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Dat_Cracka_Jax
02/10/20 1:54:40 PM
#102:


metralo posted...
I was told weeks ago wed all be dead. whats going on
Just wait until next week though

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ehhwhatever
02/10/20 1:59:08 PM
#103:


There are 65 new coronavirus cases aboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship that's been under a quarantine since last week, Japan's health ministry announced Monday. With the latest cases, a total of 135 people from the ship have been confirmed to have the respiratory virus.
Those newly diagnosed include 45 Japanese and 11 Americans, as well as smaller numbers of people from Australia, Canada, England, the Philippines and Ukraine, according to Princess Cruises.
Even before the latest cases were confirmed, the cruise ship already represented the largest cluster of Wuhan coronavirus cases outside mainland China. The virus, identified as 2019-nCoV, has killed more than 900 people in China, where more than 40,000 people have been infected since it emerged in the city of Wuhan, in Hubei province.

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The Trent
02/10/20 2:00:00 PM
#104:


kingdrake2 posted...
he doesn't need to apologize. the picture is hilarious.
reminds me of the good old days of cartoon network.

reminds me of how terrifying all of this coronavirus stuff is! someone died!

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Omnislasher
02/10/20 2:00:44 PM
#105:


travelling internationally tomorrow, fuck yeah
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solosnake
02/10/20 2:04:19 PM
#106:


Pictures from the Wuhan Vocational College of Software and Engineering . Student dorms are being ransacked and requisitioned for quarantine use without permission. It is reportedly occurring at multiple universities.

https://twitter.com/AvidBrandy/status/1226567127642984448

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The Trent
02/10/20 2:06:40 PM
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i've been ransacking in the minors for years trying to make it on china's professional circuit but damn...that's scary

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The Trent
02/10/20 2:06:49 PM
#109:


GregShmedley posted...
Like, it's not funny though. This is like RealDill level of gimmicks.

sorry

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solosnake
02/10/20 2:07:52 PM
#111:


Reporter's Notebook: Life and death in a Wuhan coronavirus ICU

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/reporters-notebook-life-and-death-in-a-wuhan-coronavirus-icu

In the coronavirus epidemic, doctors on the front lines take on the greatest risk and best understand the situation. Dr Peng Zhiyong, director of acute medicine at the Wuhan University South Central Hospital, is one of those doctors.In an interview on Tuesday with Caixin, Dr Peng described his personal experiences in first encountering the disease in early January and quickly grasping its virulent potential and the need for stringent quarantine measures.
As the contagion spread and flooded his ICU, the doctor observed that three weeks seemed to determine the difference between life and death. Patients with stronger immune systems would start to recover in a couple of weeks, but in the second week, some cases would take a turn for the worse.

In the third week, keeping some of these acute patients alive might require extraordinary intervention. For this group, the death rate seems to be 4 per cent to 5 per cent, Dr Peng said. After working his 12-hour daytime shifts, the doctor spends his evenings researching the disease and has summarised his observations in a thesis.

The doctors and nurses at his hospital are overwhelmed with patients. Once they don protective hazmat suits, they go without food, drink and bathroom breaks for their entire shifts. That's because there aren't enough of the suits for a mid-shift change, he said.

Over the past month on the front lines of the coronavirus battle, Dr Peng has been brought to tears many times when forced to turn away patients for lack of staffing and beds. He said what really got to him, though, was the death of an acutely ill pregnant woman when treatment stopped for lack of money - the day before the government decided to pick up the costs of all coronavirus treatments.

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The Trent
02/10/20 2:08:06 PM
#112:


is this how you treat scared children? gross.

