Current Events > Full video of Ahmaud Arbery and police from 2017

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SpacialEntropy posted...

What some people see in the video: "Innocent black man harassed endlessly for no reason at all and suddenly has a tazer pulled on him!"

What actually happened: "Black man was parked in a known drug area in the middle of nowhere next to train tracks, so police go to check on him. He acts belligerent and aggressive from the get go, escalating the situation, and is then brought back down to a civil level by the threat of a tazer. Immediately after he calmed down, tazer was put away. He was questioned and then let go with no harm done, and everyone walked away just fine"

But the first one sure does fit a narrative more.

Dude tried to deploy a tazer with the man backing up and hands out. And they were not checking on him and you know that.


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cjsdowg posted...

Dude tried to deploy a tazer with the man backing up and hands out. And they were not checking on him and you know that.

I don't think you know what deploy means. Also, they were just checking up on him and the call they got. Sorry you're so blinded by hate you think anything a cop does is evil. Perhaps a lawless wasteland would be more to your liking?

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Keith_Valentine posted...

He didnt get tazed. You think that was an accident? That cop Chose not to taze him. If he had acted normal with the first cop, the second cop wouldnt have been alerted and called in to respond.

The police department already admitted the taser malfunctioned & not really a surprise either since they have an extremely high malfunction rate and similarly why "just use a taser" isn't always a great option.

But the facts are that a cop who was already alone with arbery for about 3 minutes didn't even have a weapon drawn and that asshole shows up and reaches for a taser in 10 seconds and tries to put Arbery on his knees and has to be told by the first cop to back the fuck off.

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cjsdowg posted...

Dude tried to deploy a tazer with the man backing up and hands out. A

No they didnt

this is a lie you keep repeating
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Its a mere encounter at first. The officer makes contact, gets ID, and runs his ID. Its a one on one conversation until Arbery starts escalating things, at which point the officer calls for a backup officer. It wouldnt have been 2 cops on him if he wouldve just chilled out like he was apparently doing anyway.

Youre incapable of seeing that Arberys actions dictated the entire manner in which the encounter played out.

So no you can't point that out. Question an office is out crazy. The person being harassed wanted to know the reason. While still complying with all of the officers order, the second unit is still called. I have pointed to white people doing far worse in this very topic with out cops pulling anything on them.

He pulled the taser because Arbery was moving toward the vehicle and ignoring commands. The backup officer only heard that the subject was angry, per the contact officers radio transmission. He didnt know Arbery had been frisked. He didnt know the full nature of the stop. He didnt know if there were weapons in the vehicle that Arbery may want to get to.

He tried to deploy the taser as Arbery was taling back with his hands to out.

So, he drew his taser. Arbery then became compliant, stopped yelling and actually started to listen to what the officer was trying to explain FROM THE FUCKING BEGINNING.

He was compliant from the get go. Officer back up .. he does, Officer get your had out pockets..he does. Over and over he was asked to do things and he did it.

You just flat-out hate police. We get it. But out here in the real world, when youre dealing with people you dont know on a daily basis, you have to take preventative measures. Like calling for a backup officer in case things go sideways, or having a taser ready so that, if the subject wants to fight, its going to be much easier to take him into custody.

Not making excuses for people who harass others is not hating all cops. It is funny how you don't find it ironic that cops can treated every person like they are going to be the next killer. But you think person who has no control over the situation to think anything bad about the people harassing them.

I get a weird feeling that you live in a weird bubble where you dont have to deal with unpredictable strangers a lot.

Ha I was a CO, so yeah I have experience with people who are unpredictable to say the less. And the unpredictable person in this case was not Arbery.

Lastly about the search and the stops I have shown that people use the term interchangeable with citations. But whatever I hope you are never treated like you think others should get treated.


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So what's the point of this video?

Lyrica posted...

So what's the point of this video?

racists think it justifies their racism towards black people

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SpacialEntropy posted...

I don't think you know what deploy means. Also, they were just checking up on him and the call they got. Sorry you're so blinded by hate you think anything a cop does is evil. Perhaps a lawless wasteland would be more to your liking?

No he tried to deploy it, it just didn't work. As others have highlighted the police had admitted this. And did tried this as the man was backing up and his hands were up stretched out to his sides. As commanded.

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Lyrica posted...

So what's the point of this video?

To justify the murder of Ahmaud Arbery by making him appear to be a bad person.

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cjsdowg posted...

He tried to deploy the taser as Arbery was taling back with his hands to out.

https://youtu.be/r3hTwsvJV_A
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cjsdowg posted...

