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Veggeta X
05/19/20 7:52:32 AM
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I believe this quote from Martin Luther King Jr explains it all

https://imgur.com/l3jVD6g

Unfortunately this kind of logic isn't something I see Dems preach or believe in anymore. They'd rather fight fire with fire which isn't something I ultimately can't get behind when it's all said and done. I'd never call myself a Republican, though.

#Centralist

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lilORANG
05/19/20 8:32:12 AM
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Democrats are notoriously the wettest of towels. They can't fight fire with fire when they're constantly extinguishing themselves with their own incompetence.
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Veggeta X
05/19/20 8:48:19 AM
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My point is you can't act like the morally superior side when you aren't factually superior. Playing the lesser evil doesn't make you right.

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UnfairRepresent
05/19/20 8:49:18 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
My point is you can't act like the morally superior side when you aren't factually superior.


Democrats are factually superior to Republicans right now though.

Literally Donald Trump
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fan357
05/19/20 8:49:36 AM
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Its been this way for a while. Both sides are going far left and right. Its idiotic. And people on this board are falling prey to it.

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butthole666
05/19/20 8:51:04 AM
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democrats are not going far left lol and that is why they are useless

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DeadBankerDream
05/19/20 8:51:17 AM
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This doesn't seem like an unreasonable claim on the face of it, but since it's veggy I dunno.
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Veggeta X
05/19/20 8:51:21 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Democrats are factually superior to Republicans right now though.

Literally Donald Trump

Veggeta X posted...
Playing the lesser evil doesn't make you right.
Imagine telling yourself "At least I'm not Donald" to help your conscious. If that's enough for people to make themselves feel like a saint then the world needs more soul searching than ever.

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RedJackson
05/19/20 8:52:27 AM
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I agree, I couldnt pick between one pack or another when theyre practically the same bunch
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Drunk Cobra
05/19/20 8:54:07 AM
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fan357 posted...
Its been this way for a while. Both sides are going far left and right. Its idiotic. And people on this board are falling prey to it.
I wish democrats were anywhere near as far left as enlightened centrists seem to think they are.

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Veggeta X
05/19/20 8:55:09 AM
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Drunk Cobra posted...
I wish democrats were anywhere near as far left as enlightened centrists seem to think they are.
Prove me wrong.

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UnfairRepresent
05/19/20 8:56:08 AM
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RedJackson posted...
I agree, I couldnt pick between one pack or another when theyre practically the same bunch

LOL
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Veggeta X
05/19/20 8:58:18 AM
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No, Dems and Repubs are very different in general. For example: Repubs lack compassion. Dems have compassion but only shows it to people who they think is worthy.

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RedJackson
05/19/20 8:59:58 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
LOL

I voted blue

...but you cant expect a taco man to grow up with what he has grown up with and then expect that youd get along with a side that practically tank future credibility for fighting against certain issues

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UnfairRepresent
05/19/20 9:01:29 AM
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RedJackson posted...

I voted blue

Bully for you.

The parties being the same thing is such a bullshit line though. "Both sides" rhetoric doesn't work.
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Veggeta X
05/19/20 9:03:17 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
"Both sides" rhetoric doesn't work.
It does in context. The fact that Donald has used it skewedly doesn't mean you can't condemn either sides when they are wrong, especially when they show similar traits.

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UnfairRepresent
05/19/20 9:04:37 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
It does in context.

No it doesn't

It's an utter bullshit lazy way to feel superior to other people.
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Veggeta X
05/19/20 9:08:15 AM
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Alright, how do you suppose is the right way to call out either party when they are being blindly self-righteous?

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UnfairRepresent
05/19/20 9:09:58 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
Alright, how do you suppose is the right way to call out either party when they are being blindly self-righteous?

By pointing out shit you don't like regardless of who said/did it.

Not by lazily nebulously claiming they are the same.
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Shablagoo
05/19/20 9:13:39 AM
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MLK was a socialist so it sounds like that might be what youre looking for TC.

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Veggeta X
05/19/20 9:13:58 AM
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It's not lazy. Sometimes showing people that they've become the monster they swore to destroy is the light at the end of the tunnel.

