Current Events > George Zimmerman's story is full of holes, embellishments, and lies.

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Perascamin posted...

The problem that people have with refusing to accept Zimmerman as a non-white citizen is that once you realize George Zimmernan isn't a white man, the entire media portrayal of him a stupid, racist, white hillbilly completely falls apart and so does the entire case that his actions on the night Trayvon Martin died were racially motivated.

Except Ive never argued that was the case. Its you all who jumped on the race thing.

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Shablagoo posted...

Except Ive never argued that was the case.

Pity the shitty video you keep deifying did.
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Shablagoo posted...

Except Ive never argued that was the case. Its you all who jumped on the race thing.

Lol oh bullshit. Epic bullshit.

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Perascamin posted...

The problem that people have with refusing to accept Zimmerman as a non-white citizen is that once you realize George Zimmernan isn't a white man, the entire media portrayal of him a stupid, racist, white hillbilly completely falls apart and so does the entire case that his actions on the night Trayvon Martin died were racially motivated.

Just because someone isn't white doesn't mean they can't be stupid, racist, or a hillbilly. Just so you know.

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Kastrada posted...

Just because someone isn't white doesn't mean they can't be stupid, racist, or a hillbilly. Just so you know.

According to the media, races that aren't "white" are actually incapable of being racist.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Pity the shitty video you keep deifying did.

It pretty explicitly said it did not while acknowledging the general publics view.

I know you and certain other posters ITT (I know this isnt your typical mentality but it certainly is that of the others in here FYI) want to pretend that racism is made up by the media and thats the only reason this case is disputed, but thats not where Im coming from.

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Zimmerman's race is irrelevant. What's relevant is that he stalked and murdered a teenager, and got away with it.

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Umbreon posted...

Zimmerman's race is irrelevant. What's relevant is that he stalked and murdered a teenager, and got away with it.

This didn't happen. Sorry.

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Hey what a surprise, TC Ignored all my points again

Funny how he always does that when he has no retort but is unwilling to admit fault.

Shablagoo posted...

It pretty explicitly said it did not while acknowledging the general publics view.

Bullshit. It spend the entire first and last 10 minutes rambling incoherantly about other race related cases and talked down to the viewers about the crazies who defend them and then went "and those guys also defend THIS case" which is just clickbait claptrap

It's like saying "England actually won the US revolutionary war because historically, England won a lot of wars. Therefore they won that one."

Well England may have won many other wars but they lost this specific one. Tamir Rice and Eric Garner and any other cases have no relevance to the Zimmerman one.

The entire video was framed as a soapbox to bemoan racial violence in America. That's why he had to lie so much to fit the Zimmerman incident into that box.

Then didn't even acklowedge the shit the media pulled in reopening the case while making it a race-based circus, but had the balls to whine about the guys bringing up Trayvon taking drugs.

Yeah I 100% agree Trayvon taking drugs is irrelevant. But the cognitive dissoance on display there in what was presented is insanity just to dupe people.

I know you and certain other posters ITT (I know this isnt your typical mentality but it certainly is that of the others in here FYI) want to pretend that racism is made up by the media and thats the only reason this case is disputed, but thats not where Im coming from.

"I have no argument so I will insult you."

Just going "UR RACIST!" won't change that Zimmerman was not guilty.

Of murder or manslaughter. He broke no laws and acted purely in self defense against a violent attacker. The evidence was overwhelming. The police and a jury agree.

Your entire best argument is "If we ignore all the evidence then we don't know what happened." and even in that fantasy land, Zimmerman is still not guilty.

Your only thing is ignoring facts and character attacks.

Umbreon posted...

What's relevant is that he stalked and murdered a teenager, and got away with it.

Except that didn't happen

He didn't stalk anyone
He didn't murder anyone

And he didn't get away with anything. His life was completely ruined just for defending himself. He's millions in debt, a social pariah, his mental state is shattered, he can't get a job, he lost his family and he's constantly threatened and harrased.

He got a fate worse than prison despite not commiting a crime due to a media circus duping people like you.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Your only thing is ignoring facts and character attacks.

THE FUCKING HYPOCRISY

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Shablagoo posted...

It pretty explicitly said it did not while acknowledging the general publics view.

