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Hbthebattle
05/14/20 1:12:31 PM
#51:


TeslaCoi1 posted...


It's not that. You can make a completely different Mario RPG from TTYD, while still having it be an amazing game. The problem is that the later Paper Mario games haven't been proper RPG Mario games like the franchise has traditionally been.

Ok, but there's no evidence that this game isn't an rpg, but people are still whining like crazy because the bomb-omb didn't wear a hat
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Grimlyn
05/14/20 1:16:16 PM
#52:


there has never been a Mario Tennis game as good as Aces

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CassandraCain
05/14/20 1:18:11 PM
#53:


Never played any Paper Mario game, but watched Grumps play Thousand Year Door and it looked fun (would love to play it myself). Didn't know there was drama about the series but it falls in line with the rest of Nintendo's jams so not surprising.

I like what I'm seeing from the trailer and the rotating battle system looks extremely interesting. Will most likely add it to my backlog on day one so that I can get around to playing it a few months later.

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PrinceOfKoopas
05/14/20 1:29:40 PM
#54:


Reminder that they already did the Bob-omb thing in Color Splash with existentialist Shy Guy on the train.
Same energy:


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HashtagSEP
05/14/20 1:30:48 PM
#55:


I just want partners of some type, and EXP/a reason to actually battle.

That's all I want.

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Lightning Strikes
05/14/20 1:49:03 PM
#56:


Grimlyn posted...
there has never been a Mario Tennis game as good as Aces

And there has never been a Mario Party game as good as Super Mario Party. It is weird also since Aces and SMP's issues are the opposite: Aces had issues at launch that got patched, SMP did not get any support post-launch whatsoever, but launched well.

Anyway, this is clearly a turn-based RPG more in line with old Paper Mario games. We don't know if there's exp or fp yet and the exact nature of partners (though they are in there) but it's basically an expansion of that battle system from what little we've seen.

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HashtagSEP
05/14/20 1:52:20 PM
#57:


The worst thing about games like Sticker Star was you wanted to avoid non-mandatory battles to save resources because they didn't give you anything but... more resources to replace what you just used.

It just wasn't fun.

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Leonhart4
05/14/20 2:06:59 PM
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Yeah, the fact that Sticker Star made fighting actively detrimental is a baffling design choice.

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NBIceman
05/14/20 3:26:11 PM
#59:


Hbthebattle posted...
maybe paper mario should have stayed dead
you guys wonder why the switch has so many ports and remakes when people whine whenever a game isn't an exact clone of its predecessors
But... This looks like it is pretty much an exact clone of its predecessors for all intents and purposes. It's just the shitty predecessors instead of the good ones.

That being said, I try not to judge games based on the first reveal trailer. THAT being said, I continue to be annoyed by this series becoming so entrenched in the idea that every second sentence needs to be a reminder to players that HAHA EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD IS PAPER! "Your replies are all paper thin." I mean, come on.

It's so silly. People didn't fall in love with the first couple of PM games because everything was paper. There were other, more important things about them, and they'll never recapture that magic if they can't get past the idea of the aesthetic being the draw. I'm sure this one will be fine, especially if they're at least gonna fix the problem of having no incentive to battle. But I don't think this is what most people were hoping for.

At least Bug Fables is coming to Switch soon!

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ZeldaTPLink
05/14/20 3:38:18 PM
#60:


Leonhart4 posted...
I need strong evidence RPG Bowser is back before I commit to this.

Bowser seems to turn into a weird square thing so that looks like a possibility.

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ZeldaTPLink
05/14/20 3:39:20 PM
#61:


Battle system looks good. Still don't have enough info to see if it's an actual RPG but seems like it is.

Design looks generic at points but I saw some interesting looking characters. It seems they saved most of their creativity for the origami characters. That may or may not end up being good enough.

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Hbthebattle
05/14/20 3:40:55 PM
#62:


NBIceman posted...

But... This looks like it is pretty much an exact clone of its predecessors for all intents and purposes. It's just the shitty predecessors instead of the good ones.


What? No, it doesn't.
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HashtagSEP
05/14/20 3:42:41 PM
#63:


The fact that this actually seems to have a specific world/locales is promising, atleast.

EDIT: Well, maybe. One place looked like a unique locale, the rest looked kinda generic. It's too early to tell.

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Paratroopa1
05/14/20 3:50:59 PM
#64:


Sorry to be a downer about it but this looks fucking terrible

Please, please buy Bug Fables on switch instead! It is good
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skullbone
05/14/20 3:57:15 PM
#65:


Why do you think it looks so bad? Also the art in Bug Fables is very off putting for me. The gameplay might be fine but from trailers it looks like garbage

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MechanicalWall
05/14/20 4:04:28 PM
#66:


If you want a good paper Mario game, play South Park The Stick of Truth

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NBIceman
05/14/20 4:06:38 PM
#67:


Hbthebattle posted...
What? No, it doesn't.
It looks like it's roughly as much of a clone of SS and CS as TTYD was a clone of the original PM, so your argument really doesn't stand either way.

