Board 8 > Birds of Prey... Might Not Suck!

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scarletspeed7
02/05/20 3:26:34 PM
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https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/birds_of_prey_2020

89% through 66 reviews thus far. I had optimistic expectations given Ewan McGregor was playing Black Mask, but I certainly expected a mid-range rating. DC really has started to carve its own niche into superhero cinema once again. This really piques my excitement for Gunn's Suicide Squad 2 as well.

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Maniac64
02/05/20 3:40:39 PM
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I dont believe it.

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MichelBollinger
02/05/20 3:41:54 PM
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I've read that script.

No fucking way.

Green Lantern was high 80s until release day, too.
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Bane_Of_Despair
02/05/20 3:42:44 PM
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To be fair no matter what the user reviews are gonna be like a 30% probably since they've made up their minds already

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scarletspeed7
02/05/20 3:43:32 PM
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Well the test audiences enjoyed it, so it's really not a fair comparison. There were no test audiences for Green Lantern. Just test pilots.

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Johnbobb
02/05/20 4:02:25 PM
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currently at 88% with 69 reviews

nice

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ertyu0078
02/05/20 4:12:59 PM
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I do want to see it
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Snake5555555555
02/05/20 4:19:40 PM
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Hopeful! I'm just excited to see my boy Black Mask fully realized on screen for the first time.

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02/05/20 4:57:40 PM
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Mac Arrowny
02/05/20 4:58:43 PM
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MichelBollinger posted...
Green Lantern was high 80s until release day, too.


False
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MetalmindStats
02/05/20 5:01:33 PM
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...
To be fair no matter what the user reviews are gonna be like a 30% probably since they've made up their minds already
Rotten Tomatoes displays only a verified audience score by default, which requires evidence that you've actually purchased a ticket. As such, only the most desperate of people with pre-conceived notions will be dragging down its score from whatever it would have otherwise been, so perhaps a few percentage points, at most.

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HashtagSEP
02/05/20 5:06:00 PM
#12:


MichelBollinger posted...
I've read that script.

No fucking way.

Green Lantern was high 80s until release day, too.

What

It wasn't even close

And you can easily confirm this by checking the reviews since they sort them by date.

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LeonhartFour
02/05/20 5:07:43 PM
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maybe better comparison point?

The Last Jedi has a review score of 91%

(which it deserves)

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swordz9
02/05/20 5:09:18 PM
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Huh surprising since it didnt really sound like people were hot on it based on trailers and whatnot
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Bane_Of_Despair
02/05/20 5:10:28 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
maybe better comparison point?

The Last Jedi has a review score of 91%

(which it deserves)
This is mostly what I was getting at with that post yea

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Forceful_Dragon
02/05/20 5:10:54 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
maybe better comparison point?

The Last Jedi has a review score of 91%

(which it deserves)

Aww yeah. I genuinely enjoy TLJ and so 9 was hot garbage

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MichelBollinger
02/05/20 5:11:10 PM
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Maybe those Green Lantern scores started dipping a few days before release, but they definitely started out up there.

I also do not trust test audiences on this.

It would be insane if this wasn't trash, everything about it looks absolutely REPUGNANT, and that script was SO BAD.
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HashtagSEP
02/05/20 5:13:36 PM
#18:


MichelBollinger posted...
Maybe those Green Lantern scores started dipping a few days before release, but they definitely started out up there.

Again, just... No.
There are 31 rotten reviews before you even get to 10 fresh reviews. At no point was it anywhere close to high 80s. I don't even think it hit high 50s.

I'd be shocked if it even hit high 30s.

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scarletspeed7
02/05/20 5:14:20 PM
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MichelBollinger posted...
Maybe those Green Lantern scores started dipping a few days before release, but they definitely started out up there.

I also do not trust test audiences on this.

It would be insane if this wasn't trash, everything about it looks absolutely REPUGNANT, and that script was SO BAD.
You have a bizarre definition of the word insane.

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/05/20 5:15:33 PM
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MichelBollinger posted...
It would be insane if this wasn't trash, everything about it looks absolutely REPUGNANT, and that script was SO BAD.

The thing about dumb scripts is that the rest of the movie can still sell it

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MichelBollinger
02/05/20 5:29:29 PM
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I'm not going to pretend I'm not biased here.

