Board 8 > Coronavirus topic 7: Biohazard

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saw this post within an article saying that sunlight kills the virus but itll last past summer:

The Rules:

1. Basically, you can't leave the house for any reason, but if you have to, then you can.

2. Masks are useless, but maybe you have to wear one, it can save you, it is useless, but maybe it is mandatory as well.

3. Stores are closed, except those that are open.

4. You should not go to hospitals unless you have to go there. Same applies to doctors, you should only go there in case of emergency, provided you are not too sick.

5. This virus is deadly but still not too scary, except that sometimes it actually leads to a global disaster.

6. Gloves won't help, but they can still help.

7. Everyone needs to stay HOME, but it's important to GO OUT.

8. There is no shortage of groceries in the supermarket, but there are many things missing when you go there in the evening, but not in the morning. Sometimes.

9. The virus has no effect on children except those it affects.

10. Animals are not affected, but there is still a cat that tested positive in Belgium in February when no one had been tested, plus a few tigers here and there

11. You will have many symptoms when you are sick, but you can also get sick without symptoms, have symptoms without being sick, or be contagious without having symptoms. Oh, my..

12. In order not to get sick, you have to eat well and exercise, but eat whatever you have on hand and it's better not to go out, well, but no

13. It's better to get some fresh air, but you get looked at very wrong when you get some fresh air, and most importantly, you don't go to parks or walk. But dont sit down, except that you can do that now if you are old, but not for too long or if you are pregnant (but not too old).

14. You can't go to retirement homes, but you have to take care of the elderly and bring food and medication.

15. If you are sick, you can't go out, but you can go to the pharmacy.

16. You can get restaurant food delivered to the house, which may have been prepared by people who didn't wear masks or gloves. But you have to have your groceries decontaminated outside for 3 hours. Pizza too?

17. Every disturbing article or disturbing interview starts with " I don't want to trigger panic, but"

18. You can't see your older mother or grandmother, but you can take a taxi and meet an older taxi driver.

19. You can walk around with a friend but not with your family if they don't live under the same roof.

20. You are safe if you maintain the appropriate social distance, but you cant go out with friends or strangers at the safe social distance.

21. The virus remains active on different surfaces for two hours, no, four, no, six, no, we didn't say hours, maybe days? But it takes a damp environment. Oh no, not necessarily.

22. The virus stays in the air - well no, or yes, maybe, especially in a closed room, in one hour a sick person can infect ten, so if it falls, all our children were already infected at school before it was closed. But remember, if you stay at the recommended social distance, however in certain circumstances you should maintain a greater distance, which, studies show, the virus can travel further, maybe.

23. We count the number of deaths but we don't know how many people are infected as we have only tested so far those who were "almost dead" to find out if that's what they will die of

24. We have no treatment, except that there may be one that apparently is not dangerous unless you take too much (which is the case with all medications).

25. We should stay locked up until the virus disappears, but it will only disappear if we achieve collective immunity, so when it circulates but we must no longer be locked up for that?

Jakyl25 posted...

How do you define that though if the stock market continues to rebound as it has been

unemployment. the stock market is trying to prop itself up with people jumping in and out but if people aren't working a lot of those numbers are gonna have a hit sooner than later.

Great Depression had unemployment at about 25% at its worst, this is 1933. but 1931 was 15.9%.
highest since then was 2009 with 9.9%.

but right now we're already estimating to be at around 15% with 22 million out and expecting millions more soon. meaning, by this time next week we should have surpassed 1931's per capita numbers. if we do not find a way to get out of that, it spirals downwards, which in turn means time for more market crashing.

we do have systems in place to help with this now that we didn't back then, unemployment payments are immensely helpful here, we're basically printing money that would normally be used in the economy to sustain it. we shouldn't expect much, if any inflation out of this if it's done in the short term.

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Well this is pretty much as expected

https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1251260796476305409

ShatteredElysium posted...

Well this is pretty much as expected

https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1251260796476305409

Those people must feel so liberated
Wish the beach near me reopened

gamer man posted...

Those people must feel so liberated
Wish the beach near me reopened

Wonder how liberated they will be feeling...in about 2 weeks.

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SovietOmega posted...

Wonder how liberated they will be feeling...in about 2 weeks.

If you are worried about getting sick then you obviously dont go to the beach? Why cant we have both

gamer man posted...

If you are worried about getting sick then you obviously dont go to the beach? Why cant we have both

Because the virus is really good at infecting people even if no symptoms are present?

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Didn't we just have this problem with the doofus spring breakers?

This is not going to be a good look in a few weeks.

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gamer man posted...