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HashtagSEP
05/14/20 4:10:31 PM
#68:


NBIceman posted...
It looks like it's roughly as much of a clone of SS and CS as TTYD was a clone of the original PM, so your argument really doesn't stand either way.

Eh, I don't really think that's fair to say. The only thing that makes it look like SS/CS is so far the lack of unique partners. Otherwise there's a clear story with a unique villain, things SS and CS lacked.

There's too little footage/information to know either way.

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Hbthebattle
05/14/20 4:11:24 PM
#69:


NBIceman posted...

It looks like it's roughly as much of a clone of SS and CS as TTYD was a clone of the original PM, so your argument really doesn't stand either way.

How does it not stand? Paper Mario fans saw that it wasn't a 1-to-1 clone to TTYD and threw a bitchfit
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Xiahou Shake
05/14/20 4:12:06 PM
#70:


The stronger opinions here look very funny to me considering we've got less than 3 minutes of combined footage including less than 25 seconds of combat, lol

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Paratroopa1
05/14/20 4:21:20 PM
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The game's style looks exactly like SS/CS which were both games I really disliked - the world just feels so dead and devoid of original ideas, and there isn't really any kind of story so much as there's just a sequence of things to do, more like a NSMB platformer than one of the first three Paper Mario games. With a couple of exceptions the scenario writing is just really dull and the world feels, if you'll pardon the pun, flat, compared to the rich and bizarre worlds of the first three PMs. This one just looks like a rehash of Color Splash again - it doesn't really take that much to tell. At best, it could be the best version of Color Splash possible but that still wouldn't be very fun.
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pepper2012
05/14/20 4:22:28 PM
#72:


ninkendo posted...
I wanted to see the other mario games

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HashtagSEP
05/14/20 4:22:59 PM
#73:


Paratroopa1 posted...
The game's style looks exactly like SS/CS which were both games I really disliked - the world just feels so dead and devoid of original ideas, and there isn't really any kind of story so much as there's just a sequence of things to do, more like a NSMB platformer than one of the first three Paper Mario games. With a couple of exceptions the scenario writing is just really dull and the world feels, if you'll pardon the pun, flat, compared to the rich and bizarre worlds of the first three PMs. This one just looks like a rehash of Color Splash again - it doesn't really take that much to tell. At best, it could be the best version of Color Splash possible but that still wouldn't be very fun.

How do you get even half of that from like 3 minutes of footage. We know literally nothing about how the story plays out.

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Hbthebattle
05/14/20 4:23:51 PM
#74:


Paratroopa1 posted...
The game's style looks exactly like SS/CS which were both games I really disliked - the world just feels so dead and devoid of original ideas, and there isn't really any kind of story so much as there's just a sequence of things to do, more like a NSMB platformer than one of the first three Paper Mario games. With a couple of exceptions the scenario writing is just really dull and the world feels, if you'll pardon the pun, flat, compared to the rich and bizarre worlds of the first three PMs. This one just looks like a rehash of Color Splash again - it doesn't really take that much to tell. At best, it could be the best version of Color Splash possible but that still wouldn't be very fun.

Damn i didn't know you've played the game already
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05/14/20 4:24:58 PM
#75:


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StartTheMachine
05/14/20 5:15:03 PM
#76:


https://imgur.com/a/l27TGKs

Partners look to be back for sure. Yeah, they're generic henchmen rather than unique henchmen - which is frankly a baffling decision to me - but they're there. And the combat system and world/exploration both look potentially amazing.

I'm holding out hope for this one. Nintendo has been knocking it out of the park for the entire Switch era, and I don't see them messing this up.

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LeonhartFour
05/14/20 5:16:01 PM
#77:


StartTheMachine posted...
Partners look to be back for sure. Yeah, they're generic henchmen rather than unique henchmen - which is frankly a baffling decision to me - but they're there.


I mean we already had that in Bowser's Inside Story!
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ZeldaTPLink
05/14/20 5:16:43 PM
#78:


Eh a toad with explorator clothes doesn't look generic.

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StartTheMachine
05/14/20 5:20:10 PM
#79:


Yeah the toad for some reason does look unique. So...some unique partners and others generic? Equally baffling. Honestly this whole thing doesn't really bug me that much as long as the writing for these characters is good.

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NBIceman
05/14/20 5:30:16 PM
#80:


Hbthebattle posted...
How does it not stand? Paper Mario fans saw that it wasn't a 1-to-1 clone to TTYD and threw a bitchfit
No, they saw that it was very similar to the recent terrible games in the series.

If they wanted 1-to-1 clones, they'd have never liked TTYD in the first place.

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red13n
05/14/20 5:33:02 PM
#81:


Not buying into Paper Mario until a release and word of mouth says I have something to buy into.

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Paratroopa1
05/14/20 5:33:18 PM
#82:


I mean, I liked Super Paper Mario (with reservations), and that game is about as far from the first two Paper Marios as you can get - it remains one of the most surreal and strange games anyone has ever probably made, and while I don't like it as much as the first two games, it's just fine!
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Naye745
05/14/20 5:34:48 PM
#83:


red13n posted...
Not buying into Paper Mario until a release and word of mouth says I have something to buy into.
yeah thats how i'm feeling as well. tentatively it looks fun and i certainly liked the opening plot teaser but...the prior releases have shown i need to see a final product before i'm purchasing a $60 game lol

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swordz9
05/14/20 5:36:24 PM
#84:


ZeldaTPLink posted...
Eh a toad with explorator clothes doesn't look generic.

