Board 8 > Mods literally deleting a topic where I worry about my first amendment rights

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I haven't marked anything in this topic! This can be the topic!
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and yeah, this isn't him trying to intentionally piss people off as much as it's his overlap with the extreme end of the tea party on the right. a neocon in many other regards but not this one.


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Snrkiko posted...

there's a very good chance that checks are going out to people to make up for not being able to work

Its weird that you think not having the resources to deal with 8% of the country is a given, but we have the resources for 20% of the country losing their job

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in all fairness, sephy could just... contest the moderation? probably more useful than making a topic about it.

and don't give me the "IMAGINE A MODERATION GETTING OVERTURNED LOL" crap. i've had plenty of moderations overturned over the years.

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SantaRPidgey posted...

Its weird that you think not having the resources to deal with 8% of the country is a given, but we have the resources for 20% of the country losing their job

im sorry but didn't i just say it's not sufficient

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

"Inconvenienced"? You mean forbidden to work until they lose all of their savings?

And I'm the one incapable of empathy?

Yes.

Human lives are infinitely more important than anyone's savings.

You should be able to understand that. Someone should have taught you. Or you should have noticed for yourself. But you didn't, because you are broken.

Snrkiko posted...

im sorry but didn't i just say it's not sufficient

So why bring it up at all? Thats like me going "well we have respirators"

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Snrkiko posted...

there's a very good chance that checks are going out to people to make up for not being able to work

no, it probably won't be enough but it strongly cuts against your cuckoo theory that the government is out to bankrupt society because of... reasons?

Do you think a $1000 check is going to magically stop places from shutting their doors? If this only lasts for a few weeks, we might get lucky. But the other half of the solution is to lift the ban before the damage is irreparable.

I will GLADLY admit that I overreacted if everything (save large entertainment venues) is allowed to reopen by April 1st AND wage workers are compensated.

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SantaRPidgey posted...

So why bring it up at all? Thats like me going "well we have respirators"

because seph's entire point is that this response is being done with the conscious possibly deliberate effect of financially ruining people

and the effort to soften that economic blow directly refutes his entire conspiracy theory

also what the hell do you not understand nuance

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Wanglicious posted...

and yeah, this isn't him trying to intentionally piss people off as much as it's his overlap with the extreme end of the tea party on the right. a neocon in many other regards but not this one.

hes fine to peddle some extreme right views until those views advocate killing hundreds of thousands to millions of people.

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ZeldaTPLink posted...

Yes.

Human lives are infinitely more important than anyone's savings.

You should be able to understand that. Someone should have taught you. Or you should have noticed for yourself. But you didn't, because you are broken.

The resurrection of Josef Stalin! Glad to have you back bud.

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ZeldaTPLink posted...

Human lives are infinitely more important than anyone's savings.

You should be able to understand that. Someone should have taught you. Or you should have noticed for yourself. But you didn't, because you are broken.

I don't know the world you live in where people don't die from poverty and starvation. Drug use and violent crimes aren't just things people do because they seem fun.

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red13n posted...

hes fine to peddle some extreme right views until those views advocate killing hundreds of thousands to millions of people.

...are communists banned from discussing their political views on gamefaqs?

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i don't think josef stalin thought human lives were very important

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Snrkiko posted...

because seph's entire point is that this response is being done with the conscious possibly deliberate effect of financially ruining people

When did I say that? I think the response completely disregards this effect. That's the problem.

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red13n posted...

hes fine to peddle some extreme right views until those views advocate killing hundreds of thousands to millions of people.

"He can speak freely until I deem it too extreme"

No wonder why you people are so susceptible to authoritarianism

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the response is day by day given the potentially devastating effects if a wait and see approach and real considerations to provide financial support (even possibly more than 1k) are being had in real time

so how you can argue the ongoing response is ignoring that effect is beyond me

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Snrkiko posted...

and the effort to soften that economic blow directly refutes his entire conspiracy theory

I don't agree with what he's saying, but no it doesn't? You're a lawyer, Im sure you can think of many scenarios in which a company might send out money simply to save face.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

"He can speak freely until I deem it too extreme"

You can speak freely until you advocate the willful harm of others, for this.