So no you can't point that out. Question an office is out crazy. The person being harassed wanted to know the reason. While still complying with all of the officers order, the second unit is still called. I have pointed to white people doing far worse in this very topic with out cops pulling anything on them.

Lol, is this English? He was explained why, and he still continued to be irate over a 5 minute encounter.

And yeah, I know this is probably a huge fucking shock to you, but talking to a police officer isnt harassment.

He tried to deploy the taser as Arbery was taling back with his hands to out.

He was compliant from the get go. Officer back up .. he does, Officer get your had out pockets..he does. Over and over he was asked to do things and he did it.

Except for when he rushes up on the officer as hes looking through the car window, or when he repeatedly just wants to yell and scream about how he has a job? Like him having a job somehow invalidates a legitimate conversation with police. Or how he made moves back toward the car, even when a second officer was on scene.

Sure.

Not making excuses for people who harass others is not hating all cops. It is funny how you don't find it ironic that cops can treated every person like they are going to be the next killer. But you think person who has no control over the situation to think anything bad about the people harassing them.

It isnt harassment, so you can lose that word out of your limited vocabulary because you cant even apply it correctly.

Ha I was a CO, so yeah I have experience with people who are unpredictable to say the less. And the unpredictable person in this case was not Arbery.

Lol watch an inmate act like Arbery does here, and youll see what that behavior gets you inside. COs wouldve had him pinned to the floor with knees in his back.

Lastly about the search and the stops I have shown that people use the term interchangeable with citations. But whatever I hope you are never treated like you think others should get treated.

I treat people exactly how they dictate that they should be treated.

For your sake, Im glad youre not a CO anymore. You cant even grasp the concept of who is at fault for something or understand the lack of legal merit of your argument that police were wrong here.

Nothing done was illegal. Arbery was not harmed.

I pray youre never in a position where your life or someone elses is resting on the ability to judge someones changing demeanor and their capacity for violence toward you and your ability to react accordingly in order to prevent that from happening.

Because youre an atrocious judge of character.


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ol watch an inmate act like Arbery does here, and youll see what that behavior gets you inside. COs wouldve had him pinned to the floor with knees in his back.

See that is your problem, that explains all your issues there. Arbery was not inmate, he was a person listening to music. You are trained to see black people as criminals.

I treat people exactly how they dictate that they should be treated.

For your sake, Im glad youre not a CO anymore. You cant even grasp the concept of who is at fault for something or understand the lack of legal merit of your argument that police were wrong here.

Yeah the person who is trying to shock someone backing up with his hands to the side is the person at fault . There is no justification at all for that.

fear for any black person you interact with. And yes the police were wrong. The second cop literally tried to taze someone while he was backing up with his hands up and out. You can make all the excuses that you would like, but there is no excuse for that. He is literally complying and he tried to hurt him.

Except for when he rushes up on the officer as hes looking through the car window, or when he repeatedly just wants to yell and scream about how he has a job? Like him having a job somehow invalidates a legitimate conversation with police. Or how he made moves back toward the car, even when a second officer was on scene.

Sure.

"Yelling" at a cop does not mean that he is not complying. Over and over the police give him orders and he followed them. From taking his hands out of his pockets, from getting his ID, ect. And he didn't RUN up the cop. Also still waiting for you to point out where his veins were popping out.

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Nothing done was illegal. Arbery was not harmed.

I pray youre never in a position where your life or someone elses is resting on the ability to judge someones changing demeanor and their capacity for violence toward you and your ability to react accordingly in order to prevent that from happening.

Because youre an atrocious judge of character.

My life has been on the line, I have dealt with horrible people, and guess what I never had to become a horrible person who justifies bull crap like you. It is funny you say I am bad judge of character, you might want to look up information about the cop you are defending.

t isnt harassment, so you can lose that word out of your limited vocabulary because you cant even apply it correctly.

There is nothing limited about my vocabulary, and that was nothing but harassment.


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are the murderers going to pretend they knew about this beforehand ?

but that would also mean they knew his name....

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The USA, a country where you can get murdered just for being black and thousands of people online will pretty much celebrate it and look to paint the victim in the worst light possible.

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DeadorDead8 posted...

The video is relevant because it shows Ahmaud's temperament, look how angry he gets. Reacted the same way in February and got shot, not saying it was right but he definitely didnt think.

he was cornered by armed men and fighting for his life of course he didnt think
he couldnt

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Ocron83 posted...

The USA, a country where you can get murdered just for being black and thousands of people online will pretty much celebrate it and look to paint the victim in the worst light possible.

Amen

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ITT: People trying to defame a murder victim's character in hopes of trying to get the murderers off the hook

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Ocron83 posted...