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user78
02/10/20 2:09:35 PM
#113:


metralo posted...
I was told weeks ago wed all be dead. whats going on
And you said that nobody outside China would die of it.
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solosnake
02/10/20 2:11:56 PM
#114:


Caixin: When did you encounter your first novel coronavirus patient?
Dr Peng Zhiyong: Jan 6, 2020. There was a patient from Huanggang who had been refused by multiple hospitals, who was sent to the South Central Hospital emergency room. I attended the consultation. At the time, the patient's illness was already severe, and he had difficulty breathing. I knew right then that he contracted this disease. We debated at length whether to accept the patient. If we didn't, he had nowhere to go; if we did, there was a high likelihood the disease would infect others. We had to do a very stringent quarantine. We decided to take the patient in the end.

I called the hospital director and told him the story, including the fact that we had to clear the hospital room of other patients and to remodel it after Sars standards by setting up a contamination area, buffer area, cleaning area, and separate the living areas of the hospital staff from the patients'.

On Jan 6, with the patient in the emergency room, we did quarantine remodelling in the emergency room and did major renovations to the ICU (intensive care unit). South Central Hospital's ICU has 66 beds in total. We kept a space dedicated to coronavirus patients. I knew the infectiousness of the disease. There were bound to be more people coming in, so we set aside 16 beds. We did quarantine renovations on the infectious diseases area because respiratory illnesses are transmitted through the air, so even air has to be quarantined so that inside the rooms the air can't escape. At the time, some said that the ICU had a limited number of beds and 16 was excessive. I said it wasn't excessive at all.

Caixin: You predicted back in January that there would be person-to-person transmission and even took quarantine measures. Did you report the situation to the higher-ups?
Peng: This disease really did spread very fast. By Jan 10, the 16 beds in our ICU were full. We saw how dire the situation was and told the hospital's leadership that they had to report even higher. Our head felt it was urgent too and reported this to the Wuhan city health committee. On Jan 12, the department sent a team of three specialists to South Central to investigate. The specialists said that clinical symptoms really resembled Sars, but they were still talking about diagnosis criteria, that kind of stuff. We replied that those standards were too stringent. Very few people would get diagnosed based on those criteria. The head of our hospital told them this multiple times during this period. I know other hospitals were doing the same.

Before this, the specialists already went to Jinyintan Hospital to investigate and made a set of diagnosis criteria. You had to have had exposure to the South China Seafood Market, you needed to have had a fever and test positive for the virus. You had to meet all three criteria in order to be diagnosed. The third one was especially stringent. In reality, very few people were able to test for a virus.

On Jan 18, the high-level specialists from the National Health Commission came to Wuhan, to South Central Hospital to inspect. I told them again that the criteria were too high. This way it was easy to miss infections. I told them this was infectious; if you made the criteria too high and let patients go, you're putting society in danger. After the second national team of specialists came, the criteria were changed. The number of diagnosed patients rose quickly.


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The Trent
02/10/20 2:13:10 PM
#115:


well that's pretty unsettling and scary

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solosnake
02/10/20 2:13:15 PM
#116:


Caixin: What made you believe that the new coronavirus could be transmitted between people?
Peng: Based on my clinical experience and knowledge, I believed that the disease would be an acutely infectious disease and that we had to do high-level protection. The virus isn't going to change based on man's will. I felt we needed to respect it and act according to science. Under my requirements, South Central Hospital's ICU took strict quarantine measures, and as a result, our department only had two infections. As of Jan 28, of the entire hospital's medical personnel, only 40 have been infected. This is way less compared with other hospitals in terms of percentage of total medical staff.
It pains us to see the coronavirus develop to such a desperate state. But the priority now is to treat people; do everything we can to save people.

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solosnake
02/10/20 2:18:28 PM
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Caixin: What is the highest risk a serious patient faces?
Peng: The biggest assault the virus launches is on a patient's immune system. It causes a fall in the count of lymphocytes, the damage in the lungs and shortness of breath. Many serious patients died of choking. Others died of the failure of multiple organs following complications in their organs resulting from a collapse of the immune system.

aixin: A 39-year-old patient in Hong Kong suffered from cardiac arrest, and his death ensued quickly. A few patients did not have severe symptoms upon the onslaught of the virus or in early stages, but they died suddenly. Some experts argue that the virus triggers a cytokine storm, which ravages the stronger immune system of young adults. Eventually excessive inflammations caused by cytokine result in the higher mortality rate. Have you seen such a phenomenon in the coronavirus outbreak?

