Poll of the Day > so assassins creed odyssey, did they just make a different game

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and then think it wouldn't sell so they slapped the assassins creed name on it?

what the fuck does this have to do with assassins, there isn't even a hidden blade.

it also takes place BEFORE origins, which is the ORIGINS of the assassins in general

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Bulbasaur posted...

they slapped the assassins creed name on it?

yes
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shut up

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The Blade of Leonidas is essentially the hidden blade.

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bad game

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GenericGuy posted...

bad game

Lmao no

It's literally the best game in the series, and one of the best games of the 2010s for that matter.

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it's good but i wouldn't say it's the best in the series

or even one of the best in the 2010s

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Don't all Ubisoft games follow the same basic open world template now? Or have they started to branch out at all?

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I can see an argument for the Ezio saga having a better story and that Odyssey doesn't have quite as robust of a stealth system as other games in the series, but aside from that, it has an actual well-designed combat system that truly fits an action RPG, a robust RPG system with plenty of different dialogue and route options, and an incredible interpretation of the Greek world to immerse yourself in that's open for the player to explore. There's also content to be found everywhere you look.

This is on top of top-notch production values. I get that the series has a bit of a stigma to it, and some of it is pretty well deserved(some of it less so), but Ubisoft knocked it out of the park on this one and it's okay to admit that.

Even the forced-online stuff was hardly noticeable. It's literally one NPC you don't even have to talk to.

The "timesavers" suck, but they're not required in the slightest and you can easily ignore them on the menu, because the game itself doesn't harass you about them. Ubi was way less aggressive with their micro-marketing crap this time around.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

Don't all Ubisoft games follow the same basic open world template now? Or have they started to branch out at all?

Pretty much, but Origins and Odyssey are super refined.

Odyssey finally did away with the desynching for civilian kills(i.e. having fun) and gave the game a progressive bounty system(think GTA Wanted, except it's not just running from the guards).

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Krow_Incarnate posted...

Lmao no

It's literally the best game in the series, and one of the best games of the 2010s for that matter.

no wicher 3 shits on odisey

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Bulbasaur posted...

what the fuck does this have to do with assassins, there isn't even a hidden blade.

it also takes place BEFORE origins, which is the ORIGINS of the assassins in general

You just answered your own question.

Bulbasaur posted...

and then think it wouldn't sell so they slapped the assassins creed name on it?

And yes.

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GenericGuy posted...

no wicher 3 shits on odisey

the witcher 3 shits on nothing, because it's a dumpster of a game

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Bulbasaur posted...

and then think it wouldn't sell so they slapped the assassins creed name on it?

No.



Bulbasaur posted...

what the fuck does this have to do with assassins, there isn't even a hidden blade.

The spearhead does pretty much everything the hidden blade does, except hide up your wrist. Which isn't all that important when you're not really walking around tons of crowds in places where you'd need to hide it anyway.

On top of which, you literally get the hidden blade in the DLC, where it explains how it found its way to Egypt in the first place, for Bayek to find it a few hundred years later. And it's very strongly implied that the Misthios (canonically Kassandra, though possibly Alexios in your own game) is at least partly responsible for influencing the creation of both the Templars AND the Assassins from behind the scenes.

And the games have never really been about the Assassins in the past, as much as they're about the Isu and the Assassins in the future reliving the past lives to learn how to do stuff in the present (hence why you get stuff like Minerva more or less completely ignoring Ezio so she can speak through him to Desmond hundreds of years later). The main plot behind this game is that it continues Layla's narrative and leads her to find the Staff of Trismegistus.



Bulbasaur posted...

it also takes place BEFORE origins, which is the ORIGINS of the assassins in general

Technically it takes place in 2018. Everything that happens in ancient Greece is just happening in Layla's head in the Animus.

But again, even if Origins was the literal origin of the Assassin Order in its current form, it pretty clearly wasn't the "start" of anything in terms of the overall narrative. The First Civilization is one of the key plot elements in the franchise, and that happened tens of thousands of years before the beginning of recorded human history. No one "invents" the Hidden Blade in Origins - Bayek just gets given one. And a lot of the later Assassin ideology just comes from the Medjay that predated them - but where did the Medjay come from? About the only thing that actually has an origin in Origins is the literal words of the Creed itself.

If anything, Origins just sort of underlines a point that's been repeated multiple times in the series - the Assassins are constantly reinventing themselves. The Brotherhood of Bayek's era had completely changed by the time Al Mualim was running things. Then Altar explicitly reorganizes and rebuilds the Order in his own image, Ezio does the same hundreds of years later, and it seems like the Assassins under Desmond's dad are doing things their own way as well.
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Bulbasaur posted...

the witcher 3 shits on nothing, because it's a dumpster of a game

Wow very strong opinion!!!

