Poll of the Day > Why do some white people always go Nazi/Confederate on the bit?

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Its like theyll never let go of the past. If they want to prove their dominance/arguement theyl start waving the nazi/Confederate flag to try to gain the edge. Just shows ya racism will never go away.

You can have slavery and not be racist... just be an equal opportunity exploiter

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During WW2, there was a huge Nazi following in America in the NY area. And America, especially German-Americans supported Hitler more than we were ever told. The German American Bund was a Pro nazi german-American organization that was hugely popular in America in the 1930s.

In the years before the outbreak of World War II, people of German ancestry living abroad were encouraged to form citizens groups to both extol German virtues, around the world, and to lobby for causes helpful to Nazi Party goals.

In the US this became the German American Bund, an organization of Patriotic Americans with German stock which operated around 20-25 youth and training camps.

In February 20, 1939, the Bund held an Americanization rally in New Yorks Madison Square Garden, denouncing Jewish conspiracies, President Roosevelt, and others. The rally, attended by 20,000 supporters and members, was protested by huge crowds of anti-Nazis, who were held back by 1,500 NYC police officers.


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Im not sure why people rally behind the confederate flag. Yeah, its to support the ideas that the Confederates had, but people should still remember that they lost.

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There was some sort for the now-infamous German party before and during the early war. America itself never ratified the Treaty of Versailles, and the sentiment that it was too much likely led to many initially seeing German's early WW2 actions as just. You know, until they started going too far (militarily, that is). And of course, once the war was nearing its end, the REALLY bad genocidal stuff started to get exposed, and that just all but destroyed whatever sympathy people had for the party.

That treaty following WW1 was not meant for peace. It was meant for revenge. And revenge begets further revenge. It is somewhat sad that the events following WW2 led America to effectively forget this fact, despite the fact that it seemed to be one of the more reasonable parties in the negotiations following WW1.

As for the confederate flag, I imagine there are two main camps (this is just a guess on my part, of course).

1. The camp who are racist and likely still wish they could exploit a non-them people group for their own benefits.
2. The camp who see the flag as a symbol of rebelling against the federal government.

There is likely some overlap, but I imagine there are plenty of people who only fit into one of those two as well.
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Sephiroth C Ryu posted...

That treaty following WW1 was not meant for peace. It was meant for revenge. And revenge begets further revenge. It is somewhat sad that the events following WW2 led America to effectively forget this fact, despite the fact that it seemed to be one of the more reasonable parties in the negotiations following WW1.

Reparations? Germany stopped paying reparations (whose debts had already been rescheduled and reduced under the Dawes and Young plans) in 1932 -- even before Hitler came to power -- and ended up paying only one-eighth of the required sum, and only about half the cost of the colossal damage that Germany had inflicted on France during the war. (In fact Germany actually paid even less than that, because it used US loans to finance its reparations liability and then defaulted on the repayments. Germany may have paid, at most, only 7% of its total national income over the four years of 1920-23.) Boo hoo, poor Germany.

Funny how Germans had short memories, forgetting that the reparations clauses under Versailles were not much more punitive than those imposed by the Germans on France under the Treaty of Frankfurt in 1871, in which France was forced to pay Germany a war indemnity amounting to 5 billion francs within three years. Or that under the Berlin Treaty of August 1918, Russia was forced to pay Germany 6 billion marks in war reparations.

But only a few short months later, as soon as Germany gets handed a check for the cost of the devastation it wrought during the war (not only in battle, but for example as part of Operation Alberich, its systematic scorched-earth program to reduce the Somme region to a depopulated wasteland, or its spiteful, deliberate flooding of French coalmines in the departments of Nord and Pas-de-Calais during the retreat) -- suddenly Germans start wailing and gnashing their teeth and protesting about how reparations are all about revenge, and everybody rushes to scrape the "poor Germany" violin.

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idk but lead being prevalent in everything back in the day really did a number on these peoples cognition. they say the dumber you are, the more fearful of everything you become and these people seem to be absolutely terrified of everyone that doesnt look and think exactly like they do.

its legit scary

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Well, you can at least say that people who wave around Confederate or Nazi flags are shoving their racist attitudes right into your face in the most blatant way possible without generally trying to deny, downplay or disguise them, or pretend their beliefs are somehow different to what they are. It's not always the most visible and vocal minority of extremists that's the most difficult to get to grips with.

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I think the gross chunky triple chin "white master race" people with the yawl in their voice and no education are actually insecure and want a reason to claim superiority for the first time in their lives. Hell, they probably know only one demographic is going to respect them anyway.

