Current Events > Full video of Ahmaud Arbery and police from 2017

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being harassed while minding your own business typically irritates people. fucking bootlickers and their struggles to humanize anybody not in a position of authority, lol
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He didnt let them do anything, and he wasnt searched. He was frisked for weapons, which is a less-invasive protective measure allowed under Terry v. Ohio.

He didn't fight or stop him from searching him so he let him. Also Terry V. Ohio. These things are literally called Terry searches.

And the officer was looking in the window or the car when Arbery started aggressively coming forward. Whatever can be seen through the window of your car isnt protected by the 4th amendment, as its considered plain view.

You know got damn well he was trying to find any reason to search him. And nothing was in plain view and the cop was still trying to search the car so you don't have point here.

Again, educate yourself on the difference between a search and a frisk. The officer didnt go into Arberys pockets. He used an open hand to check the waistband and up under Arberys jacket, common areas where a weapon would be concealed.

Search is literally in the name of what he did.

And yes, taser deployments have kept people alive. Thats the point of the taser. The other officer blocking Arbery from getting back to his vehicle also prevents further escalation of the situation.

An abundance of drug complaints, sightings of drug activity, etc., will lead to a person sitting in his car in field in a park seeming suspicious. Its not fucking rocket science. Youre really jumping through hoops to make this an issue, when it isnt.

So someone setting in their car is suspicious . HA I guess list that as things black people can't do without being harassed.

Are we equating tasers to guns now? Is that where your mind is? Fucking incredible leap youre making there.

So i take that as a no you wouldn't say you were unharmed by that.

So, the other officer shouldve telepathically known Arbery had been frisked? Right on. Theyll have to add that in the patrol guide.

You in law enforcement ?


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DeadorDead8 posted...

The video is relevant because it shows Ahmaud's temperament, look how angry he gets. Reacted the same way in February and got shot, not saying it was right but he definitely didnt think.

So if someone chases you , blocks you and and pulls gun on you . It is on you if you get upset. Tell me sure got on needs and gave the people with guns chasing him a prize .

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DeadorDead8 posted...

The video is relevant because it shows Ahmaud's temperament, look how angry he gets. Reacted the same way in February and got shot, not saying it was right but he definitely didnt think.

Y'all come up with the dumbest shit

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looked posted...

1. You really think that is complying? Why not just talk like human being, instead acting like you are ready to fight.

2. Its on video, he served in front of the car, and initiated the altercation.

3. Everyone should be questioned. Just because something bad happened to him doesnt mean he didnt do anything wrong.

4. Im not sure what the relevance of that example is supposed to be, but I would instruct my child do a lot of things different than everyone in this situation.

Yes, the cop ask him to put hands up he did, he asking to hands out of his pockets he did ect.
You need to stop talking about this case, since you clearly don't know anything about it. They chased him for 4 mins before the end of the video.
Where are you from ?
So tell us , you did is running from people. They block her way two times. The have guns and are yelling. Tell he what she do . Hell what you you do. Since you are defending the guys doing the chsing you will be okay with child being chased like that ?


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Pseudomenon posted...

I'm talking specifically about the prolific vilification of black people who were murdered or otherwise wronged that has existed for the entirety of America's history. Please don't twist my message to mean something else. Thanks.

He actually inadvertently made a good point here: if this were a celeb getting #cancelled for something they did years ago then the people who are happy to use this to justify killing someone would be saying it was unfair and typical sjw cancel culture

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Thoughts:

1. This is irrelevant to his killing.

2. He comes across like an angry man and a jerk.

3. That 1st cop handled the situation really well. That really could have escalated (and the 2nd Cop nearly did it to) but he kept a cool head.

My exact sentiments.

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ClunkerSlim posted...

Pushing? I listed it in one post along with the other evidence the DA presented in his letter. Ive not said anything more about it. I never even bothered to look up what he was in jail for. So how am I pushing it? Youre the one who keeps bringing it up, not me.

Don't even bother. All CJ, Bishop and Stm know how to do is lie, use mob mentality, and not think logically. They'll never get it .

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Pseudomenon posted...

I do not accept your excuse for an apology.

I thought it was possible you were just mistaken the first time but I now doubt that, considering you have again put words in my mouth by insinuating I don't care about everyone.

Please stop doing this. Thanks.

I was talking about everyone. You were talking about not everyone.

My bad, sorry!

