Current Events > trump really is the master of gaslighting over coronavirus

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Bluebomber182
05/26/20 12:46:08 PM
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1265301249630654467

compared to this

https://twitter.com/PuestoLoco/status/1240280788761001984
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MC_BatCommander
05/26/20 12:47:04 PM
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He's talking about the death count as if the virus is gone... He does know more deaths are coming right?

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ghettoraider81
05/26/20 12:49:14 PM
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His China closure did little. The strain running through New York and the rest of the Northeast came from Europe.

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Bluebomber182
05/26/20 12:51:03 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
He's talking about the death count as if the virus is gone... He does know more deaths are coming right?


he asked the cdc to stop counting coronavirus related deaths a couple weeks back and they refused

hes gonna just ignore all future deaths from it
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monkmith
05/26/20 12:53:46 PM
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ghettoraider81 posted...
His China closure did little. The strain running through New York and the rest of the Northeast came from Europe.
it was also a toothless order, since it didn't stop business travel to and from china. all it did was act as a signal for his racist base.

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Secretly
05/26/20 12:55:35 PM
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monkmith posted...
it was also a toothless order, since it didn't stop business travel to and from china. all it did was act as a signal for his racist base.
Yeah, at least 400 thousand people came over from China since he passed that "ban". Yet it doesn't stop his Keyboard Warriors from ignoring reality and claiming he did an amazing job
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monkmith
05/26/20 12:56:21 PM
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Bluebomber182 posted...
he asked the cdc to stop counting coronavirus related deaths a couple weeks back and they refused

hes gonna just ignore all future deaths from it
he did succeed in getting them to mix the active infection test numbers with the antibody test numbers from recovered patients, all in the name of boosting that test number counter...

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ThunderTrain
05/26/20 1:03:54 PM
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Trump downplayed it for a month and a half to let things get this bad. He's done nothing at all for the country to help. He's let every state pretty much be on their own but when their governors do something he doesn't like he throws a fit and threatens them.

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Anteaterking
05/26/20 1:04:59 PM
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To be a successful gaslighter, don't you need to confuse people who don't already believe you?

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CanuckCowboy
05/26/20 1:09:40 PM
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Yeah not really masterful when anyone who wasnt already blindly supporting you reacts with, fuck me what an idiot this dude is.

master gaslighting would have people questioning themselves and changing their minds.

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Houston
05/26/20 1:13:42 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
He's talking about the death count as if the virus is gone... He does know more deaths are coming right?

Bluebomber182 posted...
he asked the cdc to stop counting coronavirus related deaths a couple weeks back and they refused

hes gonna just ignore all future deaths from it


???? "100,000 plus that looks like will be the number."

Are you two suggesting the numbers are going to double and triple?

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CanuckCowboy
05/26/20 1:15:05 PM
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Houston posted...
???? "100,000 plus that looks like will be the number."

Are you two suggesting the numbers are going to double and triple?

Does that somehow seem unreasonable to you?

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Hello_Hello_Hey
05/26/20 1:15:33 PM
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Certain people did say it was gonna kill millions...

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Bluebomber182
05/26/20 1:15:37 PM
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Houston posted...


???? "100,000 plus that looks like will be the number."

Are you two suggesting the numbers are going to double and triple?


the number is guaranteed to be at least 200k by december if not much earlier. the second wave is already happening
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DarthAragorn
05/26/20 1:16:00 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
Houston posted...
???? "100,000 plus that looks like will be the number."

Are you two suggesting the numbers are going to double and triple?

Does that somehow seem unreasonable to you?

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el_cheato
05/26/20 1:16:17 PM
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Houston posted...
???? "100,000 plus that looks like will be the number."

Are you two suggesting the numbers are going to double and triple?
They will. They absolutely will. Infections barely slowed down when states were locking down, and now they're lifting most restrictions. 300k seems optimistic at this point.

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Houston
05/26/20 1:18:05 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
Trump said it's done so it's done!

He didn't say it was done. He said 100k plus and looks like that will be the number. This means Trump believe it's not going to drastically increase, and I think that assessment is reasonable.

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Bluebomber182
05/26/20 1:19:21 PM
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Houston posted...


He didn't say it was done. He said 100k plus and looks like that will be the number. This means Trump believe it's not going to drastically increase, and I think that assessment is reasonable.


of course you do because you believe everything he says
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Secretly
05/26/20 1:20:04 PM
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Houston posted...
I think that assessment is reasonable.
You think literally everything Trump says is reasonable, so you're not a good judge.