If you are worried about getting sick then you obviously dont go to the beach? Why cant we have both

This may blow your mind, but the virus is capable of transmitting from dumbasses who do things like going to the beach during a pandemic to responsible people who don't

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FFDragon posted...

Didn't we just have this problem with the doofus spring breakers?

This is not going to be a good look in a few weeks.

https://assets.rbl.ms/22884839/origin.jpg
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FFDragon posted...

Didn't we just have this problem with the doofus spring breakers?

This is not going to be a good look in a few weeks.

They aren't drinking beers out of each other's butts and jumping on each other moshing.

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Corrik7 posted...

They aren't drinking beers out of each other's butts and jumping on each other moshing.

Why even live then?
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Lol I feel that was the springbreakers arguments lol

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Some more good news on the antibody front.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/493406-the-initial-results-from-californias-coronavirus

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If infections are 50-fold like the lower end of that suggests then over 50% of new York is infected.

If 80-fold... All of New York... Lol.

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I skimmed that paper. Santa Clara was one of the earliest outbreaks and was getting quite bad before the bay area locked down so it's not totally absurd, but I'm definitely worried about the impacts of false positives on those estimates.

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Corrik7 posted...

If infections are 50-fold like the lower end of that suggests then over 50% of new York is infected.

If 80-fold... All of New York... Lol.

If 80% of New York is infected then open it back up why bother at this point ? 80% have it/had it and the other 20% will get it so

gamer man posted...

If 80% of New York is infected then open it back up why bother at this point ? 80% have it/had it and the other 20% will get it so

I'm sure they would if they know that.

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If that happened it would mean Staten Island is somehow like 95% asymptomatic cases.

Manhattan probably around 70%.
At that point I'd just have to ask what biological markers distinguish both, like blood types, because that's too drastic.

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Kinglicious posted...

If that happened it would mean Staten Island is somehow like 95% asymptomatic cases.

Manhattan probably around 70%.
At that point I'd just have to ask what biological markers distinguish both, like blood types, because that's too drastic.

Well, they are saying they had 1k confirmed cases and 53 -80k actual cases based on the study.

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Yeah, I saw. I'm just figuring there's a dropoff somewhere and it's connected to how much testing is done as it'd be huge enough to question what variables made what. Staten Island is our suburbs - they're even republicans. It's NYC for people who hate NYC. Would concentration determine how severe it is? Alternatively, I know there's been questions of blood types along the way but don't think much has developed that's concrete. A was the most vulnerable, O the most resistant, but the sample was too small. Hopefully over the next month we'll get data that can distinguish all this and see if there was any truth to that.

It all would drastically change things on its head if that 50% held true.

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Symptoms tend to be stronger I believe the more exposed you are to it.

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Corrik7 posted...

Some more good news on the antibody front.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/493406-the-initial-results-from-californias-coronavirus

I read that paper and I would be cautious about taking it without a grain of salt; the samples they used were biased towards white women, and in an attempt to correct the bias for race, they reduced the count for white women and upped the counts for asians and hispanics, which were under-represented, which is not really a sensible bias to adjust for. They adjusted for biases in zip code and sex, which is complex (the zip code method is especially stupid because it now makes the assumption that the infection rate of all the different zip codes are uniform), and the crude adjustment measure they used isn't a great idea in this circumstance. The result was to go from an antibody raw count of 1.5%, to 2.81% of the population.

Additionally, it doesn't take into account that some people they tested may have started to develop symptoms later and then tested positive. Also, it misrepresents (by being vague) the results of other studies, such as the one that looked at the entire village of Robbio, which found an under-representation of about 10-fold and actually did have the entire population. The current infection-fatality rate in Robbio is somewhere in the 0.5-0.6% range, which is much higher than this paper posits.

Finally, I would be a little careful about papers from Dr Ioannidis, since this is the second one he's fired out into the wild before peer review and the other one was very flawed. The end of the paper also thanks anonymous donors of gifts so I'm REALLY skeptical of this guy

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The people that got tested were all volunteers as well, they weren't randomly selected. Who is more likely to volunteer for Covid-19 testing? People with more likely exposure to covid-19.

Their study is flawed and heavily biased.

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Thread bringing up a lot of those same issues:

https://twitter.com/nataliexdean/status/1251309217215942656

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https://mobile.twitter.com/NYCMayor/status/1251496378372632577

this will end well

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how to get the city sued in three easy steps.
god he's horrible at this.

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snitch line has been fine here, working well too

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https://www.fox13news.com/news/florida-reports-1400-new-coronavirus-cases-friday-largest-single-day-increase-yet

Florida wants the record

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The good thing is that because Florida is acting as stupid as humanly possible the rest of the country can look at their failures and learn from their mistakes.

