."

As I have repeatedly stated, the video does not show how much pressure the officer was exerting on Floyd's neck. You sit here and act like the video is proof positive that the officer was "choking" Floyd because Floyd was having trouble breathing but this preliminary autopsy does not support that belief.

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Ive seen the same handful of people this whole week going so far out of their way to defend this cop. Crazy.

I am not defending the officer, for the record, I think he should be charged with manslaughter or some type of negligent homicide at the very least, or whatever similar charge Minnesota has. Floyd was clearly unconscious, or close to it, and the officer made no attempt to do anything attempt it. That alone is worth serious jail time in my mind.

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abaddon41_80 posted...

The point is, though, that the preliminary results do not seem to support the officer was "kneeling on someone's neck."

We have a video of the officer kneeling on his neck for an extended period of time. If you're lying on your stomach and someone is kneeling on your neck, it's going to make it difficult for your chest cavity to expand in order to breathe.

Even after officer was told that George Floyd had no pulse, he still kept kneeling on his neck.

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abaddon41_80 posted...

The problem is that the video evidence does not show how much pressure was being applied, that is why we have to wait for the autopsy results to be finalized.

Floyd saying he cannot breathe does not prove that the officer was depriving him of oxygen. If the preliminary report is true there is a very real possibility Floyd was having trouble breathing because of his, and I am quoting the preliminary results here, "underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system."

We have to wait for the full results of the autopsy before we have all of the information. I am not sure why that upsets some of you so much. I have watched the video repeatedly, and it makes me sick to watch it. I cannot even watch horror movies because people begging for their lives nauseates me and makes me want to throw up. That video simply does not show if the officer was actually applying enough pressure to cause Floyd's labored breathing.

The fact that he fucking passed out is proof that he was being deprived of oxygen you bootlicker.

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abaddon41_80 posted...

Floyd was clearly unconscious, or close to it, and the officer made no attempt to do anything attempt it.

The officer was directly told that Floyd had no pulse and he still didn't get off of his neck.

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BlueBoy675 posted...

The fact that he fucking passed out is proof that he was being deprived of oxygen you bootlicker.

More like deprived of blood due the knee on the artery.

ohiostate124 posted...

More like deprived of blood due the knee on the artery.

And really, if we break that down...

Basic knowledge of human body function...

Breathing puts oxygen-rich air into our lungs, which gets aborbed by our blood cells. The blood cells carry oxygen the various organs of our body.

So if you're depriving the brain of blood by restricting the flow of blood in your carotid arteries and restricting the range of movement of his chest cavity for an extended period of time by laying him on his stomach and kneeling on his neck, then it both makes it harder to breathe AND makes said troubled breathing much less efficient.

So trying to argue that he wasn't being choked seems rather idiotic.

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CableZL posted...

We have a video of the officer kneeling on his neck for an extended period of time. If you're lying on your stomach and someone is kneeling on your neck, it's going to make it difficult for your chest cavity to expand in order to breathe.

Even after officer was told that George Floyd had no pulse, he still kept kneeling on his neck.

Again with the "kneeling on his neck" thing. Are you just ignoring the preliminary autopsy report?

BlueBoy675 posted...

The fact that he fucking passed out is proof that he was being deprived of oxygen you bootlicker.

Yes. Exactly. No one is denying he was having trouble breathing and deprived of oxygen. No one is denying that. The point is, again, the preliminary autopsy seems to imply it was, and I quote, The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death. At no point, so far, does it mention he was choked. It actually states that, "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxiation or strangulation."

If you want to argue that the report is fake, that is fine. Just please let me know if that is your argument.

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abaddon41_80 posted...

Again with the "kneeling on his neck" thing. Are you just ignoring the preliminary autopsy report?

Are you ignoring the video of the officer kneeling on his neck?

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CableZL posted...

So trying to argue that he wasn't being choked seems rather idiotic.

The coroner is stating that he wasn't being choked. Is this really that hard to understand?

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CableZL posted...

Are you ignoring the video of the officer kneeling on his neck?

As I stated, I have watched the video several times. It does not prove how much force was being exerted onto Floyd's neck, not in the slightest.

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abaddon41_80 posted...