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SpacialEntropy posted...

Don't even bother. All CJ, Bishop and Stm know how to do is lie, use mob mentality, and not think logically. They'll never get it

Mob mentality, people are literally defending people chasing down someone with guns. (they admit this)
That person tried to escape them. ( they admit this).
They boxed him in with two trucks. (they admit this)
The ended up gunning the man down , and you are suggesting that we are using a mob mentality, how does that work. Because we think people who chase people down and kill them should go to jail.

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cjsdowg posted...

So if someone chases you , blocks you and and pulls gun on you . It is on you if you get upset. Tell me sure got on needs and gave the people with guns chasing him a prize .

If you have two guns pointed at you the last thing you want to do is get pissed off and try to disarm them.

KStateKing17 posted...

Y'all come up with the dumbest shit

What I said is true, dont get mad at the facts.

SpacialEntropy posted...

Don't even bother. All CJ, Bishop and Stm know how to do is lie, use mob mentality, and not think logically. They'll never get it .

Whos bullshit alt is this?

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cjsdowg posted...

Yes, the cop ask him to put hands up he did, he asking to hands out of his pockets he did ect.
You need to stop talking about this case, since you clearly don't know anything about it. They chased him for 4 mins before the end of the video.
Where are you from ?
So tell us , you did is running from people. They block her way two times. The have guns and are yelling. Tell he what she do . Hell what you you do. Since you are defending the guys doing the chsing you will be okay with child being chased like that ?

Thats not true, the cop asked him to put his hands on the car, he said I dont got to do shit. He was aggressive was, and he ran up on the officer twice.

When the other officer showed up and pulled his taser, that is when he calmed down, and started to comply. He shouldve have that tone from the beginning, and there would have been an issue.

The cop handled it well. He didnt lose his cool, or argue back, he stayed calm and deesculated the situation. If you think this guy is an asshole, you probably just hate cops.

Im not defending the Mcmichaels, I dont know why you keep saying that. I just agree with the narrative you guys are trying to push.

imagine being so naive that you're still trying to convince dedicated assholes to suddenly plug up.
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DeadorDead8 posted...

What I said is true, dont get mad at the facts.

You're not supposed to be defensive when somebody (who isn't law enforcement btw) is chasing you down with guns? He stood his ground. You don't yessir some nobody threatening you in public. That's why we have laws that are supposed give us the opportunity to defend ourselves.

What you said was some bullshit

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cjsdowg posted...

He didn't fight or stop him from searching him so he let him. Also Terry V. Ohio. These things are literally called Terry searches.

You know got damn well he was trying to find any reason to search him. And nothing was in plain view and the cop was still trying to search the car so you don't have point here.

Search is literally in the name of what he did.

Terry Search is a colloquialism. A pat down is not a search by any reasonable form of language or understanding

Are you trying to argue that in your mind there is no difference between patting someone down for weapons and going through their pockets,clothes, cavities, car, home etc looking for stuff?

No patting down for weapons is not a police search, pretending otherwise is insane.

So someone setting in their car is suspicious .

No, someone sitting in their car illegally parked in the middle of no where in an area that is a hotspot for crime, talking to himself and being aggressive is suspicious.

So i take that as a no you wouldn't say you were unharmed by that.

Arbery was not harmed by those police at all.

Neither would i be if they did the same to me

You in law enforcement ?

No
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Poisoning the well.

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KStateKing17 posted...

You're not supposed to be defensive when somebody (who isn't law enforcement btw) is chasing you down with guns? He stood his ground. You don't yessir some nobody threatening you in public. That's why we have laws that are supposed give us the opportunity to defend ourselves.

What you said was some bullshit

Laws dont mean shit when guns are pointed at you. Gotta be smart about certain situations and hot head Ahmaud made the wrong decision of charging for a gun when he had no combat experience.

DeadorDead8 posted...

Laws dont mean shit when guns are pointed at you. Gotta be smart about certain situations and hot head Ahmaud made the wrong decision of charging for a gun when he had no combat experience.

I'll have to remember that when I talk to my buddies when they're discussing government tyranny again.

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DeadorDead8 posted...

Laws dont mean shit when guns are pointed at you. Gotta be smart about certain situations and hot head Ahmaud made the wrong decision of charging for a gun when he had no combat experience.

HE literally ran away from these people until they trap him. How in the fuck he is a hot head when he ran away ?