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RedJackson
05/19/20 9:14:00 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Bully for you.

The parties being the same thing is such a bullshit line though. "Both sides" rhetoric doesn't work.

Its not like someone acting like a fool is even a small portion of a group, Ive literally seen people take a noble issue like racism and straight up run it into a ground so its a literal joke to people

Im jaded - psychology for example doesnt take into account someone who has immigrant parents, grows up certain ways, grows up with the freedom of the internet and watches it remove certain factors of life and add new ones, grows up experiencing American life but having it be out of lifes reach due to racial dynamics, dealing with discrimination, among many other schpiels I wont get into - it provides a catch all diagnosis and puts all people under certain umbrellas in order to make sense of it

Politics is exactly the same way, it has yet to catch up to the real reality of people - just a couple of years ago it was the 98% vs the 2% and now everyone simply admires the 2% or wants to become that very 2%

Makes my best friends think theyre entitled to ask me why it is theyre not allowed to use the n word on a serious level

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Veggeta X
05/19/20 9:15:27 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
MLK was a socialist so it sounds like that might be what youre looking for TC.
Naw I still believe more in democracy.

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RedJackson
05/19/20 9:16:02 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
MLK was a socialist so it sounds like that might be what youre looking for TC.

Socialism sux, but you mean my option is to join a group of people that dont wanna try to fix a perfectly working capitalist system and scrap the whole thing or join a bunch of people that get their rocks off seeing a bunch of black dudes die due to technicalities of the law?

I dont take great pride in having been born in America and partaking in this, I like the other American traditions like eating hot dogs on 4th of July though
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The_Bitcoin
05/19/20 9:16:23 AM
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lilORANG posted...
Democrats are notoriously the wettest of towels. They can't fight fire with fire when they're constantly extinguishing themselves with their own incompetence.

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Veggeta X
05/19/20 9:19:21 AM
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I'm a proud American and I believe in all the good things our country is. Diversity, progression, inclusion, the poor can become rich. The fact that you can still be you and have the open mind to love and accept someone else for being different.

I guess a point I'm tryna make here is being narrow minded is a disease.

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KyerWiz
05/19/20 9:23:50 AM
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Never dismiss your own side shortcomings. Always strive to improve.

However, don't ever dismiss truly appalling behavior from the opposition because your side is not perfect.

Democrats leadership kinda sucks. Republican's is awful. To say "both sides" and treat them to same is insanity.
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RedJackson
05/19/20 9:34:33 AM
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KyerWiz posted...
Never dismiss your own side shortcomings. Always strive to improve.

However, don't ever dismiss truly appalling behavior from the opposition because your side is not perfect.

Democrats leadership kinda sucks. Republican's is awful. To say "both sides" and treat them to same is insanity.

You vote for the lesser of two evils, but after a lifetime of hate and stupidity you end up breaking your own heart trying to believe that theres actually a difference in that hate or stupidity
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UnfairRepresent
05/19/20 9:36:30 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
I'm a proud American and I believe in all the good things our country is. Diversity, progression, inclusion, the poor can become rich. The fact that you can still be you and have the open mind to love and accept someone else for being different.

I guess a point I'm tryna make here is being narrow minded is a disease.

Republican Vice President Mike Pence is pro gay conversion therapy, he's agaisnt women being in the military and even the movie Mulan being legal for encouraging it, while being pro businsesses refusing service to people based on their race, sex or sexuality.

President Trump is filling up the courts with judges who feel the same way, tried to ban immigration, said Mexicans shouldn't judge cases involving Mexians, told Americans who aren't white to "Go bak to to their own country" is expanding the Patriot act, okay with police and government going through private e-mails without a warrant, lied about fundamental things such as his crowd sizes, refused to release his tax returns, bragged about sexually assaulting women, increased oil/gas/coal production while removing enviromental regulations, and has refused to send federal aid to states/cities he doesn't like.

To name a few

And this is putting aside things like calling the Coronavirus a hoax, claiming Obama did the worst crime in history without being able to say what it was, sued or threatened to sue hundreds of people

Democrats are not any of these things. And you're calling them equal.

