Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 299: George Floyd

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Jakyl25
05/29/20 1:22:12 PM
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The idea that the arc of history bends towards justice is nonsense
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red sox 777
05/29/20 1:30:11 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
The idea that the arc of history bends towards justice is nonsense

Thank you!

If some Biden supporters would sincerely acknowledge this I would consider voting for him.

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SmartMuffin
05/29/20 1:46:55 PM
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https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1266397687915692032

Note: Trump never said anything about black people. He did threaten "looters." This is Warren's version of the old Biden classic "Poor kids can be just as smart as white kids."

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Jakyl25
05/29/20 1:47:07 PM
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SephG posted...
Anyway, the correct response here is to do nothing.


I dunno, Im down for any response where the community nonviolently takes possession of a police station and launches fireworks to celebrate driving them out
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iiaattgg
05/29/20 1:47:15 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Why did it take two days

What cause for arrest do they have now that they didnt have then
Realities such as the fact arresting any officer for a crime like that creates major legal headaches for local and state police, states attorneys, probation, jails, etc that will go far beyond what he did to mr floyd and they wanted to make sure they had their ducks in a row

However they clearly miscalculated what would transpire in that time and it created a much much larger problem for them

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Jakyl25
05/29/20 1:48:03 PM
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SmartMuffin posted...
Note: Trump never said anything about black people. He did threaten "looters." This is Warren's version of the old Biden classic "Poor kids can be just as smart as white kids."


Its because he used the word Thugs, which is heavily racial historically
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HeroDelTiempo17
05/29/20 1:48:05 PM
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damn that's some bait

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red sox 777
05/29/20 1:49:22 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Its because he used the word Thugs, which is heavily racial historically

The word "thugs" applies very well to looters. Whatever racial association it may have historically its association with looting and other violent crime is at least 10 times stronger.

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FFDragon
05/29/20 1:49:27 PM
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Trump has made it REAL hard not to vote for Biden the last few days.

But if he picks Warren (or Harris) for VP I might just vomit while voting for that ticket.

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Jakyl25
05/29/20 1:50:44 PM
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iiaattgg posted...
they wanted to make sure they had their ducks in a row


Minnesota colloquially calls the game Duck Duck Goose, Duck Duck Grey Duck

They will never have their ducks in a row
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red sox 777
05/29/20 1:51:25 PM
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Elizabeth Warren is disingenuous to the max. I'll vote for Biden if Trump picks her as his VP.

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HeroDelTiempo17
05/29/20 1:58:44 PM
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FFDragon posted...
Trump has made it REAL hard not to vote for Biden the last few days.

But if he picks Warren (or Harris) for VP I might just vomit while voting for that ticket.

In what reality do you live in where either of those two are even remotely as bad as Biden to make them your line in the sand?

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Grimlyn
05/29/20 2:01:45 PM
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Klobb is the vomit VP

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Dancedreamer
05/29/20 2:02:20 PM
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It's funny the difference in response to protests by Trump.

White Supremacists march in Charlottesville and kill a girl? "Fine people on both sides!"
Black Man peacefully protests by kneeling during the national anthem? "He's a SON OF A BITCH!"
Riots break out. "Shoot them!"

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Jakyl25
05/29/20 2:03:00 PM
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The whole idea of the VP must be a woman is still so colossally idiotic and missing the point
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TheRock1525
05/29/20 2:03:46 PM
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"Internal investigation." Hey cool, just like the internal investigation they had with George Floyd being accused of check forgery. Obviously they waited a few days to confirm this and then arrived at his house and peacefully arrested him.

What's this? Oh, they actually arrested him instantly and then murdered him instead?

Oh.

Ooooooooooh...


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red sox 777
05/29/20 2:05:01 PM
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At this point, the only people in the D tent that are not obnoxious to me are:

Bernie Sanders
Tulsi Gabbard
Andrew Yang
Marianne Williamson
Pete Buttigieg
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Everyone else is a dealbreaker (including Biden).