We've had 100k deaths in about 2 months, it's absolutely idiotic to think that number won't at least double over the course of the year
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Houston
05/26/20 1:20:52 PM
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The fact of the matter is there's hardly any country (if any) that has the same life expectancy and comorbidities as us that completely outperformed our death rate. We outperformed death rates of many first world countries that have even a healthier population than we do.

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CanuckCowboy
05/26/20 1:21:11 PM
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Houston posted...
He didn't say it was done. He said 100k plus and looks like that will be the number. This means Trump believe it's not going to drastically increase, and I think that assessment is reasonable.

lol.

Literally trump says it so its true. Nevermind that hes been dead wrong about corona all along or that hes pulling all this shit out of his ass and actively ignoring people who actually know what theyre taking about.

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Houston
05/26/20 1:22:47 PM
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Secretly posted...
You think literally everything Trump says is reasonable, so you're not a good judge.

We've had 100k deaths in about 2 months, it's absolutely idiotic to think that number won't at least double over the course of the year

The death rate seems to be decreasing quite a bit, so I'm not so sure about that.

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CanuckCowboy
05/26/20 1:23:14 PM
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Houston posted...
The fact of the matter is there's hardly any country (if any) that has the same life expectancy and comorbidities as us that completely outperformed our death rate. We outperformed death rates of many first world countries that have even a healthier population than we do.

did you read that in a trump tweet too? Sure seems like it. The us barely cracks the top 50 for life expectancy bud. Sorry to burt your bubble.

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el_cheato
05/26/20 1:23:20 PM
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Houston posted...
The death rate seems to be decreasing quite a bit, so I'm not so sure about that.
It is not.

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Secretly
05/26/20 1:24:08 PM
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Houston posted...
The death rate seems to be decreasing quite a bit
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Houston
05/26/20 1:25:58 PM
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el_cheato posted...
It is not.

According to Google it seems to be. Type in "corona virus deaths" and it brings up a chart. Select "deaths" then select "all regions"

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UnfairRepresent
05/26/20 1:27:31 PM
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He's not really a master

He just blatantly obviously lies and his supporters don't care.
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Tired-Insomniac
05/26/20 1:27:32 PM
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Bluebomber182 posted...
the second wave is already happening

The first wave isn't even over yet

I wouldn't be surprised if we hit 500k by end of year if all restrictions get lifted.

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CanuckCowboy
05/26/20 1:28:42 PM
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Houston posted...
According to Google it seems to be. Type in "corona virus deaths" and it brings up a chart. Select "deaths" then select "all regions"

According to the who the re-opening could easily see the death rate double in june.

So...

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el_cheato
05/26/20 1:28:57 PM
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Houston posted...
According to Google it seems to be. Type in "corona virus deaths" and it brings up a chart. Select "deaths" then select "all regions"
If nobody else gets infected, and if 5% of the 1.5 million currently infected and alive in the US die, that's 75,000 deaths. Considering there is no reason to think infections will subside after all the states continue to open up and more events get put on, 75,000 appears to be an unrealistic best case scenario. Doubling our current casualties to 200k is very close to that unrealistically optimistic scenario.

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marc55
05/26/20 1:32:25 PM
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monkmith posted...
it was also a toothless order, since it didn't stop business travel to and from china. all it did was act as a signal for his racist base.
and it wasnt early either

other 40+ countries had their bans in place before trump

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KStateKing17
05/26/20 1:32:26 PM
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So 100,000 is a success even though he claimed it wouldn't get that high. Meanwhile he's blaming Joe Biden for the handling of the H1N1 virus that killed about 12,000.

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Secretly
05/26/20 1:33:14 PM
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el_cheato posted...
If nobody else gets infected, and if 5% of the 1.5 million currently infected and alive in the US die, that's 75,000 deaths. Considering there is no reason to think infections will subside after all the states continue to open up and more events get put on, 75,000 appears to be an unrealistic best case scenario. Doubling our current casualties to 200k is very close to that unrealistically optimistic scenario.
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ThunderTrain
05/26/20 1:34:15 PM
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KStateKing17 posted...
So 100,000 is a success even though he claimed it wouldn't get that high. Meanwhile he's blaming Joe Biden for the handling of the H1N1 virus that killed about 12,000.

