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red sox 777
02/26/20 4:38:40 PM
#403:


After 100+ years of efforts and 200 failed bills, Congress has finally passed a bill to make lynching a federal crime, which it is expected that President Trump will sign into law.

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HeroicSpiderPig
02/26/20 5:15:00 PM
#404:


Xeybozn posted...
Can anyone explain how Buttigieg has made it this far? I just don't how "Barack Obama, but with less charisma, substance, and experience" would appeal to anyone, and yet somehow he's one of the top-tier candidates.

Buttigieg appeals to people who are proud to consider themselves "non-ideological."

They are clearly different people/candidates, but I actually see a lot of similarities between his campaign and Carter's in 1976. Both were excoriated by the left, and hated by their fellow candidates of all stripes, for saying a bunch of pablum that was lite on policy and had no real meaning, with Carter even saying stuff like "Our campaign is about love." Both were well liked by the media, and received attention even before their presidential runs, both blew up by "kind of" winning Iowa (None of the Above technically finished ahead of Carter), and both attempted to use their religion in an unconventional way for the time to speak of a New Morality. Pete is kind of the establishment version of the more populist campaign that Carter ran back then.

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LordoftheMorons
02/26/20 5:18:56 PM
#405:


Holy shit

https://twitter.com/maggienyt/status/1232786642051719171?s=21

Former (Republican) NY governor George Pataki alleges that Rudy asked him to cancel the NYC mayoral election and let him remain mayor after 9/11

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red sox 777
02/26/20 5:25:39 PM
#406:


We should return to the founders' vision and abolish term limits.

Obama, if you want to run, you'll be welcome to try!

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/26/20 5:42:47 PM
#407:


red sox 777 posted...
We should return to the founders' vision and abolish term limits.

Obama, if you want to run, you'll be welcome to try!

Uh the reason term limits exist is because George Washington started the two-term thing as an informal tradition and it made Congress so mad when presidents ignored it that they codified it into the constitution

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red sox 777
02/26/20 5:46:31 PM
#408:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
Uh the reason term limits exist is because George Washington started the two-term thing as an informal tradition and it made Congress so mad when presidents ignored it that they codified it into the constitution

Yeah, the founders saw the term limits as a voluntary thing. Congress of the 1940s decided to make it law.

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ChaosTonyV4
02/26/20 5:53:37 PM
#409:


You know its pretty fascinating that Pete grew up with a pretty radical father, is like family with Cornel West, but somehow is railing against the civil rights movement of the 60s to hit Bernie

https://youtu.be/jQlj-9yUyss

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/26/20 5:56:57 PM
#410:


red sox 777 posted...
Yeah, the founders saw the term limits as a voluntary thing. Congress of the 1940s decided to make it law.

So in order to fully comply with the vision of the founders, Donald Trump should abolish term limits and then voluntarily not run for a third term. To do otherwise would betray Washington.

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LordoftheMorons
02/26/20 5:57:47 PM
#411:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
You know its pretty fascinating that Pete grew up with a pretty radical father, is like family with Cornel West, but somehow is railing against the civil rights movement of the 60s to hit Bernie

https://youtu.be/jQlj-9yUyss
He was pretty clearly not talking about the civil rights movement

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red sox 777
02/26/20 5:57:56 PM
#412:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
You know its pretty fascinating that Pete grew up with a pretty radical father, is like family with Cornel West, but somehow is railing against the civil rights movement of the 60s to hit Bernie

https://youtu.be/jQlj-9yUyss

Is he railing against the civil rights movement of the 60s or modern copycat acts? There are a lot of people nowadays who want to be radical protesters but have nothing really to protest about.

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red sox 777
02/26/20 6:02:24 PM
#413:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
So in order to fully comply with the vision of the founders, Donald Trump should abolish term limits and then voluntarily not run for a third term. To do otherwise would betray Washington.

Yes, he can say in the words of the incorruptible Calvin Coolidge, greatest President of the Union, "I choose not to run."

There are caveats though. George Washington and Calvin Coolidge weren't impeached. They weren't obstructed at every turn by a Democratic Party basing all its decisions on pure hatred. A party that never accepted the election. If Trump decides to keep running and winning until the Democrats accept his movement - I think that would be fair.

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ChaosTonyV4
02/26/20 6:10:41 PM
#414:


LordoftheMorons posted...
He was pretty clearly not talking about the civil rights movement

No just the revolutionary politics of the 60s, which literally includes the civil rights movement.

I suppose he could also be referring to like, the Vietnam War/anti-war movement? Which again, not a good look.

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/26/20 6:13:32 PM
#415:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
No just the revolutionary politics of the 60s, which literally includes the civil rights movement.

I suppose he could also be referring to like, the Vietnam War/anti-war movement? Which again, not a good look.

He's trying to talk about communist revolutions but is bad at it

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xp1337
02/26/20 6:15:00 PM
#416:


My in-the-moment interpretation of Buttigieg's "revolutionary politics of the 60's" comment was the Vietnam War/anti-war movement. It legitimately never crossed my mind he could mean the civil rights movement and I would reject any implication that is what he meant.

