Current Events > Flagship Android smartphones lose their value twice as fast as iPhones

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https://www.zdnet.com/article/flagship-android-smartphones-lose-their-value-twice-as-fast-as-iphones/

but but but I can root boot androids to make it faster and and and and 3.5mm head phone jacks!!!

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Tbh I am jumping ship from apple, they piss me off. Once the phone I want releases this 8 is gone.

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Eh, I'm not very concerned about the phone losing value. I like the extra features and functionality.

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Who the fuck cares about a phone losing value lol? Do you sell your phone after you upgrade? I never have, I usually recycle it or throw it in a drawer somewhere to never be looked at again

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TreyFlowers posted...

Who the fuck cares about a phone losing value lol? Do you sell your phone after you upgrade? I never have, I usually recycle it or throw it in a drawer somewhere to never be looked at again

Cant you trade it in towards a new phone?

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That would be because newer and better android phones come out regularly across many different vendors, whereas the iphone only comes out once a year.

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You don't need a high end phone unless you want good emulation on the go, the games on Android aren't worth getting high end Android phones for.
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Apple sucks
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I don't give a fuck about resell value - bought my last phone for $0 after it had already been out for 2 years and kept using it for 4 years until breaking the screen, bought this phone $0 after it had already been out for 1 year, been using it for 2.5 years already with no desire to upgrade.

Plus I hate iOS and Apple's entire app ecosystem.

I think a big part of it is iPhones get major system updates for much longer than most Android phones do. My Galaxy S8 got 2 major system updates before it got abandoned even though it can easily handle the latest version. By contrast, iPhones 2 years older than the Galaxy S8 still get updates.

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I buy LG flagship phones a year later for literally $200 or so because of this exact phenomena. It's great.

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Son Of Spam posted...

I think a big part of it is iPhones get major system updates for much longer than most Android phones do. My Galaxy S8 got 2 major system updates before it got abandoned even though it can easily handle the latest version. By contrast, iPhones 2 years older than the Galaxy S8 still get updates.

It's because iPhones need those 5 updates to do what flagship Android devices can do since Day 1.

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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

It's because iPhones need those 5 updates to do what flagship Android devices can do since Day 1.

This is complete bullshit.

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Used phones are only valued by public demand, not by their intrinsic value.

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archedsoul posted...

This is complete bullshit.

Not really. Android devices don't require OS updates for new system features. So, your core apps can be updated either through the Play Store or bundled in with your monthly security patches.

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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

Not really. Android devices don't require OS updates for new system features. So, your core apps can be updated either through the Play Store or bundled in with your monthly security patches.

Again, bullshit. Stop making crap up. iPhones get major updates and security patches for several years longer than Android. It's that simple. Android phones are considered discontinued several years before.

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Again, bulls***. Stop making crap up. iPhones get major updates and security patches for several years longer than Android.

And where did I say that Android devices receive more system updates? Go back and review the tape since you fail at reading.

Also, when it comes to security patches, Samsung at least will support their flagship devices for at least 4 years. The S7, an early 2016 device, still gets those security patches to this day (however I think they are quarterly now as opposed to monthly).

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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

And where did I say that Android devices receive more system updates? Go back and review the tape since you fail at reading.

Also, when it comes to security patches, Samsung at least will support their flagship devices for at least 4 years. The S7, an early 2016 device, still gets those security patches to this day (however I think they are quarterly now as opposed to monthly).

Lol, my dude. I never said you did. You've missed the entire point.

The guy said it comes with more system updates. Those are important and big and they indicate the phone is still being supported and not discontinued. You came back with some fake news saying iPhone needs more updates when Android is about the same.

Then you came back saying that system updates are not really required for Android, which is extremely disingenuous. Otherwise all the phones stuck on 9 right now that can't use official DS4 and Xbox Controller support wouldn't be a thing. People are still waiting and it was released in the summer. This has been possible on iPhones for 2 years officially, and never really an issue unofficially because Android actually destroyed DS4 BT compatibility with one of the updates, taking them like 6 years to fix.

They've also not ported anything from One UI 2.0 to the S8. So I'm not sure what tape you're talking about. You made up unverified BS and I simply corrected you.

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s0nicfan posted...

That would be because newer and better android phones come out regularly across many different vendors, whereas the iphone only comes out once a year.

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Son Of Spam posted...

My Galaxy S8 got 2 major system updates before it got abandoned even though it can easily handle the latest version.

My S8 got an update a week ago

MagnusX posted...

My S8 got an update a week ago

Those are security updates. You did not get One UI 2.0.

It's the bare minimum needed to protect your device.

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I don't care about reselling a device once I own it.

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archedsoul posted...

You did not get One UI 2.0.