No one is saying Democrats are devoid of criticism. But if your beef is "why can't you accept others for being different." the Republican party is the one actively hostile to that is dozens of ways that Democrats literally are not. It wasn't Democrats who were opposed to putting gender equality in law into the Consitution.
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Veggeta X
05/19/20 9:37:45 AM
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Repubs believe there's little to no extremists on their side. Guess which opposite side also believes this as evident by this very topic.

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Veggeta X
05/19/20 9:39:05 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Democrats are not any of these things. And you're calling them equal.
I never said or even implied any of this. You're not taking things into context. You're looking at things very black and white which is very typical and I'm not surprised.

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UnfairRepresent
05/19/20 9:39:06 AM
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Ignoring reality to pretend things are equal doesn't make you smart. Pretty much the opposite.
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BignutzisBack
05/19/20 9:39:06 AM
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Is centrist currently the most effective word to utter when you want to trigger CE?

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Shablagoo
05/19/20 9:39:29 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
Repubs believe there's little to no extremists on their side. Guess which opposite side also believes this as evident by this very topic.

@Villain can you post the list?

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Veggeta X
05/19/20 9:40:31 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Ignoring reality to pretend things are equal doesn't make you smart. Pretty much the opposite.
Now I know you're smarter than that to build up this fairy tale narrative.

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LumaRosalina
05/19/20 9:40:36 AM
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honestly fuck politics
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Shablagoo
05/19/20 9:43:14 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
Repubs believe there's little to no extremists on their side. Guess which opposite side also believes this as evident by this very topic.

(List courtesy of Villain)

Murder victims of the Alt Right/White Supremacy in 2017:

Heather Heyer
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-heather-heyer-profile/index.html

Taliesin Namkai Meche
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/05/max_stabbing_victim_attended_r_1.html#incart_big-photo

Ricky Best
http://taskandpurpose.com/ricky-best-one-2-men-killed-portland-stabbing-army-veteran/

Richard Collins III
https://www.thenation.com/article/lynching-university-maryland-campus/

Timothy Caughman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stabbing_of_Timothy_Caughman

Srinivas Kuchibhotla
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Olathe,_Kansas_shooting

Casey Marquez & Francisco Fernandez
https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-mexico-school-shooter-had-secret-life-on-pro-trump-white-supremacy-sites

Charles Davis
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/10/23/alt-righter-seattle4truth-charged-killing-father-over-conspiracy-theories

Officer Zackari Parrish
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/01/us/colorado-shooting-suspect-military-record/index.html

Buckley Kuhn-Fricker & Scott Fricker
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/teen-charged-with-killing-girlfriends-parents-they-had-worried-he-was-a-neo-nazi/2017/12/23/e2102894-e761-11e7-833f-155031558ff4_story.html?utm_term=.32ba34f2ae29

The 6 Victims of the Quebec City mosque shooting:
Ibrahima Barry, Mamadou Tanou Barry, Khaled Belkacemi, Aboubaker Thabti, Abdelkrim Hassane, and Azzedine Soufiane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_City_mosque_shooting

Murder Victims of Antifa or the far left in 2017:

Murder victims of the Alt Right/White Supremacy in 2018:

Blaze Bernstein
https://www.haaretz.com/blaze-bernstein-murder-suspect-displayed-hate-on-social-media-1.5751372

The 17 Victims of the Stoneman Douglas High School Shooting:
Alyssa Alhadeff, Scott Beigel, Martin Duque, Nicholas Dworet, Aaron Feis, Jaime Guttenberg,
Chris Hixon, Luke Hoyer, Cara Loughran, Gina Montalto, Joaquin Oliver, Alaina Petty,
Meadow Pollack, Helena Ramsay, Alex Schachter, Carmen Schentrup, and Peter Wang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoneman_Douglas_High_School_shooting