...Ahahahaha, just kidding. We're never going to learn shit.

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Floridaman died for our sins.

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classic Florida, they want their beach time

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Some possible good news.

https://www.wral.com/covid-19-outbreak-at-north-carolina-prison-grows-to-150/19060704/

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Corrik7 posted...

Some possible good news.

https://www.wral.com/covid-19-outbreak-at-north-carolina-prison-grows-to-150/19060704/

That is...shocking. And no where near the other examples of closed environments, is it? It was like 60-70% on the Diamond Princess Cruise Ship, wasn't it?

(60-70% is still very good news, all things considered, but 98% sounds impossibly high)

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Corrik7 posted...

Some possible good news.

https://www.wral.com/covid-19-outbreak-at-north-carolina-prison-grows-to-150/19060704/

Now HERE'S one to watch; we'll have to see if symptoms develop and among how many.

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Maybe it has to do with ages.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

It was like 60-70% on the Diamond Princess Cruise Ship, wasn't it?

It was a little over 50% when the testing was first done but two weeks later it had dropped to 20%. It was seen as a major affirmation of the case breakdown observed in Wuhan since the numbers were seemingly quite close. But there were plenty of factors that could have skewed it like the average age of passengers on Diamond Princess being 69.

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Does anyone here currently have coronavirus or has been through it? Because I'm fairly sure I have it and would be interested in firsthand experiences.

I work at Target, so I've had a feeling for a while that this shit was bound to happen. So many fucking people are still shopping (and for clothes and non-essentials too) and not really adhering to social distancing.

I only started feeling strange like a day and a half to two days ago. But I've never experienced any symptoms like these before with any sickness, fatigue being the biggest and strangest one. Sometimes I feel complete exhaustion, to the point I thought I was going to pass out at work today (the only reason I showed up was because of my boss acting like I was a hypochondriac and said they absolutely needed me today; I was feeling pretty much normal when I came in but I should have done the right thing and refused). And my sleeping medication - which I've taken on and off for 10ish years - has suddenly had very scary effects on me. Like, it's normal for it to depress your heart rate a little, but the last two nights it seems to depress it much moreso and I've had noticeable heart palpitations. I was terrified to fall asleep last night because the sensation was so weird. So yeah...not taking that stuff anymore for a while. I'm also getting symptoms that are less reported: itching all over (this was the first symptom I noticed, a couple days before the fatigue) and suddenly today gastrointestinal symptoms. Googling those, they both show up as symptoms that were previously thought to be uncommon for Covid-19 but are being reported more frequently.

I'm not going back out in public until I get tested and it's negative. If I have it though, it's likely most employees at my store already have it too. We'll see what happens, but I'm going to hopefully get tested either tomorrow or Monday. The nearest place testing over the weekend is like an hour drive (I'm in Tennessee) and I just read that there should be testing maybe only 20 minutes from me Monday, so I might have to wait until then.


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Timjab has it

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StartTheMachine posted...

Does anyone here currently have coronavirus or has been through it? Because I'm fairly sure I have it and would be interested in firsthand experiences.

I work at Target, so I've had a feeling for a while that this shit was bound to happen. So many fucking people are still shopping (and for clothes and non-essentials too) and not really adhering to social distancing.

I only started feeling strange like a day and a half to two days ago. But I've never experienced any symptoms like these before with any sickness, fatigue being the biggest and strangest one. Sometimes I feel complete exhaustion, to the point I thought I was going to pass out at work today (the only reason I showed up was because of my boss acting like I was a hypochondriac and said they absolutely needed me today; I was feeling pretty much normal when I came in but I should have done the right thing and refused). And my sleeping medication - which I've taken on and off for 10ish years - has suddenly had very scary effects on me. Like, it's normal for it to depress your heart rate a little, but the last two nights it seems to depress it much moreso and I've had noticeable heart palpitations. I was terrified to fall asleep last night because the sensation was so weird. So yeah...not taking that stuff anymore for a while. I'm also getting symptoms that are less reported: itching all over (this was the first symptom I noticed, a couple days before the fatigue) and suddenly today gastrointestinal symptoms. Googling those, they both show up as symptoms that were previously thought to be uncommon for Covid-19 but are being reported more frequently.

I'm not going back out in public until I get tested and it's negative. If I have it though, it's likely most employees at my store already have it too. We'll see what happens, but I'm going to hopefully get tested either tomorrow or Monday. The nearest place testing over the weekend is like an hour drive (I'm in Tennessee) and I just read that there should be testing maybe only 20 minutes from me Monday, so I might have to wait until then.

What is TimJabs current account? He got it right away because hes a cop in NYC, which is a terrible combo for exposure sadly. Hed be the one to talk to.

