Current Events > George Zimmerman's story is full of holes, embellishments, and lies.

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metallica846 posted...

Zimmerman is half white so its not unheard of to say that. He definitely looks white.

Sure

But if Zimmerman was killed, the media would report him as hispanic.

Calling him hispanic didn't fit the race narrative they wanted to dupe gullible people with so they quietly dropped the hispanic part the same time they doctors his phone calls, literally changed the contrast to make him look whiter in photos and put up photos of trayvon as a small child (something TC's vid did too) while throwing clickbait nonsense headlines and articles.

It was a circus. For ratings and attention. Which they got in spades.
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And for people arguing Zimmerman's race, he's fucking mixed. It's really not that hard people.

Half white/half Latino.

And us mixed-race people can and do identify as either mixture depending on how we feel. Or we just identify as mixed. So self-identifying as white at one point doesn't negate his other side. Nor does it prevent himself from later identifying as his Latino side either.

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Shablagoo posted...

According to the guy that murdered him with no witnesses. Hmm, wonder if he had any motivation to lie.

*And oodles of additional evidence.

Including witnesses actually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEkPWcIP0k0

Silliest part is if you go down the road of "Well we just don't know what happened." then Zimmerman is still not guilty by default.

Innocent until proven guilty.

"I believe in guilty until proven innocent and I refuse to look at the evidence that displays innocence. So he deserves to die." is such an insane intellectually dishonest case of mental gymnastics that it would be comically hilarious if not for the serious subject matter.
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I'm from a mixed race family and NO ONE calls themselves a bullshit term like "white hispanic". But hey, white liberals are the experts.

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Shablagoo posted...

According to the guy that murdered him with no witnesses. Hmm, wonder if he had any motivation to lie.

Did you not see the photos of Georges head?

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Jagermeister513 posted...

I'm from a mixed race family and NO ONE calls themselves a bullshit term like "white hispanic". But hey, white liberals are the experts.

I consider myself white hispanic. Im part German and Spanish.

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Trayvon Martin was a violent racist.

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Jagermeister513 posted...

I'm from a mixed race family and NO ONE calls themselves a bullshit term like "white hispanic". But hey, white liberals are the experts.

No white hispanic is a thing.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

No white hispanic is a thing.

Yeah, just like Latinx is a thing.

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metallica846 posted...

Oh wow. All that evidence clearing his name and people still think he should be in prison?? Sounds like a witch hunt that backfired. Why the heck would people insist on putting an innocent man in jail?

People would rather continue the myths and lies than admit fault.

People like TC do not want to admit they got duped by the media or by clickbait online. They don't want to come to terms with being mistaken about something, especially something they sunk costs into claiming.

There's a reason they won't respond to basic points, questions or facts

So when reality doesn't match it, reality is at fault. Not them.

You see the same thing with anti-vaxxers, evolution deniers, a lot of Trump supporters etc.

"My inauguration crowd was bigger than Obamas."
"No it factually was not."
"Fake news. Check out this video on how libs are stoopid!"

"Zimmerman murdered someone"
"No he factually didn't."
"Llalllalalala Check out this CNN video on how racists are stoopid!"

"We never actually landed on the moon."
"Yes we factually did."
"Liar! Look at this video that shows the prop guys initials on this rock!"

"Corona Virus is actually caused by 5G"
"No it's factually a virus."
"Sheep! check out this blog about a scientist who was murdered before his breakthrough that proved it"

It's the same thing.

tl:dr: Close mindedness.
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Not to mention Jabba Jantel turned out to be a fake witness.

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The witness didnt see the altercation.

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Case and point.
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Shablagoo posted...

The witness didnt see the altercation.

Trayvon Martin would be alive if he didn't assault someone for no reason.

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This case really marked the shift of CE to political shitposting.

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Jagermeister513 posted...

Trayvon Martin would be alive if he didn't assault someone for no reason.