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Grimlyn
05/29/20 2:05:05 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
The whole idea of the VP must be a woman is still so colossally idiotic and missing the point
hey whatever it takes to cut Buttigieg off the list

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Corrik7
05/29/20 2:07:56 PM
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Did someone in the last topic call the cop a white supremacist? lolol

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HeroDelTiempo17
05/29/20 2:09:07 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
The whole idea of the VP must be a woman is still so colossally idiotic and missing the point

What point is it missing?

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Jakyl25
05/29/20 2:14:03 PM
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...


What point is it missing?


Quotas are a pandering, demeaning way to make social progress

Yes its better than NOTHING. But the point is to create equal opportunities
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HeroDelTiempo17
05/29/20 2:16:36 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Quotas are a pandering, demeaning way to make social progress

Yes its better than NOTHING. But the point is to create equal opportunities

I don't think anyone is acting like it's sufficient. I think it's viewed as a bare minimum effort necessary. If people are holding it up to prove that sexism is over the yes, it's missing the point.

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red sox 777
05/29/20 2:16:46 PM
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It's also really bad politics if you announce that you are using a quota. That will hurt you with the majority of voters.

If you want to nominate a woman as VP, don't announce beforehand that you're doing it to fill a quota. Say that you picked her because she was the best person for the job. And if you can't say that honestly for any person, then you should pick someone else.

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Jakyl25
05/29/20 2:18:56 PM
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Officer charged with 3rd Degree Murder

They said that these charges for an officer would normally take 9 months to a year, but theyve done it in 4 days

Sounds like the protests sped things up
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TheRock1525
05/29/20 2:19:38 PM
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I think the larger message should be that the heads of state should be reflective of our society, and while we cannot control who is picked for the presidency, we can for the VP.

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Corrik7
05/29/20 2:19:53 PM
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The justice system pandering to public opinion is always a bad thing.

This now signals to the public that anytime they want something to riot.

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red sox 777
05/29/20 2:22:00 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
I think the larger message should be that the heads of state should be reflective of our society, and while we cannot control who is picked for the presidency, we can for the VP.

Who is "we?" If it's Joe Biden, that's exactly why him announcing that he will pick a woman for VP is so demeaning.

If it's the voters, then we absolutely can control who is picked for the presidency.

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TheRock1525
05/29/20 2:23:10 PM
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Corrik7 posted...
The justice system pandering to public opinion is always a bad thing.

This now signals to the public that anytime they want something to riot.
Good. The whole point of public offices is to serve the will of the people. God knows we had to hear this nonsense when white people stormed the Michigan capital with guns complaining they couldn't get a haircut.

Don't want this to happen again? Push for real police reform. Stop. Murdering. Unarmed. Black. Men.

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Peace___Frog
05/29/20 2:23:44 PM
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Yeah i don't think you understand "the public", corrik

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Nelson_Mandela
05/29/20 2:24:02 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Officer charged with 3rd Degree Murder

They said that these charges for an officer would normally take 9 months to a year, but theyve done it in 4 days

Sounds like the protests sped things up
So do they stop now? What's the outcome measure they are looking for? Rioters need to start thinking more like accountants!

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pyresword
05/29/20 2:25:28 PM
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Corrik7 posted...
The justice system pandering to public opinion is always a bad thing.

This is only true if you assume the justice system to be infallible.
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HeroDelTiempo17
05/29/20 2:26:05 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
I think the larger message should be that the heads of state should be reflective of our society, and while we cannot control who is picked for the presidency, we can for the VP.

We literally can through voting but democracy doesn't always work for equality and when it fails that's where appointed positions (and semi-appointed positions like VP) can fill gaps

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Dark Young Link
05/29/20 2:26:40 PM
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The justice system serves us, it's not the other way around.

At least, it's not supposed to.