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cjsdowg posted...

HE literally ran away from these people until they trap him. How in the fuck he is a hot head when he ran away ?

because he's a young black male

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UnfairRepresent posted...

The ultimate irony is if you picture any dramatic "Crimminal Court Scene" from any movie you can think of. Odds are there would be a retrial with a new jury.

Presenting unapproved evidence mid-trial is a big no-no, but you see that all the time.

UnfairRepresent posted...

A pat down is not a search by any reasonable form of language or understanding

From Cornell:

A pat-down search is when a police officer pats down the outer surfaces of a persons clothing in an attempt to find weapons. A pat-down search constitutes a search under the Fourth Amendment

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at least I get to update my tags.
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Im kinda surprised anyone would defend that video. But i know lots of dudes here hate cops so I guess i get it. I actually believe Arbery may have been mentally ill.

Thats a bad way to handle an interaction with police. If the second cop had been the first responder, and Arbery acted that way, there might have been violence. Its amazing anyone can watch that and call the first cop an asshole.

Keith_Valentine posted...

Im kinda surprised anyone would defend that video. But i know lots of dudes here hate cops so I guess i get it. I actually believe Arbery may have been mentally ill.

Thats a bad way to handle an interaction with police. If the second cop had been the first responder, and Arbery acted that way, there might have been violence. Its amazing anyone can watch that and call the first cop an asshole.

Black man ask why he was being harassed. How horrible. White people doing this.. Patriot .




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cjsdowg posted...

Black man ask why he was being harassed. How horrible. White people doing this.. Patriot .

I dont give a shit he was black. If you call that harassment, i laugh at you.

The less you fuck with cops, the better it will be for you.

Ah yes digging up dirt on a victim to justify racism and murder. Good old US of A

Keith_Valentine posted...

The less you fuck with cops, the better it will be for you.

Unless you are like the guy in the picture an you get the president to support your actions.

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cjsdowg posted...

Unless you are like the guy in the picture an you get the president to support your actions.

What are you saying?

cjsdowg posted...

HE literally ran away from these people until they trap him. How in the fuck he is a hot head when he ran away ?

So the best course of action was to bum rush the guy holding the gun? Great idea, you see how that ended. He should have ran to a nearby house.

DeadorDead8 posted...

So the best course of action was to bum rush the guy holding the gun? Great idea, you see how that ended. He should have ran to a nearby house.

1. He literally ran away from these people.
2. You think a black should just run up to any house and knock on while people chasing him with a gun . Good lord you people will come up with anything to justify a black man being kille.d

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cjsdowg posted...

1. He literally ran away from these people.
2. You think a black should just run up to any house and knock on while people chasing him with a gun . Good lord you people will come up with anything to justify a black man being kille.d

Anything would have been better than what happened. He would still be alive.

I think he was mentally ill.

Keith_Valentine posted...

Anything would have been better than what happened. He would still be alive.

I think he was mentally ill.

Yeah because people who chase others down with guns and then box them in with there cars are known for not killing people

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cjsdowg posted...

Yeah because people who chase others down with guns and then box them in with there cars are known for not killing people

Huh?

You are suggesting that he would be alive. When we know people were chasing him with guns . Most people random citizens cash people down with guns the out come isn't good. It is funny how you suggest the person who are literally running for his life is the person who should have changed how he acted and not the people chasing with guns at the ready.

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only one thought

the McMichaels are gonna fry

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Wheres his jogging hammer?

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cjsdowg posted...

You are suggesting that he would be alive. When we know people were chasing him with guns . Most people random citizens cash people down with guns the out come isn't good. It is funny how you suggest the person who are literally running for his life is the person who should have changed how he acted and not the people chasing with guns at the ready.

Good point but not what im saying. They totally acted like idiots, that is established. Im sorry i didnt make it clear I believe that. They should have called the cops and sat their fat asses back down and kept watching Judge Judy. Making a defense for them to confront and chase him in their truck while armed is not going to be easy. I really think Travis, the shooter, will go down on some form of manslaughter/negligent homicide. It escalated extremely fast. I really dont know because i see this from different angles.

My thoughts about Arberys choices are coming from a place of, he has already been confronted and followed. The man is in the street with a shotgun. What do you do to stay alive? There are many options here i know are better. Ive watched the video like 50 times. I cant wrap my head around what Arbery did. And seeing the video in the op adds to this. This man had mental health issues.