There is no proof that he did. How can you claim Zimmerman was acting in self defense without acknowledging that Trayvon may have been also? After all, he lost his life while Zimmerman escaped with a few minor scratches.

Not to mention he acted recklessly at almost every step leading up to the altercation and his story doesnt make sense. Hes not guilty until proven innocent like the absurd strawman that UR has concocted, but his actions suggest manslaughter as he initiated the encounter against the advice of the police.

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Shablagoo posted...

There is no proof that he did. How can you claim Zimmerman was acting in self defense without acknowledging that Trayvon may have been also? After all, he lost his life while Zimmerman escaped with a few minor scratches.

Not to mention he acted recklessly at almost every step leading up to the altercation and his story doesnt make sense. Hes not guilty until proven innocent like the absurd strawman that UR has concocted, but his actions suggest manslaughter as he initiated the encounter against the advice of the police.

Everything you just said is a lie.

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Jagermeister513 posted...

Everything you just said is a lie.

I never thought you were this sort of poster until this topic. Now I know, I guess.

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Shablagoo posted...

There is no proof that he did.

There is however overwhelming evidence that he did.

How can you claim Zimmerman was acting in self defense without acknowledging that Trayvon may have been also?

Because

1. Trayvon started the fight.

2. There is overwhelming evidence.

3. Even If you ignore point 1 and 2 and pull "Well we just don't know what happened." then Zimmerman is still not guilty by default.

Innocent until proven guilty.

"I believe in guilty until proven innocent and I refuse to look at the evidence that displays innocence. So he deserves to die." is such an insane intellectually dishonest case of mental gymnastics that it would be comically hilarious if not for the serious subject matter.

After all, he lost his life while Zimmerman escaped with a few minor scratches.

IT's almost like Zimmerman defended himself or something.

Not to mention he acted recklessly at almost every step leading up to the altercation and his story doesnt make sense.

Recklessly left his car and recklessly walked down a public street while recklessly calmly talking to police.

Truly a man of vigor and passion. Not just some fat dopey bum from Florida.

Hes not guilty until proven innocent like the absurd strawman that UR has concocted, but his actions suggest manslaughter as he initiated the encounter against the advice of the police.

False. He did not do it against advice of the police. The encounter had already started and he never opposed dispatcher advice. You're just lying.

His actions do not suggest manslaugher, and a jury found him not guilty of it based on the evidence.

And you are advocating guilty until proven innocent. You're going "I will ignore all the evidence, and we don't know what happened. Therefore he's guilty."

It's barbaric. All to just avoid admitting that you got duped by the media.
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Shablagoo posted...

I never thought you were this sort of poster until this topic. Now I know, I guess.

Sorry you are constantly wrong.

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Im gonna follow him.

We dont need you to do that.

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Shablagoo posted...

Im gonna follow him.

We dont need you to do that.

A 911 dispatcher is not a police officer. Sorry, kid. You lose again.

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Shablagoo posted...

Im gonna follow him.

We dont need you to do that.

1. That's not an instruction.

2. What was the response you conviently didn't show?

"ok"

Says it all that you ignore 99% of what everyone says to pick the 1% you think you can retort... And still utterly fail
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I mean you could honestly present a case for why Im wrong, or you could continue to say you got tricked by the media silly moo! endlessly.

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I've presented a case for why you were wrong like 47 times in this topic alone. You ignore all of it just like you ignore the trial.

You ignore everything I've stated in every post except like the 3 things you think you can counter, then they get destroyed and you ignore that too.

And then you lie like you did just then.

But let's start the very basic most obvious one you keep ignoring

If your argument is "Once we ignore all of the evidence then we simply don't know what happened?" then how can Zimmerman be anything except not guilty by default?
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Hello 2011

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Shablagoo posted...

I mean you could honestly present a case for why Im wrong, or you could continue to say you got tricked by the media silly moo! endlessly.