I_Always_Die posted...

idk but lead being prevalent in everything back in the day really did a number on these peoples cognition. they say the dumber you are, the more fearful of everything you become and these people seem to be absolutely terrified of everyone that doesnt look and think exactly like they do.

its legit scary

This could also be true, I guess if IQ scores are tied to racism, but you could also use that to say they aren't feeling "superior" or even "average"

Sadly I can't Google it, if I Google "racism and IQ" I get the racial IQ gap controversy stuff. And you can't even find the results to that unless you want to go on some fucking white supremacy board. I think Indians won by far

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idk how much of an IQ thing it is. there are still somehow people with really high IQs that are super racist unfortunately

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Look at all the people on GameFaqs that parade the Nazi "Master Race" catchphrase.

And why can't the Confederate Flag just be a symbol of pride in the American South, like it was for my grandfather?

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The irony here is that people are so quick to point out Nazi or Confederate flags as signs of tyranny, but no one mentions how tyrannical the "rainbow" flags are....

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Joker_X_II posted...

The irony here is that people are so quick to point out Nazi or Confederate flags as signs of tyranny, but no one mentions how tyrannical the "rainbow" flags are....

Homophobes do.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Homophobes do.

point proven.

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I find it racist that you say white people turn Nazi / Confederate.

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Because US people sided with the South and Nazis and they can't make a claim to the Great Tea Empire they rejected.
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^ Except the North won the US Civil War over the south, and then fought against e Nazis in WW2. What the fuck are you talking about?

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I actually knew some people in high school that thought the confederate flag could just be a symbol of southern hospitality.

I don't even live in the south and half my high school was half obsessed with the damn thing. And most of them seemed tho think the thing I said above...

ChaosAzeroth posted...

I actually knew some people in high school that thought the confederate flag could just be a symbol of southern hospitality.

I don't even live in the south and half my high school was half obsessed with the damn thing. And most of them seemed tho think the thing I said above...

Honestly I think this has roots almost entirely on things like the Dukes of Hazard.

Reality is the flag was used as a symbol by those fighting against civil rights. They want to ignore it because they saw it on TV when they were younger in situations that weren't negative and the folks who like it tend to be rather antigovernment so waving a flag they associate with treason doesn't bother them.

FrozenBananas posted...

Except the North won the US Civil War over the south

They didn't win the hearts of the South though. They're the underdog and they didn't get steamrolled, they can pull pride and a sense of oppression from that.

FrozenBananas posted...

and then fought against e Nazis in WW2.

The US avoided conflict due to it having German citizens who sympathise with the Nazis; they only went in for the profit. The amount of success Germany had in WW2 is one of the most recent displays of raw military prowess, of course weak people with European blood are going to latch on to that to claim hereditary dominance.
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BlackScythe0 posted...

Reality is the flag was used as a symbol by those fighting against civil rights.

Revisionism at its finest.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Revisionism at its finest.

The fuck do you even mean? It's a fact.

BlackScythe0 posted...

The fuck do you even mean? It's a fact.

Fighting to maintain economic stability, which meant not expanding rights to the slaves. They weren't twirling their moustaches fighting to just be evil for the sake of it.

It's the same as people in coal mines fighting to keep their jobs alive. They're not fighting to smog out the planet, they're fighting to keep food on the table.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Fighting to maintain economic stability, which meant not expanding rights to the slaves. They weren't twirling their moustaches fighting to just be evil for the sake of it.

It's the same as people in coal mines fighting to keep their jobs alive. They're not fighting to smog out the planet, they're fighting to keep food on the table.

What are you talking about? Modern usage of the flag, the current version of which never represented the confedracy during the civil war, has it's roots with dixiecrats in 1948.

Why would you want to associate with a dead, incompetent party? What have Dixiecrats got to do with Confederates? And finally, why is the civil war brought up with the flag rather than saying they want to go back to the 40s?
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BlackScythe0 posted...

Honestly I think this has roots almost entirely on things like the Dukes of Hazard.

Reality is the flag was used as a symbol by those fighting against civil rights. They want to ignore it because they saw it on TV when they were younger in situations that weren't negative and the folks who like it tend to be rather antigovernment so waving a flag they associate with treason doesn't bother them.

Honestly this makes a lot of sense, probably explains/sums things up pretty nicely. Despite me not being all that old too. (The final episode aired almost 3 months before my birthday apparently.)