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Esuriat posted...

It was a little over 50% when the testing was first done but two weeks later it had dropped to 20%. It was seen as a major affirmation of the case breakdown observed in Wuhan since the numbers were seemingly quite close. But there were plenty of factors that could have skewed it like the average age of passengers on Diamond Princess being 69.

Oh, sorry, I meant 60-70% asymptomatic.

You and Corrik could be right about age being a factor, but 98% of cases being asymptomatic sounds insane to me.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

What is TimJabs current account? He got it right away because hes a cop in NYC, which is a terrible combo for exposure sadly. Hed be the one to talk to.

@SavageInTheBox

He said he felt like his bones were breaking. Started out with symptoms he mistook for allergies.

I think he has since gotten better.

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ShatteredElysium posted...

Well this is pretty much as expected

https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1251260796476305409

Absolute fucking Morons. Rid society of these idiots.

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@StartTheMachine

It sounds like it, but you should definitely see a doctor/get tested/isolate. I know a tooooon of people who have it given my line of work and location and it's like a weird grab bag of symptoms. There are maybe 8 overall and everybody I know who has tested positive has a combo of like 3 or 4 of them, with the dry cough being the only real common denominator (which I didn't see you mention?) The exhaustion you mention was what tipped me off for myself, like Corrik mentioned I assumed my scratchy throat was allergies but within a few days I was outrageously tired by lunch no matter how much caffeine I had.

The scary thing about this, at least in my experience, is that the symptoms kinda mutate and change. At this point I have been sick for like a month. The first two weeks felt like I had bronchitis, then the cough and stuff went away and for a week it felt like I had been hit by a car. Now for the past week I have had leg/hip aches that are common in the last few days of a flu virus and have thankfully gone away, plus pretty much constant headaches and vomiting. It's not fun.

You can self-medicate in the early stages to make it more bearable however. Acetaminophen for pain; avoid aspirin, naproxen, and ibuprofen. Stuff like DayQuil and NyQuil helps and is fine to take in the correct doses. Chloraseptic is a wise investment as well if your throat starts bothering you.

Good luck! I'm here if you have any more questions. Feel better.

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20053157v1

in the Italian town of Vo 43% of cases were asymptomatic and didnt get any symptoms within 2 weeks. Yep this things gotta be everywhere, which is great for herd immunity I guess!

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@SavageInTheBox

Thank you for this. Those symptoms sound very frightening though. How old are you and I'm assuming you were generally in good health before all this?

I actually wonder if I haven't had coronavirus for a while now - or perhaps I had it, got better, and got it again with much worse symptoms. I had a sore throat for about two weeks earlier, but the weird thing was the sore throat wasn't a constant like pretty much any other time I've been sick in my life. I would have a sore throat bad one day and feel completely normal the next two and then have it again. I'm 28, so probably on the lower end of getting serious symptoms, but being a grocery worker on the way higher end of getting it in the first place. This makes me wonder if my theory of having it then was correct. And maybe it never went away and my symptoms just evolved like yours. I'm guessing testing only shows you if you have it or not, not how long you've had it?

Anyway, now I'm experiencing way more early symptoms - rash, stomach aches, diarrhea, chest pains - but I also feel fine like half the time. I normally vape and I absolutely have to stop. I mean, I already have for the last two days but I've snuck in a few hits this morning and that's just me being fucking stupid and nicotine addicted. Bout to throw that vape out or hide it in my car at least. But another question, did you ever drink caffeine during quarantine or just water? My exhaustion spell at work happened shortly after I drank an energy drink (I only drink sugar free kind at least) and I wonder how correlated those were. I don't plan to attempt drinking much caffeine any more, at least for a while, just curious if you experienced anything similar.

I'll be getting tested tomorrow and texting everyone at work suggesting they do the same. From what I've read the test will take three to five days to get back. I will fortunately be eligible for 14 days of 100% paid sick leave but after that I'm shit out of luck.

I also don't have health insurance (went to sign up for it earlier this year but was too late - turns out at Target you have a week to sign up for benefits and not a month or six weeks like everywhere else I've worked), so here's praying I don't wind up in the hospital and losing all the money I've saved up the last year.

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You should get tested, but I think you probably don't have it from what I read.

Last thing you want to do is cause a panic at work though if you don't have it.

Also, if you do, I would be going to the highest HR there is in my company to complain about your boss basically bullying you into being there while sick if u do have it.

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Getting unemployment now. Everything seems stable around here. Just chilling at home. Any truth to the quarantine ending in May?

One more week before Im back at work at the hospital yaaaaaaaaaay

fuck

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