Peng: Based on my observations, a third of patients exhibited inflammation in their whole body. It was not necessarily limited to young adults. The mechanism of a cytokine storm is about whole-body inflammation, which leads to a failure of multiple organs and quickly evolves into the terminal stage. In some fast-progressing cases, it took two to three days to progress from whole-body inflammation to the life-threatening stage.

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Crepes
02/10/20 2:20:38 PM
#118:


What happens when the virus hits the US middle classes? They wont be able to afford medical care and most are living hand to mouth so they will refuse not to work causing them to spread it.

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solosnake
02/10/20 2:21:54 PM
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Caixin: How do you treat serious and life-threatening cases?
Peng: For serious and life-threatening cases, our main approach is to provide oxygen, high-volume oxygen. At first noninvasive machine-pumped oxygen, followed by intubated oxygen if conditions worsen. For life-threatening cases, we use Ecmo (extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, or pumping the patient's blood through an artificial lung machine). In four cases, we applied Ecmo to rescue patients from the verge of death.

Currently there are no special drugs for the coronavirus. The primary purpose of the ICU is to help patients sustain the functions of their body. Different patients have different symptoms. In case of shortness of breath, we provided oxygen; in case of a kidney failure, we gave dialysis; in case of a coma, we deployed Ecmo. We provide support wherever a patient needs it to sustain his life. Once the count of lymphocytes goes up and the immune system improves, the virus will be cleared. However, if the count of lymphocytes continues to fall, it is dangerous because the virus continues to replicate. Once a patient's immune system is demolished, it is hard to save a patient.

Caixin: What are your work load and pace like?
Peng: The work in the ICU is overloaded. There are three patient wards with 66 beds in South Central Hospital, housing 150 patients. Since Jan 7, when we received the first patient, no one took any leave. We took turns to work in the ICU. Even pregnant medical staff did not take leave. After the epidemic got worse, none of the medical staff ever went home. We rest in a hotel near the hospital or in the hospital.

In the segregated ward, we wear level-3 protective gear. One shift is 12 hours for a doctor and eight hours for a nurse. Since protective gear is in a shortage, there is only one set for a medical staff member a day. We refrain from eating or drinking during our shift because the gear is no longer protective once we go to the washroom. The gear is thick, airtight and tough on our body. It felt uncomfortable at the beginning, but we are used to it now.

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The Trent
02/10/20 2:22:37 PM
#120:


Crepes posted...
What happens when the virus hits the US middle classes? They wont be able to afford medical care and most are living hand to mouth so they will refuse not to work causing them to spread it.

it may not be the end of civilization but it will be the beginning of the end

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solosnake
02/10/20 2:23:50 PM
#121:


Caixin: Is there anything that moved you in particular? Did you cry?
Peng: I often cried because so many patients could not be admitted to the hospital. They wailed in front of the hospital. Some patients even knelt down to beg me to accept him into the hospital. But there was nothing I could do since all beds were occupied. I shed tears while I turned them down. I ran out of tears now. I have no other thoughts but to try my best to save more lives.

The most regretful thing to me was a pregnant woman from Huanggang. She was in very serious condition. Nearly 200,000 yuan (S$39,505) was spent after more than a week in the ICU. She was from the countryside, and the money for hospitalisation was borrowed from her relatives and friends. Her condition was improving after the use of Ecmo, and she was likely to survive. But her husband decided to give up. He cried for his decision. I wept too because I felt there was hope for her to be saved. The woman died after we gave up. And exactly the next day, the government announced a new policy that offers free treatment for all coronavirus-infected patients. I feel so sorry for that pregnant woman.