I know you and certain other posters ITT (I know this isnt your typical mentality but it certainly is that of the others in here FYI) want to pretend that racism is made up by the media and thats the only reason this case is disputed, but thats not where Im coming from.

The only racist in this case was Trayvon Martin.

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Kastrada posted...

THE FUCKING HYPOCRISY

Name one fact I have ignored.

And he was never seen again
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Name one fact I have ignored.

And he was never seen again

Okay I've told you I am not a man but I'm a woman and you continue to troll and misgender me. Why exactly?

And you criticize someone for character attacks when you insulted me way earlier in the topic.

Didn't say you ignored a fact.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

It's like saying "England actually won the US revolutionary war because historically, England won a lot of wars. Therefore they won that one."

Actually, I once had someone try to convince me that England actually won the War of 1812 and secretly retook control of the U.S.

UnfairRepresent posted...

"I have no argument so I will insult you."

Just going "UR RACIST!" won't change that Zimmerman was not guilty.

I explicitly said I wasnt doing that, because I know you arent. I just was pointing out that the users siding with you here are only doing so because they think racism doesnt exist. And at the same time expressing the fact that Im not coming at this case from a hes a racist hillbilly with a gun! perspective, because Im not.

Can you say that if we cant prove Zimmerman guilty we also cant prove Trayvon guilty of assaulting him?

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Kastrada posted...

Okay I've told you I am not a man but I'm a woman and you continue to troll and misgender me. Why exactly?

Da fuck are you even on about?

Didn't say you ignored a fact.

Your only thing is ignoring facts

THE FUCKING HYPOCRISY

Ah so you're trolling.

Good to know
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WHY ARE YOU ENGAGING UR

ffs

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The last part. The character attacks.......

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DrizztLink posted...

WHY ARE YOU ENGAGING UR

ffs

Because the students don't come back to school for another two weeks. I have already prepped everything for the school year. And I'm bored as fuck. >_>

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Shablagoo posted...

I explicitly said I wasnt doing that, because I know you arent. I just was pointing out that the users siding with you here are only doing so because they think racism doesnt exist.

I really don't care.

If you think 2 + 2 = 4 because you hate women

And someone else thinks 2 + 2 = 5 because they love dogs.

The first guy is still right even if he is right for the wrong reasons.

And you both need better logic and thought processes. Less non-sequiturs.

Attacking people's character is and always will be dumb.

And at the same time expressing the fact that Im not coming at this case from a hes a racist hillbilly with a gun! perspective, because Im not.

But the clickbait video full of misinformation you keep praising sure does and you keep praising it.

So....

Can you say that if we cant prove Zimmerman guilty we also cant prove Trayvon guilty of assaulting him?

Well obviously since Trayvon wasn't on trial. So he's not guilty of anything by default.

But the evidence is overwhelming.

I reject your bonkers notion that we have to ignore all the evidence just to pretend we don't have a clear picture of what happened. And repeat that even if we do that utterly insane thing for no reason, Zimmerman is still not guilty.

"The evidence says Zimmerman is not guilty."
"What if we ignore it?"
"... Zimmerman is still not guilty."
"What if we ignore it and believe guilty until proven innocent?"
"Zimmerman is still not guilty."
"What if we ignore it and believe guilty until proven innocent and then make shit up?"
"... Zimmerman is still not guilty."
"Man you're so racist."
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Can someone who thinks that Martin was the aggressor, so one small thing. Prove he started the fight, not that he was winning a fight, but that he started a fight.

We know by Zimmerman's OWN words that Martin RAN from him, and Zimmerman's OWN words he went after him.


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cjsdowg posted...

We know by Zimmerman's OWN words that Martin RAN from him, and Zimmerman's OWN words he went after him.

And then Trayvon went home
Zimmerman went back towards his car

Trayvon turned round and followed and atttacked him
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Kastrada posted...

1. Why were you putting words in my mouth earlier?

Several weeks ago, I pointed out that he always does that. He had a meltdown over several pages and ended up getting warned. He was talking so much shit and denying it in the most unhinged ways possible and making weird nonsensical demands. It was pointed out that in another topic, he had responded to "imagine not having UnfairRepresent blocked" by claiming the user was saying "block UnfairRepresent because he doesn't deserve to live." Even after being repeatedly called out, he was still denying that even one instance of him putting words in someone's mouth had ever occurred.
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https://twitter.com/redditships/status/1258496756624560128

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Machete posted...