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Bulbasaur posted...

the witcher 3 shits on nothing, because it's a dumpster of a game

Glad I didn't have to say it.

They literally made a whole animation to point out that you can't kill civilians. What kind of RPG does that shit, rather than just letting you face the consequences of your actions?

And I keep hearing the bullshit excuse "NOT CANON, GERALT WOULDN'T DO THAT!!!!"

BS. I played enough of the first game to get the gist. If my Geralt wants to be a vindictive asshole, I should be able to do that.

This is all aside from the game itself, just not looking that fun. It can have as good of a story as it wants, but it looks dreadful to play.

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Krow_Incarnate posted...

And I keep hearing the bullshit excuse "NOT CANON, GERALT WOULDN'T DO THAT!!!!"

Assassin's Creed does this too.

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It did up until Odyssey. Odyssey lets you do whatever the fuck you want.

Even then, it wasn't that strict until the Syndicate-ish era.

Hell, in AC1 you could kill as many people as you want, get a slap on the wrist, and let your health regen for 10 seconds and then do it all again.

I never cared for it, but Odyssey smartened up.

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pretty sure po is wrong

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Krow_Incarnate posted...

It did up until Odyssey. Odyssey lets you do whatever the fuck you want.

Even then, it wasn't that strict until the Syndicate-ish era.

Hell, in AC1 you could kill as many people as you want, get a slap on the wrist, and let your health regen for 10 seconds and then do it all again.

I never cared for it, but Odyssey smartened up.

To tell the truth, I've never actually played Odyssey. I've had it for over a year but never touched it.

Downloaded because I liked the older games and the Greek setting. However, since I've been hearing about how bad it is and how it's objectively worse than the Witcher 3, so I'm worried to start it. The female protag is hot, though.

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Krow_Incarnate posted...

I can see an argument for the Ezio saga having a better story and that Odyssey doesn't have quite as robust of a stealth system as other games in the series, but aside from that, it has an actual well-designed combat system that truly fits an action RPG, a robust RPG system with plenty of different dialogue and route options, and an incredible interpretation of the Greek world to immerse yourself in that's open for the player to explore. There's also content to be found everywhere you look.

This is on top of top-notch production values. I get that the series has a bit of a stigma to it, and some of it is pretty well deserved(some of it less so), but Ubisoft knocked it out of the park on this one and it's okay to admit that.

Even the forced-online stuff was hardly noticeable. It's literally one NPC you don't even have to talk to.

The "timesavers" suck, but they're not required in the slightest and you can easily ignore them on the menu, because the game itself doesn't harass you about them. Ubi was way less aggressive with their micro-marketing crap this time around.

Exactly. It was an action RPG and not a stealth based game like previous games in the series.
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I have no problem with that argument. There's still stealth, but it is indeed primarily an Action RPG.

GenericGuy posted...

To tell the truth, I've never actually played Odyssey. I've had it for over a year but never touched it.

Downloaded because I liked the older games and the Greek setting. However, since I've been hearing about how bad it is and how it's objectively worse than the Witcher 3, so I'm worried to start it. The female protag is hot, though.

By who? It's almost universally considered a great game by most except for the old school AC fans. I consider myself an AC fan(asked for a 360, specifically for AC1 and have played/enjoyed most of the games since) and I personally think it's fantastic.

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Krow_Incarnate posted...

I have no problem with that argument. There's still stealth, but it is indeed primarily an Action RPG.

By who? It's almost universally considered a great game by most except for the old school AC fans. I consider myself an AC fan(asked for a 360, specifically for AC1 and have played/enjoyed most of the games since) and I personally think it's fantastic.

The stealth is crap for the most part. It's only basically used to get sneak attacks in so you can wipe out a enemy's health faster than just fighting them. I used it on the bounty hunters a lot and then just ran and hid so I could sneak attack again before their health recovered. I want to play it again but I think the uplay version has Denuvo on it. They gave it to me for free for being part of the Stadia beta. Not sure my computer can play it either.
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ship combat is fun

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Bulbasaur posted...

ship combat is fun

How does the ship combat in Odyssey compare to Black Flag?

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GenericGuy posted...

How does the ship combat in Odyssey compare to Black Flag?

It's essentially pulled straight from Black Flag, only with more suitable weapons for the time period.

You still get the full ship customization as well. There's a variety of things to find for your ship such as skins, sails, figureheads, and lieutenants.

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Krow_Incarnate posted...

It's essentially pulled straight from Black Flag, only with more suitable weapons for the time period.

You still get the full ship customization as well. There's a variety of things to find for your ship such as skins, sails, figureheads, and lieutenants.

Recruiting the bounty hunters was the best use of them.
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