The USA, a country where you can get murdered just for being black and thousands of people online will pretty much celebrate it and look to paint the victim in the worst light possible.

White people need their guns to help defend themselves against the unarmed black pedestrians they're following around in cars.

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Holy fuck..the comments section...seems like a casual gathering of the KKK.

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Cjs, I honestly cant even tell if youre serious. Your entire stance and outlook is incredibly, laughably terrible.

And what the fuck are you talking about with the veins popping out thing?


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Patchwork posted...

Cjs, I honestly cant even tell if youre serious. Your entire stance and outlook is incredibly, laughably terrible.

And what the fuck are you talking about with the veins popping out thing?

if you disagree with something he said, at LEAST break it down. wtf was that lazy crap?
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Patchwork posted...

you want to argue semantics

... says the person super desperate for some reason to argue that pat-down searches aren't searches.

A pat-down search is when a police officer pats down the outer surfaces of a persons clothing in an attempt to find weapons. A pat-down search constitutes a search under the Fourth Amendment

Tyranthraxus posted...

The police department already admitted the taser malfunctioned

So, despite Patchwork's claims, even the police know that turning on a tazer towards someone who's backing up is a bad idea?
I wonder why Patchwork is trying to defend something even the police themselves aren't defending?


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A pat down isnt a search. A pat down is an open palm feel of the outside of a persons clothing to feel for weapons. A search needs consent/warrant to actually go in peoples pockets, clothing, backpack

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Patchwork posted...

Cjs, I honestly cant even tell if youre serious. Your entire stance and outlook is incredibly, laughably terrible.

And what the fuck are you talking about with the veins popping out thing?

The police literally claimed that you could see veins popping of of Arbery.

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darkprince45 posted...

A pat down isnt a search. A pat down is an open palm feel of the outside of a persons clothing to feel for weapons. A search needs consent/warrant to actually go in peoples pockets, clothing, backpack

Doesnt feeling anything in someones pocket give you reasonable cause to search them without permission anyway?

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No, if you plain feel a contraband item like a weapon of meth pipe you can reach and grab that item. It does not give you consent to search the rest of the person, if you do pull out a gun then you possibly have probable cause depending on the status of the person and state laws

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So I havent cared enough to follow this story, but I watched the video. What happened? Because I dont see the cops doing anything wrong in this video at least.
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The second cop try to taze someone as he was walking back with his hands up.

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cjsdowg posted...

The second cop try to taze someone as he was walking back with his hands up.

Is that what all this fuss is about? The guy was acting aggro, and that cop didnt know if he had weapons on him. Sorry, Im always going to side with the cops on this one.
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NeilDuckmann posted...

Is that what all this fuss is about? The guy was acting aggro, and that cop didnt know if he had weapons on him. Sorry, Im always going to side with the cops on this one.

You think people should be tazed while complaining, backing up, and their hands literally up? Is that what you are saying ?

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SMAL hates black people so idk why you'd engage with him on this

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cjsdowg posted...

You think people should be tazed while complaining, backing up, and their hands literally up? Is that what you are saying ?

Ive been pulled over by cops and even had cops point guns at me once. I never get in their face and yelled at them, because Im not suicidal. If its a traffic stop, I dont even get out of the car unless the cop asks me to. I care more about the cop feeling safe, so I dont get tased or shot. Zero sympathy for the guy.
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NeilDuckmann posted...

Ive been pulled over by cops and even had cops point guns at me once. I never get in their face and yelled at them, because Im not suicidal. If its a traffic stop, I dont even get out of the car unless the cop asks me to. I care more about the cop feeling safe, so I dont get tased or shot. Zero sympathy for the guy.

So you support Cops tazing people who are complying with their hands up. Yes are not easy question.

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cjsdowg posted...

So you support Cops tazing people who are complying with their hands up. Yes are not easy question.

Spin it how you want, but he never should have even gotten out of the car.
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CommonStar posted...

https://www.news4jax.com/news/georgia/2020/03/02/glynn-county-police-chief-3-ex-officers-booked-into-jail/

Second cop, David Haney.

@Suchomimus

Caroniver posted...

... says the person super desperate for some reason to argue that pat-down searches aren't searches.

Already explained.

So, despite Patchwork's claims, even the police know that turning on a tazer towards someone who's backing up is a bad idea?
I wonder why Patchwork is trying to defend something even the police themselves aren't defending?

Does saying that the taser malfunctioned somehow equate to the dept. admitting its use was wrong?

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

if you disagree with something he said, at LEAST break it down. wtf was that lazy crap?