I looked at all the differences in UI 1.x and 2.0 and I really couldn't care less about a single thing. I think the Google launcher was the first app I downloaded when I bought the phone; I also don't use stock apps aside from the camera and clock. The security updates are the ONLY thing I care about. I'm good without 2.0.

I used to root and rom my phones until I had an issue travelling internationally when a foreign SIM card wouldn't work. Aside from that I would still be doing so as I dislike Samsung UI's almost as much as Apple's.

I looked at all the differences in UI 1.x and 2.0 and I really couldn't care less about a single thing.

Yeah, 2.0 does have some subtle improvements over 1.0 but nothing truly game changing. I'm on 2.0 now and upgraded from 1.1 and I'd say the thing I notice most on a daily basis is the animations. On 1.x, you still get the system dark/night mode, the Samsung gestures, improved one-handed use, updated iconography, etc.

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In other words, you can get last year's Samsung Galaxy at a better price than last year's iPhone.

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The Galaxy S8 came out 2 years ago and it already has support discontinued

Meanwhile the 2013 5S just received its last update in 2019

I have an old iPad 4 from 2012 that can still connect to some modern Apple services as well, like Apple Music and iCloud

That's partially why the value is still pretty good overall


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MagnusX posted...

I looked at all the differences in UI 1.x and 2.0 and I really couldn't care less about a single thing. I think the Google launcher was the first app I downloaded when I bought the phone; I also don't use stock apps aside from the camera and clock. The security updates are the ONLY thing I care about. I'm good without 2.0.

I used to root and rom my phones until I had an issue travelling internationally when a foreign SIM card wouldn't work. Aside from that I would still be doing so as I dislike Samsung UI's almost as much as Apple's.

Nah, I totally get where you're coming from, but not caring about something is different than a company putting something on basically life support.

The only reason they even push out security updates is so they don't get blamed or sued if some breach happened. Anybody that's trying to excuse just giving out two major updates before they abandon it is shilling hard. Especially when the phones can easily handle it and cost $1k.

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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

Not really. Android devices don't require OS updates for new system features. So, your core apps can be updated either through the Play Store or bundled in with your monthly security patches.

iOS does this too. They also get major OS updates for 5ish years.

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Who cares? If you worry about the value of your phone, you're too poor for it to affect you anyway. Who sells on their old phones? I just give mine away or throw them in drawers as spares - my Mum has my old Pixel and I gave my Uncle my last S10. I care as much about the value of my phone as the loaf of bread half-eaten in my kitchen.

If getting $200 for your old IPhone means that much, you should consider spending your money on more important things in the first place, they're a tool, not some shitty investment.

Ferraris lose about 50k of their value as soon as you drive one out of a showroom, do you think the driver gives a fuck?

Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

It's because iPhones need those 5 updates to do what flagship Android devices can do since Day 1.

https://youtu.be/0gxa2rq-kL8

Alright, I'll bite. Point out those 5.

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DiztruxionUk posted...

Who cares? If you worry about the value of your phone, you're too poor for it to affect you anyway. Who sells on their old phones? I just give mine away or throw them in drawers as spares - my Mum has my old Pixel and I gave my Uncle my last S10. I care as much about the value of my phone as the loaf of bread half-eaten in my kitchen.

If getting $200 for your old IPhone means that much, you should consider spending your money on more important things in the first place, they're a tool, not some shitty investment.

Ferraris lose about 50k of their value as soon as you drive one out of a showroom, do you think the driver gives a fuck?

People use it to move to the next phone. You could trade in a 6S for $600 credit towards the S20 during preorders.

Guess which Galaxy they needed for an equivalent trade? The Note 9/S10. Phones that came out years after the 6S.

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TheAnthraxBunny posted...

iOS does this too. They also get major OS updates for 5ish years.

Well, yeah, you'll get app updates through the App Store but my point is that if there is a glitch or a bug in system software, Apple would need to release a "x.1" patch to clear it up (remember the FaceTime bug from a while back?). On Android, the glitch or bug would be taken care of with an update in the Play Store for the specific app in question or it would be bundled in the monthly security update. Neither of which require an update to the OS.

That's why you don't see Android 10.3.2.five.27. like you do on iOS.

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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

Well, yeah, you'll get app updates through the App Store but my point is that if there is a glitch or a bug in system software, Apple would need to release a "x.1" patch to clear it up (remember the FaceTime bug from a while back?). On Android, the glitch or bug would be taken care of with an update in the Play Store for the specific app in question or it would be bundled in the monthly security update. Neither of which require an update to the OS.

That's why you don't see Android 10.3.2.five.27. like you do on iOS.

Again, this is BS. Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough?

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I have never sold a phone

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Ferraris lose about 50k of their value as soon as you drive one out of a showroom, do you think the driver gives a f***?

It probably matters more for cheaper Android devices but if you have the capability to drop $1000+ on some of these flagships, you don't care about the loss of a few hundred bucks. I know I didn't.