Lol the irony.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

But let's start the very basic most obvious one you keep ignoring

If your argument is "Once we ignore all of the evidene then we simply don't know what happened?" then how can Zimmerman be anything except not guilty by default?

He is not guilty of murder, as theres no evidence he intended to murder Trayvon. He is guilty of manslaughter for stalking a teenager and provoking an altercation. You seriously believe Trayvon made those verbal threats at him? They sound like something out of a 90s B movie, and its very convenient that he would happen to say something that justifies Zimmermans self-defense.

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Shablagoo posted...

He is not guilty of murder, as theres no evidence he intended to murder Trayvon. He is guilty of manslaughter for stalking a teenager and provoking an altercation. You seriously believe Trayvon made those verbal threats at him? They sound like something out of a 90s B movie, and its very convenient that he would happen to say something that justifies Zimmermans self-defense.

"Stalking a teenager" = waiting for police to show up and then being assaulted by a violent teenager that doubled back from his home. Okay boomer.

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Shablagoo posted...

He is not guilty of murder, as theres no evidence he intended to murder Trayvon. He is guilty of manslaughter for stalking a teenager and provoking an altercation.

1. You switched horses. You went "We don't know what happened." and now are going "ACtually we do knw what happened! Zimmerman provoked an altercation!"

2. The jury was told they could include charges of manslaughter and child abuse.

They found Zimmerman not guilty on self-defense laws on all counts.

The motive of Zimmerman and his mindset was not relevant to the result of the trial. The prosecution simply had no case. The evidence was overwhelming.

You keep ignoring this because your shitty video didn't bring it up.

You seriously believe Trayvon made those verbal threats at him? They sound like something out of a 90s B movie, and its very convenient that he would happen to say something that justifies Zimmermans self-defense.

The evidence backs up the claims and makes it likely.

Either way the point is moot.

It's innocent until proven guilty. Not guilty until proven innocent. You going "Well if we ignore the evidence you can't prove this happened." means Zimmerman is still not guilty by default.

You keep ignoring this.
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Jagermeister513 posted...

"Stalking a teenager" = waiting for police to show up and then being assaulted by a violent teenager that doubled back from his home. Okay boomer.

He followed him. If he had stayed where he was to wait for the police and Trayvon doubles back, they would have been in a different place then they were when the shooting happened.

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Shablagoo posted...

He followed him. If he had stayed where he was to wait for the police and Trayvon doubles back, they would have been in a different place then they were when the shooting happened.

Lol fail.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

The motive of Zimmerman and his mindset was not relevant to the result of the trial.

Correct.

UnfairRepresent posted...

The evidence backs up the claims and makes it likely.

What evidence, specifically? And George saying he said it isnt evidence.

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Jagermeister513 posted...

Lol fail.

Yeah you did lol it was funny

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Shablagoo posted...

Yeah you did lol it was funny

Bro, you can defend a dead violent racist all you want. It doesn't change the facts.

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Josiah_Is_Back posted...

Also, the phone call was edited, as ..... mentioned, to make Zimmerman sound racist. Something along the lines of: "Yeah, there's this suspicious guy walking around behind the houses... he looks black."

I am so fucking tired to of this shit. This happen once and he is still a got damn racist on both calls.

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ncsonic posted...

White people love this story, especially after Zimmerman got acquitted, it's "payback for OJ Simpson" and "haha we win"

Zimmerman isn't white

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Perascamin posted...

Zimmerman isn't white

He's literally as white as Obama

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Perascamin posted...

Zimmerman isn't white

Zimmerman father is white, and he listed himself as white on different documents .

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EnragedSlith posted...

No, what's stupid is disregarding that law and justice are open to interpretation. Calling it an overreach to charge Zimmerman with murder is no different than stating you don't believe he's guilty of murder. He stalked a child and killed him. That's murder. If the races were reversed, the result would have been different. That's the reality. Not an overreach.

Jesus christ, some people.