Is that Captain Toad? :o
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ZeldaTPLink
05/14/20 5:37:20 PM
#85:


StartTheMachine posted...
Yeah the toad for some reason does look unique. So...some unique partners and others generic? Equally baffling. Honestly this whole thing doesn't really bug me that much as long as the writing for these characters is good.

What others were generic? I saw folded Bowser, which looks cool, and I guess a generic Bob-Omb but that felt like a self referential joke?

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ZeldaTPLink
05/14/20 5:37:30 PM
#86:


swordz9 posted...
Is that Captain Toad? :o

@Whiskey_Nick

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Whiskey_Nick
05/14/20 5:48:34 PM
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That is not Captain Toad.

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swordz9
05/14/20 5:50:26 PM
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StartTheMachine
05/14/20 5:57:50 PM
#89:


ZeldaTPLink posted...
What others were generic? I saw folded Bowser, which looks cool, and I guess a generic Bob-Omb but that felt like a self referential joke?

There was a magikoopa in the trailer as well, but I'm also going largely by the banner on the top of the page here:

https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/paper-mario-the-origami-king-switch/

Seems likely that's your party, but this is admittedly speculation. All generic henchmen and Bowser Jr. Even the exploration Toad is missing there, so maybe he's more of a guide or something rather than a real companion character.

Honestly who knows and I hope we find out more soon! I'm pretty hyped though.

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StealThisSheen
05/14/20 6:06:54 PM
#90:


Honestly I'm fine with generic partners as long as they actually function like partners and battle with you and stuff.

It's not like partners in previous games got tons of story beyond like the thirty seconds leading up to recruiting them. After that point they might as well be generic.

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LeonhartFour
05/14/20 6:08:23 PM
#91:


hey man there was an unbreakable bond between Mario and the Yoshi Dude from TTYD

they bonded over a love of pro wrestling and Yoshi Dude wouldn't even break kayfabe and call him Mario
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StealThisSheen
05/14/20 6:10:21 PM
#92:


In fact, honestly, if generic partners means wider partner variety, I may actually be all for it. I think that may beat the "chapter relevance and then nothing else" that previous partners had.

Give me a Chargin' Chuck partner.

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ZeldaTPLink
05/14/20 6:17:22 PM
#93:


LeonhartFour posted...
hey man there was an unbreakable bond between Mario and the Yoshi Dude from TTYD

they bonded over a love of pro wrestling and Yoshi Dude wouldn't even break kayfabe and call him Mario

Best. Partner. Ever.


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Lightning Strikes
05/14/20 6:31:19 PM
#94:


INT. Intelligent Systems

Dev 1: We got the feedback from Colour Splash, it looks like a lot of fans werent happy with the direction we took. They say they want more story, original characters and villains, a battle system more like TTYD, non-consumable regular attacks, and partners.

Dev 2: Damn. Well, how about we make a battle system that gets rid of the stickers, and adds back in features people loved like the audience. And we can add this new system to make things deeper maybe. Well bring back partners and unique characters, and how about a more serious plot like the older games? Ive got this great idea for an original villain, we can evennput his name in the title.

Dev 1: Wow, that sounds great! I bet theyre gonna love it.

The reaction:

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LeonhartFour
05/14/20 6:34:00 PM
#95:


sorry man the skepticism is justified until they show us a bit more
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Hbthebattle
05/14/20 6:35:52 PM
#96:


NBIceman posted...

No, they saw that it was very similar to the recent terrible games in the series.

If they wanted 1-to-1 clones, they'd have never liked TTYD in the first place.

How do you know its similar beyond "wtf this bob-omb has no hat, 0/10"
Because that is EXACTLY the reaction you had. It wasn't TTYD 1-to-1, so you kept screeching about Sticker Star.
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Hbthebattle
05/14/20 6:36:39 PM
#97:


LeonhartFour posted...
sorry man the skepticism is justified until they show us a bit more

Skepticism is justified. Saying "it's 100% a SS clone and I can tell this with 3 minutes of footage" is not.
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NBIceman
05/14/20 6:37:19 PM
#98:


a more serious plot
"crease yourself and be reborn"

"Your replies are paper thin."

When literally all we've seen of the plot is a couple of paper jokes, I'm not sure what's leading you to think that's the case.

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Lightning Strikes
05/14/20 6:39:53 PM
#99:


Yeah that wasnt aimed at the healthy scepticism you describe, of which there has been plenty. I was more thinking...

Hbthebattle posted...
Skepticism is justified. Saying "it's 100% a SS clone and I can tell this with 3 minutes of footage" is not.

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NBIceman
05/14/20 6:40:39 PM
#100:


Hbthebattle posted...
How do you know its similar beyond "wtf this bob-omb has no hat, 0/10"
Because that is EXACTLY the reaction you had. It wasn't TTYD 1-to-1, so you kept screeching about Sticker Star.
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