The 10 Victims of the Santa Fe High School Shooting:
Jared Conard Black, Shana Fisher, Christian Riley Garcia, Aaron Kyle McLeod, Glenda Anne Perkins,
Angelique Ramirez, Sabika Sheikh, Christopher Stone, Cynthia Tisdale, and Kimberly Vaughan
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/18/612286146/shooting-reported-at-high-school-near-houston

The 10 Victims of the Toronto Van Attack
Beutis Renuka Amarasinghe, Andrea Bradden, Geraldine Brady, So He Chung, Anne Marie D'Amico
Mary Elizabeth Forsyth, Chul Min "Eddie" Kang, Ji Hun Kim, Munir Najjar, and Dorothy Sewell
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_van_attack

Sherell L. Lewis Jr
https://nypost.com/2018/05/31/motorist-brags-about-running-over-some-n-r-on-snapchat/

Jeremy Himmelman & Andrew Oneschuck
https://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/suspect-in-tampa-neo-nazi-killings-returns-from-state-mental-hospital-20190326/

The 5 Victims of the Annapolis Capital Shooting:
Gerald Fischman, Rob Hiaasen, John McNamara, Rebecca Smith, and Wendi Winters
https://bluestatedaily.com/accused-annapolis-shooter-jarrod-ramos-was-inspired-by-the-alt-right-report/

Maurice Stallard & Vickie Lee Jones
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alleged-kroger-gunman-uttered-whites-don-t-kill-whites-witness-n924641

The 11 victims of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting:
Joyce Fienberg, Rich Gottfried, Rose Mallinger, Jerry Rabinowitz, Cecil Rosenthal, David Rosenthal,
Bernice Simon, Sylvan Simon, Daniel Stein, Melvin Wax, & Irving Younger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting

Dr. Nancy Van Vessem & Maura Binkley
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/03/us/yoga-studio-shooting-florida.html

Murder Victims of Antifa or the far left in 2018:

Murder victims of the Alt Right/White Supremacy in 2019:

James Wolfe
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-news-seattle-man-thought-brother-lizard-killed-him-20190109-story.html

The 5 Victimes of the Sebring Fl Bank Shooting:
Cynthia Watson, Marisol Lopez, Jessica Montague, Debra Cook and Ana Pinon-Williams
https://heavy.com/news/2019/01/zephen-xaver/

The 50 Victims of the Christchurch mosque shootings:
The ages of those killed ranged from 2 to 71
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings

Sydney Aiello
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/parkland-shooting-survivor-sydney-aiello-takes-her-own-life/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=65145580

Walter Lbcke
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/26/far-right-suspect-confesses-to-killing-german-politician-walter-lubcke

Stephen Romero, Keyla Salazar, and Trevor Deon Irby
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilroy_Garlic_Festival_shooting

The 22 victims of the El Paso Shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_El_Paso_shooting

Murder Victims of Antifa or the far left in 2019:

If I am missing any please let me know, thanks!

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05/19/20 9:50:40 AM
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Veggeta X
05/19/20 9:54:23 AM
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I'm not saying Republicans aren't worst than Democrats. I'm saying moral leanings from Democrats have become too questionable to the point where I can no longer identify as one of them.

The narrative of I'm picking both sides when convenient is false.

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JBaLLEN66
05/19/20 10:08:07 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
I believe this quote from Martin Luther King Jr explains it all

https://imgur.com/l3jVD6g

Unfortunately this kind of logic isn't something I see Dems preach or believe in anymore. They'd rather fight fire with fire which isn't something I ultimately can't get behind when it's all said and done. I'd never call myself a Republican, though.

#Centralist

so you are a republican

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Villain
05/19/20 10:08:38 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
@Villain can you post the list?
At some point today yes

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EndOfDiscOne
05/19/20 10:09:40 AM
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What about that MLK quote saying that Centrists are the true enemies?

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NinjaBreakfast
05/19/20 10:11:03 AM
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this gimmick must be so tiresome

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ThyCorndog
05/19/20 10:11:43 AM
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MLK was a far left extremist, not a centrist. he said centrists were the enemy. I like MLK

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Shablagoo
05/19/20 10:12:09 AM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
What about that MLK quote saying that Centrists are the true enemies?



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