As I stated, I have watched the video several times. It does not prove how much force was being exerted onto Floyd's neck, not in the slightest.

It shouldn't be that hard to understand that it would be hard to breathe if you're laying on your stomach and someone is kneeling on your neck, for reasons I've already outlined.

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The police officers knew he didn't have a pulse while they were still on top of him for an extended period of time. Still didn't move. The police officers killed him, were aware that he no longer had a pulse, and still didn't do shit to help him.

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CableZL posted...

It shouldn't be that hard to understand that it would be hard to breathe if you're laying on your stomach and someone is kneeling on your neck, for reasons I've already outlined.

You do understand that kneeling on someone's neck is not the same as having your knee on someone's neck, right? There is a very big distinction between kneeling, meaning put your weight down, on someone's neck and having your knee on their neck as a restraint with your weight not pushing down.

That is what should not be hard to understand. The video does not show us enough to make the distinction, which is why we need the autopsy to show which one it was.

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abaddon41_80 posted...

You do understand that kneeling on someone's neck is not the same as having your knee on someone's neck, right? There is a very big distinction between kneeling, meaning put your weight down, on someone's neck and having your knee on their neck as a restraint with your weight not pushing down.

That is what should not be hard to understand. The video does not show us enough to make the distinction, which is why we need the autopsy to show which one it was.

The video absolutely does show us everything we need to see.

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Ive said it in a few of these topics.

It was positional asphyxiation. Youre taught to avoid keeping a handcuffed subject proned out in his chest and stomach for prolonged periods of time due to the pavement and restraint positions creating undue stress on the subjects ability to expand the chest cavity for air.

No air, and the subject goes into cardiac arrest.

Chauvins knee in the neck likely exacerbated the issue to an even more extreme degree.

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abaddon41_80 posted...

You do understand that kneeling on someone's neck is not the same as having your knee on someone's neck, right? There is a very big distinction between kneeling, meaning put your weight down, on someone's neck and having your knee on their neck as a restraint with your weight not pushing down.

That is what should not be hard to understand. The video does not show us enough to make the distinction, which is why we need the autopsy to show which one it was.

Uhh yeah, the video does show us enough.

Unless you're trying to argue that it's just a complete coincidence that George Floyd was repeatedly complaining about breathing while laying on his stomach with the officer kneeling on his neck, and it's a complete coincidence that he died in that position with the officer still kneeling on his neck, then the video does pretty much show us everything.

And if we look at Derek Chauvin's body positioning with images from the back of Chauvin, it looks like he's probably kneeling on his neck AND his back at the same time. He's leaning forward, which would mean his body weight is shifted toward his knees as well.

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People are idiots. Honestly if i saw that i would have gone after the cops and probably been shot.

Conflict posted...

Yeah apparently they knew each other and worked as bouncers and had a falling out

I dunno how reliable that story is though

The woman who owned the club literally vouched that they both worked there.
She can't confirm if they knew each other on a personal level though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkVdejbq_Xk

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Imagine being a police officer peacefully sitting on a man's neck for eight short minutes only to find out that the man beneath you has died of underlining health issues and you're now being unfairly blamed for his death.

If you believe in any way that the officer is the victim in this scenario, you're probably a white supremacist. This was an open and shut case of murder.

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Gen5_AppleJack posted...

Well didnt the report say he died at the hospital instead of at the place he was arrested at?

He didn't have pulse when EMT found first got to him.

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FortuneCookie posted...

Imagine being a police officer peacefully sitting on a man's neck for eight short minutes only to find out that the man beneath you has died of underlining health issues and you're now being unfairly blamed for his death.

If you believe in any way that the officer is the victim in this scenario, you're probably a white supremacist. This was an open and shut case of murder.

i actually love topics like these, because the clowns who defend the police officers out themselves very easily. you can just tag them appropriately and move on.

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Conflict posted...

Abaddon's been at this clown shit for several days now. Y'all wasting your breath

So has that other tool

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Patchwork posted...

Ive said it in a few of these topics.

It was positional asphyxiation. Youre taught to avoid keeping a handcuffed subject proned out in his chest and stomach for prolonged periods of time due to the pavement and restraint positions creating undue stress on the subjects ability to expand the chest cavity for air.