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Snrkiko posted...

the response is day by day and real considerations to provide financial support (even possibly more than 1k) are being had in real time

so how you can argue the ongoing response is ignoring that effect is beyond me

That's the federal government (which is not mandating any of these insane closures). State and local governments aren't compensating for dick.

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SantaRPidgey posted...

I don't agree with what he's saying, but no it doesn't? You're a lawyer, Im sure you can think of many scenarios in which a company might send out money simply to save face.

i can but as a lawyer i also know that the most direct and simple explanation is usually the truth

the more you have to explain and weave a tale to make your point, the less likely you're convincing a jury/judge

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SantaRPidgey posted...

I don't know the world you live in where people don't die from poverty and starvation. Drug use and violent crimes aren't just things people do because they seem fun.

Unfortunately those things do exist, and we don't care nearly enough about them as we should. The fact people are still dieing from starvation at all means our economic system is a failure.

But this is another discussion. The point is, nothing is more important than human lives. So yeah, TC can and should get poorer so we can save some hundreds of thousands of people.

And if he can't understand that, he needs to go see a psychiatrist to treat his anti-social issue.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

i don't think josef stalin thought human lives were very important

He said the death of one person was a tragedy. But the deaths of millions was just a statistic.

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red13n posted...

You can speak freely until you advocate the willful harm of others, for this.

Willful harm like banning people from their livelihoods. Pure evil.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Willful harm like banning people from their livelihoods. Pure evil.

You cant' have a livelihood if you aren't alive.

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Guys, TC is not getting poorer. He doesn't run a bar or restaurant or small business. He gets a salary from a company and is working from home.

He's worried about all the people who are living paycheck to paycheck and can't afford to lose a month of earnings without going broke and starving to death.

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red sox 777 posted...

Guys, TC is not getting poorer. He doesn't run a bar or restaurant or small business. He gets a salary from a company and is working from home.

He's worried about all the people who are living paycheck to paycheck and can't afford to lose a month of earnings without going broke and starving to death.

we all are though

the debate is whether that's a fair tradeoff for preventing EXPONENTIAL exposure of a deadly disease

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red sox 777 posted...

He's worried about all the people who are living paycheck to paycheck and can't afford to lose a month of earnings without going broke and starving to death.

is there really going to be an enormous part of the US population that's going to starve to death because of this

i'm not an expert on this shit but i find this pretty implausible

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he's gonna be really upset when the federal government puts the entire country on quarantine until may 1st next week

Mr Lasastryke posted...

is there really going to be an enormous part of the US population that's going to starve to death because of this

i'm not an expert on this shit but i find this pretty implausible

You know, if all of those people just had, i dont know, a thousand dollars a month, we'd probably not have to worry about this much ever.

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ZeldaTPLink posted...

Unfortunately those things do exist, and we don't care nearly enough about them as we should. The fact people are still dieing from starvation at all means our economic system is a failure.

But this is another discussion. The point is, nothing is more important than human lives. So yeah, TC can and should get poorer so we can save some hundreds of thousands of people.

And if he can't understand that, he needs to go see a psychiatrist to treat his anti-social issue.

If you had to choose between killing 1 person or driving 1 million into poverty, I take it you wouldn't even hesitate to do the latter?

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

is there really going to be an enormous part of the US population that's going to starve to death because of this

i'm not an expert on this shit but i find this pretty implausible

they won't starve to death but a lot of people will lose businesses they've invested decades into

they will also possibly riot, loot and turn to violence once they can't even get on unemployment

Snrkiko posted...

we all are though

the debate is whether that's a fair tradeoff for preventing EXPONENTIAL exposure of a deadly disease

And I disagree with the notion that a substantial amount of people will die (relative to the amount who normally die from disease)

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

And I disagree with the notion that a substantial amount of people will die (relative to the amount who normally die from disease)

Well it's good your opinion is useless I guess

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

is there really going to be an enormous part of the US population that's going to starve to death because of this

i'm not an expert on this shit but i find this pretty implausible

The answer would be yes except that when people are on the edge of survival they are quite resourceful in surviving. That means doing things like taking out loans at 500% interest that will keep you in poverty for a long time.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

And I disagree with the notion that a substantial amount of people will die (relative to the amount who normally die from disease)

"I know the facts and I disagree with the facts".