Of course, my opinion of Buttigieg has been lowered so much over this primary that I'm willing to believe if questioned on this he'll try to spin it to meaning events in South America, etc. But I do think his actual intent here was to bring up memories of the anti-war movement - or more precisely the less flattering depiction of it as being "a bunch of hippies" that you'll see with some older voters.

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xp1337
02/26/20 6:17:31 PM
#417:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
He's trying to talk about communist revolutions but is bad at it
I think that's where he goes if asked but I don't know if that holds up under context. His statement right before that in the debate was contrasting it to Trump wanting the "politics of the '50s" which is a clear nod to the fictional version of the '50s in the minds of Boomers who think the country was a Leave it to Beaver episode.

To transition from that directly to connecting Sanders and the politics of the '60s I think you have to take it as him evoking the US domestic politics of the 60s not global events.

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LordoftheMorons
02/26/20 6:18:14 PM
#418:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
No just the revolutionary politics of the 60s, which literally includes the civil rights movement.

I suppose he could also be referring to like, the Vietnam War/anti-war movement? Which again, not a good look.
I mean in the context of the discussion (saying this right after Sanders' Cuba answer) he was pretty clearly referring to socialist movements.

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ChaosTonyV4
02/26/20 6:19:35 PM
#419:


Also to be clear, I dont think Buttigieg is specifically against Civil Rights, or even trying to specifically reference them, Im being flip.

But it is extremely telling that hes a Democrat who sees revolutionary politics of the 60s as a bad thing.

Hes basically arguing for the status quo. Lmao, hes literally imitating Obama but is aggressively arguing anti-change.

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Leafeon13N
02/26/20 6:20:40 PM
#420:


red sox 777 posted...
We should return to the founders' vision and abolish term limits.

Obama, if you want to run, you'll be welcome to try!
This has been my dream scenario. Trump runs for third term, democrats go fuck that here's Obama.

Trump gets obliterated by the person he hates the most.

As someone that thinks Trump winning becomes more certain every day, i actually don't think this scenario is too farfetched.
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DoomTheGyarados
02/26/20 6:21:04 PM
#421:


I have made my own day, I posted on facebook because I was annoyed at Pete over some of the more obvious lies from last night and I got accused of being a bot and blocked.

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ChaosTonyV4
02/26/20 6:23:30 PM
#422:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I mean in the context of the discussion (saying this right after Sanders' Cuba answer) he was pretty clearly referring to socialist movements.

Honestly, specifically referencing the 60s that makes it worse!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Harrington
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society

So hes arguing against the revolutionary politics of the Democratic Socialists of America, whose biggest goal in the 60s was the complete obliteration of poverty and racial injustice? lol

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LordoftheMorons
02/26/20 6:30:52 PM
#423:


A pro-Trump PAC is running an ad in SC attacking Biden that literally uses an Obama impersonator, prompting a response from Obama's team:

https://twitter.com/mikememoli/status/1232780675658506244

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xp1337
02/26/20 6:32:27 PM
#424:


No, LotM is suggesting that what he meant is foreign socialist movements and revolutions in the Third World and not the politics in the US. It's the most defensible position for Buttigieg and hence the one I expect him to claim if anyone bothers to press him on what he meant but I honestly don't believe it's what he meant to evoke in people when he said it.

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red sox 777
02/26/20 6:33:53 PM
#425:


LordoftheMorons posted...
A pro-Trump PAC is running an ad in SC attacking Biden that literally uses an Obama impersonator, prompting a response from Obama's team:

https://twitter.com/mikememoli/status/1232780675658506244

"The Committee to Defend the President." Brilliant. People seeing that will think the President that committee is defending is Obama!

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LordoftheMorons
02/26/20 6:35:04 PM
#426:


xp1337 posted...
No, LotM is suggesting that what he meant is foreign socialist movements and revolutions in the Third World and not the politics in the US. It's the most defensible position for Buttigieg and hence the one I expect him to claim if anyone bothers to press him on what he meant but I honestly don't believe it's what he meant to evoke in people when he said it.
I guess I can see your interpretation being possible too. There's no way he intended it to mean the civil rights movement, though.

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LordoftheMorons
02/26/20 6:36:51 PM
#427:


red sox 777 posted...
"The Committee to Defend the President." Brilliant. People seeing that will think the President that committee is defending is Obama!
They just narrowly avoided reusing Nixon's amazingly appropriately acronymed Committee to Re-Elect the President (CREEP)!

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xp1337
02/26/20 6:39:10 PM
#428:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I guess I can see your interpretation being possible too. There's no way he intended it to mean the civil rights movement, though.
Well, yeah, we agree on that!

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Suprak the Stud
02/26/20 6:39:29 PM
#429:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
He's trying to talk about communist revolutions but is bad at it

I also highly doubt he sent the actual tweet.