The deputy director of our department told me one thing, and he cried too. Wuhan 7th Hospital is in a partnership with our hospital, South Central Hospital. The deputy director went there to help in their ICU. He found that two-thirds of the medical staff in the ICU were already infected. Doctors there were running "naked" as they knew they were set to be infected given the shortage of protective gear. They still worked there nonetheless. That was why ICU medical staff were almost all sickened. It is too tough for our doctors and nurses.

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solosnake
02/10/20 2:31:00 PM
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Chinese National Health Commission has changed their definition of #WuhanCoronavirus "confirmed case" in their latest guidelines dated 7/2. Patients tested positive for the virus but have no symptoms will no longer be regarded as confirmed. This inevitably will lower the numbers.

https://twitter.com/lwcalex/status/1226840055869632512

The new rule has triggered provinces to find cases that can be deducted from the total no. of confirmed cases. Heilongjiang has axed 13 cases from their tally stating the new definition. #Hubei has deducted 87 cases today, but authorities did not explain why.

https://twitter.com/lwcalex/status/1226841595044982784

Over 100 cases have been deducted over the past 2 days. The concerning problem is that authorities do not disclose the no. of symptom-less infected patients after they count them separately. There will be no way of knowing the exact magnitude of the outbreak.

https://twitter.com/lwcalex/status/1226842601141071874

I feel the need to clarify that this is not a speculation based on wordings of the document. This report by state media Xinhua showed Heilongjiang authorities explicitly explained that 13 lab-positive cases were deducted because they had no symptoms.

https://twitter.com/lwcalex/status/1226931690951458816

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kingdrake2
02/10/20 2:34:35 PM
#124:


solosnake posted...
2. Patients tested positive for the virus but have no symptoms will no longer be regarded as confirmed. This inevitably will lower the numbers.


that's a load of BS. they're trying to silence the truth. fuckers.
then again they had the balls to say that they died of pneumonia when the real cause was the fucking virus.
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solosnake
02/10/20 2:37:12 PM
#125:


Trump predicts coronavirus threat will end in April when the heat comes in

https://nypost.com/2020/02/10/trump-predicts-coronavirus-threat-will-soon-end-in-speech-to-governors/

WASHINGTON President Trump on Monday touted the economy during wide-ranging remarks at a White House business session with the nations governors and predicted that the deadly coronavirus would no longer pose a threat once warmer weather arrived.
The heat, generally speaking, kills this kind of virus, Trump said in the State Dining Room.
A lot of people think that goes away in April as the heat comes in, Trump said without explaining further. Were in great shape though, we have 12 cases, 11 cases, but were in very good shape.

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Chenmaster2
02/10/20 2:38:55 PM
#126:


They're trying not to cause panic at this point.

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pokemon2poker
02/10/20 2:42:53 PM
#127:


solosnake posted...
Trump predicts coronavirus threat will end in April when the heat comes in

https://nypost.com/2020/02/10/trump-predicts-coronavirus-threat-will-soon-end-in-speech-to-governors/

WASHINGTON President Trump on Monday touted the economy during wide-ranging remarks at a White House business session with the nations governors and predicted that the deadly coronavirus would no longer pose a threat once warmer weather arrived.
The heat, generally speaking, kills this kind of virus, Trump said in the State Dining Room.
A lot of people think that goes away in April as the heat comes in, Trump said without explaining further. Were in great shape though, we have 12 cases, 11 cases, but were in very good shape.
Trump doesn't understand wind, how can he possibly grasp the coronavirus?

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solosnake
02/10/20 2:43:16 PM
#128:


Chenmaster2 posted...
They're trying not to cause panic at this point.
naaaah its just another regular flu, nothing to worry about

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pokemon2poker
02/10/20 2:53:31 PM
#129:


I wonder how much the influx of cruise ship cases is a result of being quarantined. If a lot of these cases are nosocomial, people need to be kept out of infected areas.