Remember when the US had 15 cases and he said they had it under control and it'd be 0 soon?

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Houston
05/26/20 1:35:13 PM
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el_cheato posted...
If nobody else gets infected, and if 5% of the 1.5 million currently infected and alive in the US die, that's 75,000 deaths. Considering there is no reason to think infections will subside after all the states continue to open up and more events get put on, 75,000 appears to be an unrealistic best case scenario. Doubling our current casualties to 200k is very close to that unrealistically optimistic scenario.

I don't think that's accurate. It took us 3 months to get to 100k deaths. You expect 75k more within a few weeks? (Assuming those who currently have it die, they'll probably die from it within a few weeks)

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el_cheato
05/26/20 1:36:23 PM
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Houston posted...
I don't think that's accurate. It took us 3 months to get to 100k deaths. You expect 75k more within a few weeks? (Assuming those who currently have it die, they'll probably die from it within a few weeks)
Yes. That is the nature of exponential growth. The faster it gets, the faster it gets. Most damage is done towards the end.

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Houston
05/26/20 1:37:32 PM
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el_cheato posted...
Yes. That is the nature of exponential growth. The faster it gets, the faster it gets. Most damage is done towards the end.

Let's check back with each other in two weeks then.

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EnragedSlith
05/26/20 1:39:14 PM
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CanuckCowboy
05/26/20 1:40:31 PM
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Houston posted...
Let's check back with each other in two weeks then.

I like how people provide actual numbers and evidence and youre just like nah cause trump said.

1.5 million infected currently. You seem to somehow figure the death rate will be lower than its shown to be and that there wont be any new cases from here on out (in spite of the spikes in infections in several states).

give me one single shred of evidence or reasoning to support your claims beyond trump said...

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Houston
05/26/20 1:42:52 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
I like how people provide actual numbers and evidence and youre just like nah cause trump said.

1.5 million infected currently. You seem to somehow figure the death rate will be lower than its shown to be and that there wont be any new cases from here on out (in spite of the spikes in infections in several states).

give me one single shred of evidence or reasoning to support your claims beyond trump said...

You want a single shred of evidence? The 1.5 million numbers of those currently infected is wrong to begin with. There are not currently 1.5 million infected with the virus in the U.S. right now.

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CableZL
05/26/20 1:42:56 PM
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CableZL
05/26/20 1:43:23 PM
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Houston posted...
You want a single shred of evidence? The 1.5 million numbers of those currently infected in wrong to begin with.

... That's... not evidence.

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CanuckCowboy
05/26/20 1:43:57 PM
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CableZL posted...
... That's... not evidence.


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Secretly
05/26/20 1:44:14 PM
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CableZL posted...
... That's... not evidence.

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Tired-Insomniac
05/26/20 1:44:54 PM
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ThunderTrain posted...
Remember when the US had 15 cases and he said they had it under control and it'd be 0 soon?

Maybe he's using the Blizzard Soon

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Houston
05/26/20 1:45:34 PM
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CableZL posted...
... That's... not evidence.

Sure it is. The premise is wrong in the first place. How can someone say "Oh I think there will be this amount of deaths because there's 1.5 million infected right now" when there's not actually 1.5m infected???


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el_cheato
05/26/20 1:46:02 PM
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Houston posted...
You want a single shred of evidence? The 1.5 million numbers of those currently infected is wrong to begin with. There are not currently 1.5 million infected with the virus in the U.S. right now.
You're right, it's closer to 1.7 million than 1.5 million.

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CanuckCowboy
05/26/20 1:46:27 PM
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Houston posted...
Sure it is. The premise is wrong in the first place. How can someone say "Oh I think there will be this amount of deaths because there's 1.5 million infected right now" when there's not actually 1.5m infected???

I dont think you know what evidence means.

Also, source?

let me guess it was a trump tweet?

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CableZL
05/26/20 1:46:50 PM
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Houston posted...
Sure it is. The premise is wrong in the first place. How can someone say "Oh I think there will be this amount of deaths because there's 1.5 million infected right now" when there's not actually 1.5m infected???

There are about 1.7 million total cases in the US, so the only thing that's wrong about "1.5 million" is that the number is too low

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Houston
05/26/20 1:47:12 PM
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el_cheato posted...
You're right, it's closer to 1.7 million than 1.5 million.

Show me where there are 1.7 million infected currently. That number is total cases, including deaths and recoveries.

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