Nobody who bought an $80,000 Mercedes cares about how they lose half their value in 3 years.

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Because there are dozens of phone manufacturers who use Android on their devices, but there's only one company that uses iOS. That's my guess - Apple can afford to keep prices high for their products because Apple products are considered to be status symbols, while you can shop around for Android phones with highly different specifications and features. So when last year's model gets outdated, companies reduce the price to offload stock so they can compete in a wider marketplace.

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archedsoul posted...

The only reason they even push out security updates is so they don't get blamed or sued if some breach happened. Anybody that's trying to excuse just giving out two major updates before they abandon it is shilling hard.

I couldn't give a fuck less who makes my phone and I rarely use stock apps. All that matters to me, as a phone user, is security updates. Yeah, that's just my view, but that's kind of the point of Android: tons of different phones specs for different wants. I don't care about stuff I won't use, so as long as I get security updates I'll keep this phone until it breaks. Let's also not forget that Apple paid twice what Samsung had to in their planned obsolescence lawsuit, so not all updates are desired either.

archedsoul posted...

Especially when the phones can easily handle it and cost $1k.

Or $0 if you don't need the new shiny thing and wait a year or two.

iPhones haven't been status symbols since 2011

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MagnusX posted...

I couldn't give a fuck less who makes my phone and I rarely use stock apps. All that matters to me, as a phone user, is security updates. Yeah, that's just my view, but that's kind of the point of Android: tons of different phones specs for different wants. I don't care about stuff I won't use, so as long as I get security updates I'll keep this phone until it breaks. Let's also not forget that Apple paid twice what Samsung had to in their planned obsolescence lawsuit, so not all updates are desired either.

What part of a phone being put on life support and you not caring being way different don't you get?

It doesn't matter if you don't care. I'm saying the company has abandoned it and that's an extremely shitty practice. What's with all the fucking mental gymnastics trying to excuse it by saying you don't like it or the software doesn't look good? We get it, you buy the cheapest shit.

You're gonna have to provide links to these lawsuits since they were fines in singular countries, so no point trying to equalize them.

MagnusX posted...

Or $0 if you don't need the new shiny thing and wait a year or two.

Are you gonna start making up bullshit just like Goku? There's no $0 phones unless it's subsidized, which doesn't mean it's free. If you really got a free phone, it must be the $10 prepaid ones. Nonetheless, I just can't take someone not knowing how $0 phones work seriously. Especially if he sits here trying to excuse a mega corporation from abandoning phones and thinking he's making any good points.

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Don't care. I buy refurbished phones every 3-4 years

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thinking of switching from android to ios again. ios is just better for 99% of things you would normally want to do on a phone. on android you cant even update an app without the play store bugging out and you having to clear the cache, force stop, sign out, restart phone 3 times to get it to work again

the only things i would miss on android are the tachiyomi app and 4chan app

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I never resell them anyway. I trade it in to the carrier when I upgrade, or give it to someone in need of one.

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I've had my Galaxy S6 for almost five years. I don't care what I can resell it for. I don't upgrade my phones just to have them.

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How is Android's update process so bad?

Check phone only to see it has an update. It's so critically important that you can't interact with your phone until you schedule it. Resist urge to smash it on the floor and set it for 2 AM. I'll be asleep so whatever.

Get woken up at 2 AM by my phone loudly blaring its boot up sound. What the fuck? Oh yeah I set it to update and it's letting me know now like a toddler proudly declaring that they're shitting their pants.

Try to use my phone in the morning and put in the security code. I can't actually use it because for some godawful reason it still has like 20 minutes of work left to do after you unlock it.

It takes some pretty advanced stupid to design an update process worse than Windows but they sure knocked it out of the park.

Rexdragon125 posted...

How is Android's update process so bad?

Check phone only to see it has an update. It's so critically important that you can't interact with your phone until you schedule it. Resist urge to smash it on the floor and set it for 2 AM. I'll be asleep so whatever.

Get woken up at 2 AM by my phone loudly blaring its boot up sound. What the fuck? Oh yeah I set it to update and it's letting me know now like a toddler proudly declaring that they're shitting their pants.

Try to use my phone in the morning and put in the security code. I can't actually use it because for some godawful reason it still has like 20 minutes of work left to do after you unlock it.

It takes some pretty advanced stupid to design an update process worse than Windows but they sure knocked it out of the park.

What phone do you have? That's not how it is at all for all Android phones. I get a message saying phone's got an update, and I just set it for later anytime and use the phone as usual.

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When I buy a phone I buy it with the intent of using it until it becomes unusable. I really don't give a shit about resale value.

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crayola555 posted...

What phone do you have? That's not how it is at all for all Android phones. I get a message saying phone's got an update, and I just set it for later anytime and use the phone as usual.

Galaxy S7. Considering going back to a clamshell phone