So if Zimmerman was black and Martin was Hispanic it would've been different?

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cjsdowg posted...

Zimmerman father is white, and he listed himself as white on different documents .

Obama's mom is white, so why is he the first black president?

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And he'salready back to ignoring all the points again

Didn't take long.Shablagoo posted...

He followed him. If he had stayed where he was to wait for the police and Trayvon doubles back, they would have been in a different place then they were when the shooting happened.

Victim blaming

"If she didn't wear the sexy dress she wouldn't be raped."

Walking down the public street is not a crime. Trayvon had no right to attack him

Shablagoo posted...

What evidence, specifically? And George saying he said it isnt evidence.

Everything

The time on the phone calls, both the dispatcher and Trayvons friend.
Jeantel's account
The witness
The location of the encounter
Travyon getting home, turning around and going after Zimmerman
The lack of any wounds on Trayvon beyond the gunshot and bruised knuckles from punching
The location and trajectory of the bullet
Zimmerman's injuries

You're pretending the only evidence is zimmerman's word and not the mountains of evidence that corobates it.

You're right that we have no proof that Travyon said "What's your problem!?"

But everything we know is consistent on Trayvon going to confront Zimmerman, sucker punching him, mounting him, punching more while Zimmerman screams, getting shot, Zimmerman not knowing Trayvon is dead and trying to restrain him.

1. The evidence we do have of what occured is overwhelming. Trayvon followed Zimmerman and attacked him. We have more evidence of that than we have evidence that Jesus existed.

2. Even if you ignore it. Zimmerman is still not guilty by default. So it's all a moot exercise regardless.

It's such a silly hill to die on.

Go look at the trial

I'm sick of pointing shit out and you just ignoring it.
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Obama didn't tell me he was white, and Zimmerman's mom is Hispanic which is not a race.

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cjsdowg posted...

Obama didn't tell me he was white, and Zimmerman's mom is Hispanic which is not a race.

But he still has a white mother. So, how is he the first black president?

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cjsdowg posted...

Obama didn't tell me he was white, and Zimmerman's mom is Hispanic which is not a race.

Neither is white or black

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Perascamin posted...

So if Zimmerman was black and Martin was Hispanic it would've been different?

It never would have gone to trial

The police didn't even charge Zimmerman at the time it occured because the case was open and shut

The case was reopened due to a media circus that kicked off because the national media doctored a tape to make Zimmerman sound racist.

Then followed that with clickbait style write ups of "WHITE MAN STALKS AND SHOOTS UNARMED BLACK CHILD, STAND YOUR GROUND OR MURDER?" with photos of Martin as an 11 year old and Zimmerman looking like a prison convict. With the contrast altered to make zimmerman whiter.

If Zimmeran was black then the media wouldn't have done that and you never would have heard of either of them.

It would just be an open and shut local Florida self defense case that no one ever talked about.

The whole thing was a circus to dupe people. They used racebaiting to make millions and get ratings
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The problem that people have with refusing to accept Zimmerman as a non-white citizen is that once you realize George Zimmernan isn't a white man, the entire media portrayal of him a stupid, racist, white hillbilly completely falls apart and so does the entire case that his actions on the night Trayvon Martin died were racially motivated.

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Jagermeister513 posted...

cjsdowg posted...

Obama didn't tell me he was white, and Zimmerman's mom is Hispanic which is not a race.

But he still has a white mother. So, how is he the first black president?

What astounds me about this is how you guys can have this debate and not realize how pointless race is.

There is no definition for it. It doesn't mean anything. It's just some bullshit people made up to divide oursevles and other the outsider. We're all humans.
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Perascamin posted...

The problem that people have with refusing to accept Zimmerman as a non-white citizen is that once you realize George Zimmernan isn't a white man, the entire media portrayal of him a stupid, racist, white hillbilly completely falls apart and so does the entire case that his actions on the night Trayvon Martin died were racially motivated.

Yup.

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