Making Cassandra Cain into the character she is in this movie basically cemented that I would never forgive this movie even if it was good. It could literally be the best comic book movie in years and I would still be against it.

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scarletspeed7
02/05/20 5:31:54 PM
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Pretty easily. As someone who loves and grew up with Cass Cain, I also grew up with a DC multiverse where sometimes characters are wildly out of character, so I don't find it difficult to look forward to new incarnations of old characters. Being possessive of comic characters is the worst take. Always. Growing the audience is my only hope.

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Lightning Strikes
02/05/20 5:40:08 PM
#23:


This movie always looked good so no surprise there! I really dont get comics diehards who get upset about the most trivial things and ignore the actual work.

Also I distinctly remember GL getting slammed the second reviews came out.

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MichelBollinger
02/05/20 5:41:25 PM
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Sorry, I absolutely understand where you're coming from and 99.9% of the time I am right there with you.

Not this time. This isn't a multiverse comic, this is this character's FILM EXISTENCE. Cassandra Cain is not a high school Harley Quinn flunky who has to shit out diamonds she swallowed. You're saying you'd be totally fine with a movie where Wally West was a football jock who gained his powers after getting wasted at a high school party and tripping into a ditch with radioactive waste? Or if Batman were a gambling adict who took up the mantel to beat up bookies?

There absolutely no basis for it. There is no reason for this character to be Cass.

Saying this is a fine incarnation is the same as saying that you are totally cool with the timeline where Wolverine Origins Deadpool is the Deadpool everyone associated as his primary representation in modern media.
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Bane_Of_Despair
02/05/20 5:41:33 PM
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Look I'm just here for the hyena and if the movie actually ends up being good along with that that would be great

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BlackMageJawa
02/05/20 5:46:25 PM
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If the leaked script is real, then this film is literally an insult to the Birds of Prey, and for that alone it can go fuck itself.
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scarletspeed7
02/05/20 5:50:45 PM
#27:


MichelBollinger posted...
You're saying you'd be totally fine with a movie where Wally West was a football jock who gained his powers after getting wasted at a high school party and tripping into a ditch with radioactive waste? Or if Batman were a gambling adict who took up the mantel to beat up bookies
That is better than the Wally we got in the Arrowverse and the Batman we got in the 2004 Batman series so yes.

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MichelBollinger
02/05/20 5:52:12 PM
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BlackMageJawa posted...
If the leaked script is real, then this film is literally an insult to the Birds of Prey, and for that alone it can go fuck itself.


There is enough one to one stuff from the trailers to make this basically a guarantee.

I may be focusing on Cassandra, but this is the case in general for all of them. The argument of "look at it like an elseword/multiverse" not only falls flat more me in a case like this, but is I'm honestly pretty infuriating. This is MOVIE, not another comic. You don't completely throw away every facet of every character for something that is going to be, let's be honest, almost the entirety of the audience's first introduction of the character. Otherwise...donvt use the damn character!

Rather than defend it, I'd rather someone give me one good reason as to why this character is Cass in the first place if she has absolutely nothing to do with her? She doesn't have name pull recognition, and it does nothing for her fans...so why?
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Lightning Strikes
02/05/20 5:55:02 PM
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MichelBollinger posted...
Sorry, I absolutely understand where you're coming from and 99.9% of the time I am right there with you.

Not this time. This isn't a multiverse comic, this is this character's FILM EXISTENCE. Cassandra Cain is not a high school Harley Quinn flunky who has to shit out diamonds she swallowed. You're saying you'd be totally fine with a movie where Wally West was a football jock who gained his powers after getting wasted at a high school party and tripping into a ditch with radioactive waste? Or if Batman were a gambling adict who took up the mantel to beat up bookies?

There absolutely no basis for it. There is no reason for this character to be Cass.

Saying this is a fine incarnation is the same as saying that you are totally cool with the timeline where Wolverine Origins Deadpool is the Deadpool everyone associated as his primary representation in modern media.

Mate, they literally have two Jokers and might get a third... Their whole idea is to just make standalone films.