I know how it looks to say "shoulda coulda" in a homicide case. But please dont suggest i dont care when black people are hurt or killed.

cjsdowg posted...

He didn't fight or stop him from searching him so he let him. Also Terry V. Ohio. These things are literally called Terry searches.

Theyre called Terry frisks, because they dont rise to the level of a search.

You know got damn well he was trying to find any reason to search him. And nothing was in plain view and the cop was still trying to search the car so you don't have point here.

He was looking through the window. Anything seen through the window is considered plain view. He didnt move to open the door. He even asked fucking consent toward the end of the incident, and when denied, didnt raise an issue about it.

He did what he was supposed to do.

Search is literally in the name of what he did.

Try again.

So someone setting in their car is suspicious . HA I guess list that as things black people can't do without being harassed.

You ignored literally every ounce of context and, instead of reacting to the whole picture, think he was confronted because he was black.

Thats your goal, to make this purely racial, and you wont let facts get in the way of a good outrage moment.

So i take that as a no you wouldn't say you were unharmed by that.

I would most certainly be unharmed. Ive had guns pointed at me, and Im as-of-yet unharmed.

You in law enforcement ?

Yes, and yet Ive demonstrated an ability to call officers out when theyre in the wrong. But I wont crucify two officers who did their due diligence and did their job correctly.

Your inability to separate fact from your weird race-baiting narrative is troubling.


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Patchwork posted...

Theyre called Terry frisks, because they dont rise to the level of a search.

They are also called Terry Searches, if you are in Law enforcement then you should know this,

https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4882&context=uclrev

https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6396&context=jclc

He was looking through the window. Anything seen through the window is considered plain view. He didnt move to open the door. He even asked fucking consent toward the end of the incident, and when denied, didnt raise an issue about it.

He did what he was supposed to do.

And it was nothing illegally there, and he keep pushing the issue.

Try again.

I can prove you wrong once more.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/91-2019.ZO.html

All of these things I show use Terry Search.

You ignored literally every ounce of context and, instead of reacting to the whole picture, think he was confronted because he was black.

Thats your goal, to make this purely racial, and you wont let facts get in the way of a good outrage moment.

Facts like he was nothing nothing to be confronted for. The cop said himself. HE was confronting him because it was high drug area. Someone setting in his car is not cause 2 cops on him. Also since you are defending these people. Point to part of the video were you can see vains in his chess.

es, and yet Ive demonstrated an ability to call officers out when theyre in the wrong. But I wont crucify two officers who did their due diligence and did their job correctly.

Your inability to separate fact from your weird race-baiting narrative is troubling.

Yeah race baiting, why is that term mostly used by people who are defending people hurting or killing black people. Dude that cop activated his taster for no reason. And you think that is okay. The only thing that had on him was that oh it is high drug area. Are they checking everyone in the area, since white perpy people just as likely to be doing drugs as black guy. Naw they didn't.


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That cop had reason to activate his tazer, Arbery was belligerent as fuck. The first cop pulled his out too because Arbery was so aggressive, he just didnt crackle it like the second cop. Only reason second cop got called was because Arbery was being such an ass. He made it worse for himself in every way. To not see that, its obvious where your biases are cjsdowg.

You act like this doesnt happen to people of other races doing suspicious shit all the time, but it does. Any white dude for example that acted like Arbery did would have been treated the exact same way.

Keith_Valentine posted...

You act like this doesnt happen to people of other races doing suspicious shit all the time, but it does. Any white dude for example that acted like Arbery did would have been treated the exact same way.

https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/1256941104383045632

That cop had reason to activate his tazer, Arbery was belligerent as fuck. The first cop pulled his out too because Arbery was so aggressive, he just didnt crackle it like the second cop. Only reason second cop got called was because Arbery was being such an ass. He made it worse for himself in every way. To not see that, its obvious where your biases are cjsdowg.

There was no reason at all to taste a man who comply and complied.

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Also when they tried to taze him , he was literally backing up with his hands out.

https://twitter.com/binginews/status/1262557826444070914

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cjsdowg posted...

Also when they tried to taze him , he was literally backing up with his hands out.

https://twitter.com/binginews/status/1262557826444070914

He didnt get tazed. You think that was an accident? That cop Chose not to taze him. If he had acted normal with the first cop, the second cop wouldnt have been alerted and called in to respond.