But of course you'd see this as "pandering", because the people protesting mean nothing to you.

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Nelson_Mandela
05/29/20 2:26:52 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
Don't want this to happen again? Push for real police reform. Stop. Murdering. Unarmed. Black. Men.
What's the measure for this so we know if progress is being made? Does every death of an unarmed black man need to result in a riot? Or is it only if the officer isn't arrested?

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Jakyl25
05/29/20 2:28:56 PM
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1266434153932894208?s=21

Corrik, you were saying that you were confused about what gaslighting meant.

Its this
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TheRock1525
05/29/20 2:30:53 PM
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
We literally can through voting but democracy doesn't always work for equality and when it fails that's where appointed positions (and semi-appointed positions like VP) can fill gaps
Sorry, I should have worded that better. That's what I meant, basically that the people choose the presidency but then those chosen can choose the VP.

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HeroDelTiempo17
05/29/20 2:31:19 PM
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Have we considered that Trump experiences causality backwards? It would explain a lot.

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TheRock1525
05/29/20 2:31:47 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
What's the measure for this so we know if progress is being made? Does every death of an unarmed black man need to result in a riot? Or is it only if the officer isn't arrested?
Every death of an unarmed suspect should result an immediate firing and disbarment from ever serving in a police force again. Bare minimum.

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red sox 777
05/29/20 2:33:24 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
What's the measure for this so we know if progress is being made? Does every death of an unarmed black man need to result in a riot? Or is it only if the officer isn't arrested?

In history, I don't think giving in to insurrection ever works. The insurrectionists just become ever more emboldened until they try to seize power by force.

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Jakyl25
05/29/20 2:34:08 PM
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Also does anyone have any info on the person who was shot and killed in Minneapolis that Trump mentioned? I dont want to assume hes making that up but with him you cant be sure
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Corrik7
05/29/20 2:34:20 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1266434153932894208?s=21

Corrik, you were saying that you were confused about what gaslighting meant.

Its this
I don't even know what he is saying let alone how that makes it gaslighting.

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Nelson_Mandela
05/29/20 2:35:21 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
Every death of an unarmed suspect should result an immediate firing and disbarment from ever serving in a police force again. Bare minimum.
That's what happened here though.

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Jakyl25
05/29/20 2:35:32 PM
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I thought you were an expert at deciphering Trump!
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PerfectChaosZ
05/29/20 2:35:46 PM
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The cop was let go and went to his house after video proof of him murdering a man for no reason. They dont need a year to faf around. Would anyone they were going to charge with murder be allowed to just go home? No, they would be held. They werent going to do anything to him before the protest. No peaceful protest in all of human history has ever made a difference. The powers that be only understand the language of fear and money and we dont have any money.
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TheRock1525
05/29/20 2:35:57 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
That's what happened here though.
Once. Out of a million times.

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Nelson_Mandela
05/29/20 2:37:26 PM
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PerfectChaosZ posted...
Would anyone they were going to charge with murder be allowed to just go home?
Are you suggesting that the police officers on scene arrest the arresting officer on the spot after Floyd died? I don't think that is a realistic expectation.

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Jakyl25
05/29/20 2:38:10 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
Are you suggesting that the police officers on scene arrest the arresting officer on the spot after Floyd died? I don't think that is a realistic expectation.


That sounds like a better police force than what they have at least
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Nelson_Mandela
05/29/20 2:38:33 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
Once. Out of a million times.
I'm not following. Why riot over an incident where the outcome was handled correctly? What else are you trying to achieve? Asking seriously because it needs to be asked.

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Dark Young Link
05/29/20 2:38:33 PM
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PerfectChaosZ posted...
The powers that be only understand the language of fear and money and we dont have any money.


Well said.

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UshiromiyaEva
05/29/20 2:38:51 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
That's what happened here though.

OK.

Let's go back and do the same for the dozens of other murders cops have commited.

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