Several weeks ago, I pointed out that he always does that. He had a meltdown over several pages and ended up getting warned. He was talking so much shit and denying it in the most unhinged ways possible and making weird nonsensical demands. It was pointed out that in another topic, he had responded to "imagine not having UnfairRepresent blocked" by claiming the user was saying "block UnfairRepresent because he doesn't deserve to live." Even after being repeatedly called out, he was still denying that even one instance of him putting words in someone's mouth had ever occurred.

So it's a common occurence? That's sad.

The only time I notice them is when they troll the "Haha isn't Japan weird" -type newstories all the time.

And now they will read that and scream "I NEVER SAID JAPAN WAS WEIRD"

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Kastrada posted...

So it's a common occurence? That's sad.

The only time I notice them is when they troll the "Haha isn't Japan weird" -type newstories all the time.

And now they will read that and scream "I NEVER SAID JAPAN WAS WEIRD"

His articles definitely stand out more so he is most known for that, but yeah the putting words in other people's mouths is just as prominent a trait for him.
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Trayvon was unarmed and innocent!

hes a defenseless young minor who could have done no harm

have you seen what he looks like?

You are allowed to go in the same direction as other people. If they get all defensive and aggressive over it then thats on them

Its like those thugs who get mad when people "look" at them and get up all in their face over it for happening to glace over in their direction. If the dude 'looking' happens to have a gun and the thug attacks him for 'looking at him' then he got every right to defend himself

Machete posted...

Several weeks ago, I pointed out that he always does that. He had a meltdown over several pages and ended up getting warned. He was talking so much shit and denying it in the most unhinged ways possible and making weird nonsensical demands. It was pointed out that in another topic, he had responded to "imagine not having UnfairRepresent blocked" by claiming the user was saying "block UnfairRepresent because he doesn't deserve to live." Even after being repeatedly called out, he was still denying that even one instance of him putting words in someone's mouth had ever occurred.

IReallyDoubtIt posted...

https://twitter.com/redditships/status/1258496756624560128

Lmaoo

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You didnt know that because its untrue and he cant give you any evidence that that is what actually occurred.

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Shablagoo posted...

Because its untrue and he cant give you any evidence that that is what actually occurred.

Except for all the evidence that was presented at the trial which found Zimmerman not guilty*

Which you keep ignoring

toyota posted...

You are allowed to go in the same direction as other people. If they get all defensive and aggressive over it then thats on them

Its like those thugs who get mad when people "look" at them and get up all in their face over it for happening to glace over in their direction. If the dude 'looking' happens to have a gun and the thug attacks him for 'looking at him' then he got every right to defend himself

It's even worse than that

Travyon had mounted him and was repeatedly smashing him the face while saying he was going to die.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Travyon had mounted him and was repeatedly smashing him the face while saying he was going to die.

Youre such a liar dude lmao

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"Your a liar dude" ~ Hypocrite who refuses to look at the trial he spends weeks denoucing baselessly.

All I'm doing is reporting the facts and you're just ignoring them.

You solely argue in bad faith, you lie, insult people and ignore everything. It's insane.

Why are you so unwilling to look up the trial? Why do you ignore the police reports? Witness statements? Physical location? Forensic evidence? Injures to Trayvon and Zimmerman? Timeline of the event + time recorded on the phone calls?

Why do you repeat lies like Zimmerman ignoring police or that he would have been sentenced for manslaughter even though the jury found him not guilty of manslaughter?

Why is it that all you have is to ignore every single fact, including the notion of innocent until proven guilty and then just insult people?

And you will ignore that too. Just bad faith. Complete and utter bad faith arguer.
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Conflict posted...

I genuinely think Unfair comes to CE and ctrl+f's "Zimmerman" and "Trayvon" every single day so he can keep arguing and trolling about this forever.

And brings the case up every single time any black person is murdered, even with Ahmaud despite the fact that he agrees he was murdered in this case.