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Newhopes
02/10/20 5:12:38 PM
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Hubei 2097 cases 103 dead.
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PatrickMahomes
02/10/20 5:29:09 PM
#132:


Gladius_ posted...
Careful. Saying that might get them to block you. They blocked me for similar reasoning. Lol. Solos didn't like me pointing out that panicking people buying out boxes of facemasks is doing more harm than good because health care workers can't get access to protective equipment they need. This was somehow "block worthy."
I got blocked because he said he claimed he managed to read two full articles (one of which requires a sign-in) in their entirety in literally two minutes (posts 419 and 420 in the previous topic, definitely check it out if you want a laugh) and I called bull on it so he blocked me.

But not until after he LATER went on to say in post 430 that he didn't read the second one (even though in post 424 he claims he did read them)

He's just solely intent on spreading as much fear as he can for reasons that escape me.


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Foppe
02/11/20 1:30:18 AM
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Remember when UK wanted people that had met a specific man for 15 minutes or more to get checked, and then not saying his name or what plane he flied with?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/10/super-spreader-brought-coronavirus-from-singapore-to-sussex-via-france

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Foppe
02/11/20 4:33:24 AM
#135:


https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1227029695176355840?s=20
Dont worry, Trump got it covered.

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Jx1010
02/11/20 7:31:20 AM
#136:


So a little warmth is all we need?
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jwlim80
02/11/20 8:37:02 AM
#137:


Foppe posted...
Remember when UK wanted people that had met a specific man for 15 minutes or more to get checked, and then not saying his name or what plane he flied with?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/10/super-spreader-brought-coronavirus-from-singapore-to-sussex-via-france


https://news.sky.com/story/identity-of-man-linked-to-11-british-coronavirus-cases-revealed-11931336
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Doom_Art
02/11/20 8:44:53 AM
#138:


PatrickMahomes posted...
He's just solely intent on spreading as much fear as he can for reasons that escape me.
Iunno if it's spreading fear like as the goal

Like I said in the other topic, I think it's just he's scared of it and consuming and spreading every bit of info about it is his way of controlling it.

"If I know all this it can't hurt me"

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Foppe
02/11/20 10:14:46 AM
#139:


Xi Jinping says that efforts to contain the new coronavirus have gone too far, threatening the country's economy too much.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/chinese-president-xi-jinping-warned-officials-efforts-to-stop-coronavirus-could-hurt

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The Trent
02/11/20 10:18:34 AM
#140:


great now i'm scared about the economy

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jwlim80
02/11/20 11:03:30 AM
#141:


COVID-19. That is all.
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solosnake
02/11/20 11:05:26 AM
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The mass censorship and abduction of "dissidents" in China is far more concerning than the virus right now imo

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solosnake
02/11/20 1:10:51 PM
#143:


https://twitter.com/IntyMedia/status/1227271308653797376

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solosnake
02/11/20 1:13:06 PM
#144:


Coronavirus 'could infect 60% of global population if unchecked'

Exclusive: Public health epidemiologist says other countries should consider adopting China-style containment measures

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/11/coronavirus-expert-warns-infection-could-reach-60-of-worlds-population

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Newhopes
02/11/20 1:16:41 PM
#145:


2 inmates in a Oxfordshire prison been tested for suspected coronavirus.
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kingdrake2
02/11/20 2:20:12 PM
#146:


Foppe posted...
Xi Jinping says that efforts to contain the new coronavirus have gone too far, threatening the country's economy too much.


wasn't enough measures tbh, don't want to let the infecters win by getting everyone sick.
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solosnake
02/11/20 2:28:40 PM
#147:


solosnake posted...
https://twitter.com/IntyMedia/status/1227271308653797376
wow, they deleted that tweet from the internet pretty fast, cant find it anywhere now

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The Trent
02/11/20 2:35:09 PM
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the fact that they're deleting tweets this fast is genuinely scary

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Foppe
02/11/20 2:53:58 PM
#149:


What did the twitter say?

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pokemon2poker
02/11/20 4:39:27 PM
#150:


I'm feeling sick today

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