No air, and the subject goes into cardiac arrest.

Chauvins knee in the neck likely exacerbated the issue to an even more extreme degree.

This is exactly why the report states, "the combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.

I am not defending the officer of wrongdoing by any means. My argument is against the people who repeatedly mention Floyd was "strangled" or that the officer "kneeling on Floyd's neck." If this report is to be believed, these are sensationalized and arguably factually incorrect statements.

The officer was in the wrong for not attending to Floyd as soon as he started saying he was having trouble breathing. The officer was really in the wrong for continuing to not do anything once Floyd seemingly passed out. He should be charged with some form of manslaughter based on how he handled this situation but the evidence does not support charging him with 1st or 2nd degree murder.

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I am just curious, what do the people who disagree with the charges think about the preliminary statements from the autopsy? That it is wrong, or falsified?

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Well yeah. If he could talk he could breath to some extent.

I thought most peoples estimate was that the cops knee had restricted blood flow to Floyds brain.

Doesnt really matter though. Floyd is dead. The cops are at fault. End of story.

abaddon41_80

.What the fuck is wrong with you . YOU DO NOT PUT YOU KNEE ON SOMEONE'S NECK . Watching out for the neck is something that gets hammed in over and over and putting knee on it. To top that off the cop has his need on a man's knee for 8 mins , 3 of those minds the person was no responsive. And you are defending that shit.

Kami_no_Kami
Do me a favor start singing a one , and have someone slowly start choke you. You breathing will be impacted before you are unable to sing at all.

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cjsdowg posted...

What the fuck is wrong with you . YOU DO NOT PUT YOU KNEE ON SOMEONE'S NECK . Watching out for the neck is something that gets hammed in over and over and putting knee on it. To top that off the cop has his need on a man's knee for 8 mins , 3 of those minds the person was no responsive. And you are defending that shit.

I have said several times I am not defending the officer's actions and he needs to go to prison for a very long time.

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Positional asphyxiation and excited delirium deaths have been a focus of police training since the 90s. It was my initial assessment, and it seems to be jiving with what the autopsy report might be saying.

For those whove never heard of excited delirium:

https://journals.lww.com/amjforensicmedicine/Abstract/1993/12000/Restraint_Asphyxiation_in_Excited_Delirium.4.aspx

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abaddon41_80 posted...

I am just curious, what do the people who disagree with the charges think about the preliminary statements from the autopsy? That it is wrong, or falsified?

It's hard to know what to think, honestly. I would like to think that the idea of the medical examiner falsifying the report is farfetched, but we have already seen falsehoods in the police report.

I'd like to think that police officers lying on a police report is farfetched, too, but it's more common than I think anyone is wanting to admit.

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CableZL posted...

I'd like to think that police officers lying on a police report is farfetched, too, but it's more common than I think anyone is wanting to admit.

I've seen it firsthand. Lying to the press, lying on the stand, being impeached on the stand and trying the same lies afterwards again, shitty stuff.

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abaddon41_80 posted...

This is exactly why the report states, "the combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.

I am not defending the officer of wrongdoing by any means. My argument is against the people who repeatedly mention Floyd was "strangled" or that the officer "kneeling on Floyd's neck." If this report is to be believed, these are sensationalized and arguably factually incorrect statements.

The officer was in the wrong for not attending to Floyd as soon as he started saying he was having trouble breathing. The officer was really in the wrong for continuing to not do anything once Floyd seemingly passed out. He should be charged with some form of manslaughter based on how he handled this situation but the evidence does not support charging him with 1st or 2nd degree murder.

The autopsy report states specifically that he wasn't 'traumatically' asphyxiated or strangled. Traumatic vs non-traumatic is a big difference. So it's incorrect for you to say that he wasn't strangled or asphyxiated as the autopsy report only specified it wasn't done traumatically.


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Hes on his stomach handcuffed, with a piece of shit kneeling on his neck. Hes yelling I can't breathe. That cop and the one who watched should be in jail for a long time.

joe40001 posted...

I wonder how much the examiner was paid.

I really don't care what kind of bullshit they try to come up with, he was 100% murdered, full stop.

This.

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so he's not a murderer?

so why did these people start burning their city down again