Ive broken down every nonsensical claim; theyre all the same, ignorant of the actual factual video documentation of the incident. There is no further need to break down the same claims over and over.

Odoylerules posted...

@Suchomimus

Does this change what happened in the video? No. Does this video change what happened to Arbery, or anyway justify it? No.


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cjsdowg posted...

See that is your problem, that explains all your issues there. Arbery was not inmate, he was a person listening to music. You are trained to see black people as criminals.

Alright. So, I use your admitted previous employment to try to bridge the gap in understanding here, and you accuse me of being trained to see all black people as criminals.

This is where Im not sure if youre actually just not comprehending what Im saying, or youre just deliberately saying stupid shit.

Yeah the person who is trying to shock someone backing up with his hands to the side is the person at fault . There is no justification at all for that.

Re-watched the video.

From the back-up officers perspective, what he knows about this scene PRIOR TO ARRIVAL:

1. Officer 1 is on-scene with a male, Arbery, suspicious activity, lets say.
2. Officer 1 calls for a second unit.
3. Dispatch or another officer seems to ask something relating to how serious it is, likely to determine whether to go code to the location or not. Officer 1 responds with, just... very angry.
4. Officer 2 arrives on-scene to see Arbery, who he DOES NOT KNOW HAS BEEN FRISKED FOR WEAPONS, obviously angry with the encounter. He pulls his less-lethal option from its holster, the taser, and positions himself off-center from Arbery.
5. Arbery moves toward the driver side door of the vehicle, a move which has no legitimate purpose in this encounter. Neither officer has searched that vehicle. Neither officer is aware of whether there may be weapons in that vehicle.
6. Officer 2 attempts to deploy his taser, the cartridge never fires. Arbery backs away only AFTER the taser deployment is attempted.
7. Taser reholstered.
8. Calmer, more rational conversation ensues.
9. Arbery leaves with no citation, no charges for driving without a license, no injuries, and only about 5 minutes of his only day off taken up.
10. You cry.

fear for any black person you interact with. And yes the police were wrong. The second cop literally tried to taze someone while he was backing up with his hands up and out. You can make all the excuses that you would like, but there is no excuse for that. He is literally complying and he tried to hurt him.

"Yelling" at a cop does not mean that he is not complying. Over and over the police give him orders and he followed them. From taking his hands out of his pockets, from getting his ID, ect. And he didn't RUN up the cop. Also still waiting for you to point out where his veins were popping out.

I interact with people of every race and ethnicity literally every shift. Ive had 3 complaints filed against me, and all three were from a white sovereign citizen.

And yes, he did rush up on officer 1 when officer 1 moved to look through the passenger side window of the vehicle. You can see Arbery at the edge of the frame move briskly forward while shouting about the officer not looking in his car, to the point that the officer had to extend his arm to stop Arbery from getting into his space. The officer here also then draws his taser momentarily, thinking the situation is about to escalate, and then re-holsters.

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My life has been on the line, I have dealt with horrible people, and guess what I never had to become a horrible person who justifies bull crap like you. It is funny you say I am bad judge of character, you might want to look up information about the cop you are defending.

So, we can agree that this incident doesnt mean Arbery is a bad person (as Ive said)? And this video in no way makes what happened to him any better, correct?

Then why should I comb the history of the officers in question, when I have a video of the entire incident? It doesnt change the video.

There is nothing limited about my vocabulary, and that was nothing but harassment.

I beg to differ, on both counts. I think your belief that this is harassment actually proves the first point.

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ThHe cop said back up and he was backing up.

If he didn't watch for that cops they would have done this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zUxb0yY7BU

Just using your logic.


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I want to address this before I talk about anything else.

Officer 2 attempts to deploy his taser, the cartridge never fires. Arbery backs away only AFTER the taser deployment is attempted.

Bullcrap. The cop fires at 1:35 Arbery already was backing away at that point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v7o_6uI9R0&feature=youtu.be

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NinjaBreakfast posted...

SMAL aka NeilDuckmann hates black people so idk why you'd engage with him on this

But his sister loves them......

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cjsdowg posted...

I want to address this before I talk about anything else.

Bullcrap. He fires at 1:35 he was backing away at that point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v7o_6uI9R0&feature=youtu.be

Fair point. My fault.


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FYI, Im tired of the back and forth. Were not going to see eye to eye here, but Ill hear out whatever it is youve got to say in response.

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marc55 posted...

are the murderers going to pretend they knew about this beforehand ?

Even if they did, they are still murderers.
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Dude seems wild aggressive. To his own detriment (though I suppose that's obvious).

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