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And what a surprise

Ignored all points. Threw out insults.
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Yeah because youre just repeating fantasy about what happened that night. Theres nothing showing Trayvon reached his house and then doubled back.

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Shablagoo posted...

Yeah because youre just repeating fantasy about what happened that night. Theres nothing showing Trayvon reached his house and then doubled back.

Why do you say this blatant lie?

Why do you ignore the trial?

Why do you ignore the police reports? Witness statements? Physical location? Forensic evidence? Injures to Trayvon and Zimmerman? Timeline of the event + time recorded on the phone calls?

There is more evidence demonstrating Trayvon reached his house and doubled back than there is evidence that Jesus existed.

Trayvon Martin's own friend admitted on the call that Trayvon reached his home and turned round to confront zimmerman. Witnesses saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman and Zimmerman try to restrain him. The location of the attack and timeline of both Trayvon and Zimmerman's calls match that. The wounds both to Zimmerman and Trayvon and match that of a sucker punch followed by mounted punching followed by a gunshot.

It was overwhelming so much so the jury found Zimmerman not guilty of Murder, Manslaughter and Child Abuse.

It was so overwhelming the police didn't even charge Zimmerman and closed the case until the national media made a race based circus of the event, doctoring phone calls to make him sound racist and lying about the case (like you) to get it reopened.

You intentionally choose to ignore all of this for no reason other than being too stubborn to admit you got duped by clickbait media.

It's grotesque and sadistic at this point to so willfully.
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What's zimmerman's life like now unfair? People say he went free but he doesn't really have much left.

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LightningAce11 posted...

What's zimmerman's life like now unfair? People say he went free but he doesn't really have much left.

It's nuked.

He's millions in debt, lost his family, petty much unhirable, he's stalked, harrased and threatened in the streets, chased away when recongized, gets death threats, had to endure a crazy trial and years of a painful media circus

He can't sneeze while drinking coffee without someone saying it's an attack because the coffee was black.

And pretty much the only group that will accept him are gun nuts and Trumpers.

His life was destroyed. Arguably a fate worse than prison.

Even random people called "George Zimmerman" are experiencing death threats, harrasment, houses being egged etc because of people like TC.

Last I heard he was suing the media networks and prosecution for blatantly lying about him for millons of dollars. And he's right, in a fair world he'd win that case. But I suspect he doesn't have the funds to keep it going. He's millions in debt, how can he take large rich corportations to court for years?

I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up killing himself one day
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Do you think a part of zimmerman wishes that he had ignored trayvon that night?

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Well trayvon was full of holes so there will be blood

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LightningAce11 posted...

Do you think a part of zimmerman wishes that he had ignored trayvon that night?

Obviously.

I think all of Zimmerman wishes that night never happened. I think pretty much all victims wish whatever happened to them never happened.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

And pretty much the only group that will accept him are gun nuts and Trumpers.

Damn.

I'm trying to just read through this with neutrality in mind, but...

Damn.

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LightningAce11 posted...

Do you think a part of zimmerman wishes that he had ignored trayvon that night?

No he is a racist psychopath and he sees that if he kills a black kid that people will defend him no matter what.
In Zimmermans OWN words. MARTIN ran from him. So people are defending someone who admitted chases a kid and then kills him.

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cjsdowg posted...

No he is a racist psychopath and he sees that if he kills a black kid that people will defend him no matter what.
In Zimmermans OWN words. MARTIN ran from him. So people are defending someone who admitted chases a kid and then kills him.

so according to you , if you run away from someone you now have the right to ambush and attempt to kill them?

wut

But like TC, you ignore all the facts too
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Conflict posted...

TC, just block UR now. I think he's run his course

but what if Im just ignoring all the facts that UR made up

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With Zimmerman and with Arbery. The people who killed them BOTH admit to chasing them, and yet people still want to say they were acting in self defense. How is that possible .

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Shablagoo posted...

but what if Im just ignoring all the facts that UR made up

I made up the trial and the jury and the police reports and the phone calls and the forensic evidence?

blimey with that much power I could rule the world

but as usual, no points or counters. just lies, insults and evasions

Theres a reason you'll watch shitty clickbait YouTube videos but still aggressively refuse to look at the damn trial
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