You don't get to do this and have people take you seriously.

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red13n posted...

"I know the facts and I disagree with the facts".

You don't get to do this and have people take you seriously.

Nothing about the epidemiology of coronavirus is a "fact." They're assumptions by people with a vested interest in continued attention to this.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

And I disagree with the notion that a substantial amount of people will die (relative to the amount who normally die from disease)

475 Italian people died from this disease yesterday

the outbreak's been there for a month and a half and almost 3,000 people have died

from october 2019 - january 2020, only 240 Italians died from the flu (edited to change "people" to "Italians.")

https://www.2oceansvibe.com/2020/03/11/how-many-people-die-annually-from-flu-in-italy/

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Nothing about the epidemiology of coronavirus is a "fact." They're assumptions by people with a vested interest in continued attention to this.

There is literally no one with a vested interest in this.

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colliding posted...

475 Italian people died from this disease yesterday

the outbreak's been there for a month and a half and almost 3,000 people have died

from october 2019 - january 2020, only 240 Italians died from the flu (edited to change "people" to "Italians.")

https://www.2oceansvibe.com/2020/03/11/how-many-people-die-annually-from-flu-in-italy/

And 500,000 people died from swine flu, but we didn't take a wrecking ball to the economy.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

And I disagree with the notion that a substantial amount of people will die (relative to the amount who normally die from disease)

The virus has something like a 1% mortality rate with treatment, and probably more like 3-5% without treatment (which would be the relevant number for the vast majority of people if most of the country got it because we'd overwhelm the hospital system, which would also pretty much doom whoever else needed life saving treatment it in the meantime). Without control measures, each person infects something like 2.5 people on average, which means it will grow exponentially until being stopped by heard immunity when something like 60% of the population has been infected. It doesn't take a genius to understand that that's really fucking bad!

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Do any of you honestly think a single mod on this site gives an actual fuck about the T.O.U.? Because they absolutely do not.

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KingHova045 posted...

Do any of you honestly think a single mod on this site gives an actual fuck about the T.O.U.? Because they absolutely do not.

You are wrong.

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red13n posted...

You are wrong.

No I'm not.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

And 500,000 people died from swine flu, but we didn't take a wrecking ball to the economy.

This disease is literally 100 times deadlier than the swine flu, and as contagious. If the same number of people get the cornovirus 50 million people would die. If the low end estimate of 40% of Americans get it, with the low end estimates of 2% mortality rate, that means 2 millions Americans will die. Meaning it will kill 4 times as many Americans as the swine flu killed total. Are you really not getting why this is a big deal?

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https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1240437677469700096

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That's not mentioning that if the healthcare system is overburdened like Italy the mortality rate will skyrocket. It's currently at about 7% there. Also don't forget that it also means hospitals won't have the ability to treat really anyone else properly, so more people will die.

Unchecked and with a limitless healthcare system 2-3 million Americans will die. In the real world, with a healthcare system that will quickly be overwhelmed, we are talking 5 million essily.

I'm sorry, but your personal freedoms aren't worth it. You're not that special.

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I'm sorry, but your personal freedoms aren't worth it.

Nearly a million Americans died fighting in the civil war. Was that worth it?

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SmartMuffin posted...

Nearly a million Americans died fighting in the civil war. Was that worth it?

Not for the south

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SmartMuffin posted...

Nearly a million Americans died fighting in the civil war. Was that worth it?

Yes because 4 million slaves were freed as a result.

For it to equal out you would need to be saving 10-20 million Americans by doing nothing to prevent the spread of the disease.

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