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MoogleKupo141
02/26/20 6:39:44 PM
#430:


how does that abbreviate to creep

looks like CRP to me
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red sox 777
02/26/20 6:40:34 PM
#431:


You see an ad with Obama's voice and image talking about protecting his legacy. And the ad says that it was paid for by the "committee to defend the president." Anyone would think the president being defended was Obama. While in fact it is Trump.

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LordoftheMorons
02/26/20 6:42:23 PM
#432:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
how does that abbreviate to creep

looks like CRP to me

Huh I had always heard it referred to as CREEP, but I guess it actually was CRP and it got the nickname CREEP after Watergate (it was literally used to pay off the Watergate burglars). My mistake!

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ChaosTonyV4
02/26/20 7:08:04 PM
#433:


I just happened to catch a piece of Trump's Coronavirus press conference on Facebook, and he seemed to get extremely offended by a reporter calling Mike Pence the Coronavirus Czar for some reason.

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red sox 777
02/26/20 7:09:16 PM
#434:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
I just happened to catch a piece of Trump's Coronavirus press conference on Facebook, and he seemed to get extremely offended by a reporter calling Mike Pence the Coronavirus Czar for some reason.

Because Trump has to be personally in charge of everything. He's not going to outsource final decisionmaking on anything to anyone.

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LordoftheMorons
02/26/20 7:17:04 PM
#436:


Actually never mind I don't trust that any sort of delegation of responsibility here is real

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red sox 777
02/26/20 7:20:12 PM
#437:


That's actually why Trump is a terrible boss to work for. He will delegate 99.9% of the work while always reserving the right to intervene at any time and completely change the direction. And he will take all the credit and none of the blame.

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LordoftheMorons
02/26/20 7:24:10 PM
#438:


https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1232822409385988096

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xp1337
02/26/20 7:29:01 PM
#439:


i see later in the thread they started asking him about the complete and utter hypocrisy of his comments on ebola and obama's response compared to what he's doing now

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LordoftheMorons
02/26/20 7:34:57 PM
#440:


xp1337 posted...
i see later in the thread they started asking him about the complete and utter hypocrisy of his comments on ebola and obama's response compared to what he's doing now
Yeah he was one of the main fearmongers in 2014 and it was disgusting (the fearmongering miraculously stopped right after the election too, just like the caravan!). Iirc the CDC was much more confident on their ability to contain ebola in the US, too.

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DoomTheGyarados
02/26/20 7:36:18 PM
#441:


On the bright side LotM if this keeps up I think it doesn't matter who the dems nominate...!

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LordoftheMorons
02/26/20 7:36:21 PM
#442:


Forgot that Pence literally has experience mismanaging disease outbreaks:
https://twitter.com/katierogers/status/1232815599253958657

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LordoftheMorons
02/26/20 7:41:39 PM
#443:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
On the bright side LotM if this keeps up I think it doesn't matter who the dems nominate...!
Possibly true, but I can't say that's my preferred route!

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DoomTheGyarados
02/26/20 7:45:35 PM
#444:


Oh wow, Al Sharpton endorsed Bernie today and said that MLK was called a communist too and you should ignore those that would use it to scare you.

Didn't expect that.

Also don't know if it is an official endorsement but it sounded like it.

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02/26/20 7:45:46 PM
#445:


mini mike is doing well at this town hall

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MichelBollinger
02/26/20 7:57:03 PM
#446:


What does it say about these last 4 years that it took me about 5 seconds to remember who Mike Pence was?
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xp1337
02/26/20 9:15:57 PM
#447:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Forgot that Pence literally has experience mismanaging disease outbreaks:
https://twitter.com/katierogers/status/1232815599253958657
Hey now, let's not sell his experience short. He also has this:

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1232814951317766146

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LordoftheMorons
02/26/20 9:23:32 PM
#448:


Lmao forgot about that too

Anyway, I guess this is a good time to remind everyone to get their flu shots if they havent already!

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LordoftheMorons
02/26/20 9:28:41 PM
#449:


Also speaking of public health, I present the Fox host who Trump was considering nominating for VA Secretary:

https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1232831956578111488?s=21

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SgtSphynx
02/26/20 9:42:53 PM
#450:


I would buy this poster. https://twitter.com/anna_bahr/status/1232851922891100160

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KamikazePotato
02/26/20 9:49:08 PM
#451:


Was going to post a bit about Chris Matthews calling Bloomberg inherently honest but I dont think it compares to the last 15 posts regarding disease prevention

GERMS DON'T EXIST, WAKE UP SHEEPLE

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red sox 777
02/26/20 9:55:57 PM
#452:


Been reading about the theory that Donald Trump is the reincarnation of Cyrus the Great, King of Persia, King of Kings. Trump even quoted Cyrus on Twitter apparently.

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02/26/20 10:00:21 PM
#453:


red sox 777 posted...
Been reading about the theory that Donald Trump is the reincarnation of Cyrus the Great, King of Persia, King of Kings. Trump even quoted Cyrus on Twitter apparently.
Was it this?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/260482827458592768?s=19

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