You are just making shit up with that claim.

You see the full video? Do the exact opposite of what Arbery did in the first half of the video, you will be better off. He didnt comply until the threat of force was used. Its blatant, i know people who have been tazed and beaten by cops. I got fuckin choked by an off duty cop for fighting another kid at a hs football game, years ago. I could go on, this shit is not unknown to me.

Good to see Keith doing the exact same shit that got him warned a few days ago. Are the mods gonna ignore that and just treat each individual post without context?

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What some people see in the video: "Innocent black man harassed endlessly for no reason at all and suddenly has a tazer pulled on him!"

What actually happened: "Black man was parked in a known drug area in the middle of nowhere next to train tracks, so police go to check on him. He acts belligerent and aggressive from the get go, escalating the situation, and is then brought back down to a civil level by the threat of a tazer. Immediately after he calmed down, tazer was put away. He was questioned and then let go with no harm done, and everyone walked away just fine"

But the first one sure does fit a narrative more.

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cjsdowg posted...

They are also called Terry Searches, if you are in Law enforcement then you should know this,

https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4882&context=uclrev

https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6396&context=jclc

Theyre frisks. They turn into searches when, from said frisk, an officer feels an object that he can plainly feel is a weapon or contraband. Only then does a Terry frisk turn into a search.

And it was nothing illegally there, and he keep pushing the issue.

How would we know nothing was illegal there? Arbery advances on the officer within seconds of him beginning to peer into the window, pulling the officers attention back to Arbery and away from the vehicle.

I can prove you wrong once more.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/91-2019.ZO.html

All of these things I show use Terry Search.

Whether you want to argue semantics, it doesnt change that a Terry frisk was warranted given his aggressive behavior. Im not entirely sure what point youre trying to make here?

Facts like he was nothing nothing to be confronted for. The cop said himself. HE was confronting him because it was high drug area. Someone setting in his car is not cause 2 cops on him. Also since you are defending these people. Point to part of the video were you can see vains in his chess.

Its a mere encounter at first. The officer makes contact, gets ID, and runs his ID. Its a one on one conversation until Arbery starts escalating things, at which point the officer calls for a backup officer. It wouldnt have been 2 cops on him if he wouldve just chilled out like he was apparently doing anyway.

Youre incapable of seeing that Arberys actions dictated the entire manner in which the encounter played out.

Yeah race baiting, why is that term mostly used by people who are defending people hurting or killing black people. Dude that cop activated his taster for no reason. And you think that is okay. The only thing that had on him was that oh it is high drug area. Are they checking everyone in the area, since white perpy people just as likely to be doing drugs as black guy. Naw they didn't.

He pulled the taser because Arbery was moving toward the vehicle and ignoring commands. The backup officer only heard that the subject was angry, per the contact officers radio transmission. He didnt know Arbery had been frisked. He didnt know the full nature of the stop. He didnt know if there were weapons in the vehicle that Arbery may want to get to.

So, he drew his taser. Arbery then became compliant, stopped yelling and actually started to listen to what the officer was trying to explain FROM THE FUCKING BEGINNING.

As soon as Arberys demeanor changed, the taser was holstered.

Youre wrong on this.

I dont think Arbery is a bad guy, or was. I think he had a bad day this day, he took that out on an officer doing his job, and all parties walked away safe and sound.

Didnt even get a citation for driving without a license or get his car towed, which is clearly parked in the grass not near any distinguishable parking lot.

You just flat-out hate police. We get it. But out here in the real world, when youre dealing with people you dont know on a daily basis, you have to take preventative measures. Like calling for a backup officer in case things go sideways, or having a taser ready so that, if the subject wants to fight, its going to be much easier to take him into custody.

And can you not act like being tased is the end of the world? Ive been tased multiple times. Its 5 seconds of suck, and then youre fine.

I get a weird feeling that you live in a weird bubble where you dont have to deal with unpredictable strangers a lot.

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He deserved to die because of a petty theft 3 years ago!

People love to bring up stuff from the past whenever a black person dies lmao

"He was no angel"
"He got suspended in 5th grade for fighting, he was a criminal in the making"

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And with that, Im all done here. Youre not able to deal with reality. You have a narrative that blue man bad, and you wont stop until you force the facts to fit.

Your problem is that theres video, and anyone can see youre wrong.

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