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/05/20 5:59:59 PM
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Lightning Strikes posted...
Mate, they literally have two Jokers and might get a third... Their whole idea is to just make standalone films.

cannot WAIT for the DCCU adaptation of Three Jokers

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scarletspeed7
02/05/20 6:02:45 PM
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
cannot WAIT for the DCCU adaptation of Three Jokers

or should we go with DCCMU - the DC Cinematic Multiverse?
Arrowverse made it clear that the DCEU is part of the Arrow Multiverse, so we're all just in the Quiververse now.

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MichelBollinger
02/05/20 6:03:30 PM
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Lightning Strikes posted...
Mate, they literally have two Jokers and might get a third... Their whole idea is to just make standalone films.


You really, truly think there's any world where they come out with a other interpretation of Cassandra Cain down the line? Cass is not the Joker. This is all she's getting.
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Fastbreak
02/05/20 6:06:14 PM
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MichelBollinger posted...
Sorry, I absolutely understand where you're coming from and 99.9% of the time I am right there with you.

Not this time. This isn't a multiverse comic, this is this character's FILM EXISTENCE. Cassandra Cain is not a high school Harley Quinn flunky who has to shit out diamonds she swallowed. You're saying you'd be totally fine with a movie where Wally West was a football jock who gained his powers after getting wasted at a high school party and tripping into a ditch with radioactive waste? Or if Batman were a gambling adict who took up the mantel to beat up bookies?

There absolutely no basis for it. There is no reason for this character to be Cass.

Saying this is a fine incarnation is the same as saying that you are totally cool with the timeline where Wolverine Origins Deadpool is the Deadpool everyone associated as his primary representation in modern media.

MichelBollinger posted...
Sorry, I absolutely understand where you're coming from and 99.9% of the time I am right there with you.

Not this time. This isn't a multiverse comic, this is this character's FILM EXISTENCE. Cassandra Cain is not a high school Harley Quinn flunky who has to shit out diamonds she swallowed. You're saying you'd be totally fine with a movie where Wally West was a football jock who gained his powers after getting wasted at a high school party and tripping into a ditch with radioactive waste? Or if Batman were a gambling adict who took up the mantel to beat up bookies?

There absolutely no basis for it. There is no reason for this character to be Cass.

Saying this is a fine incarnation is the same as saying that you are totally cool with the timeline where Wolverine Origins Deadpool is the Deadpool everyone associated as his primary representation in modern media.

I would watch the shit out of that batman

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skullbone
02/05/20 6:07:05 PM
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I hope everyone likes her film version better so they replace the comic version with a boner comedy high school girl. Sounds funny

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MichelBollinger
02/05/20 6:07:26 PM
#35:


Fastbreak posted...


I would watch the shit out of that batman


I mean...yeah...

But I wouldn't want it to be the only representation of Batman in films!
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TomNook
02/05/20 6:15:15 PM
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This would be excellent news. As one of the bigger DC fans, seeing them catch up to Marvel in the film industry would make me very happy. There has been somewhat of an upward trend in the past year, so continuing that into the new decade would be perfect.

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HanOfTheNekos
02/05/20 6:19:26 PM
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You think that's bad, try being a Rikku fan and then playing FFX-2.

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LeonhartFour
02/05/20 6:20:02 PM
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HanOfTheNekos posted...
You think that's bad, try being a Rikku fan and then playing FFX-2.

sounds disasteriffic

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PerfectChaosZ
02/05/20 11:04:51 PM
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And when this movie sucks for a quintillion reasons theyll yet again blame its flop on being a female led cast and talk about how consumers dont want female led movies despite Wonder Womans success.
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scarletspeed7
02/05/20 11:10:56 PM
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wat

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HanOfTheNekos
02/05/20 11:21:26 PM
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it's all the fault of the casual revolution of 2007

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swirIdude
02/05/20 11:27:15 PM
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"Hands off my prey!"

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NFUN
02/06/20 12:04:45 AM
#43:


seems kind of odd to release a Worf movie so close to the premier of the Picard show but I'll give it a shot

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LinkMarioSamus
02/06/20 6:05:03 AM
#44:


PerfectChaosZ posted...
And when this movie sucks for a quintillion reasons theyll yet again blame its flop on being a female led cast and talk about how consumers dont want female led movies despite Wonder Womans success.

Is that really a thing? Ghostbusters 2016 flopping didn't prevent Ocean's Eight and Charlie's Angels from coming out.

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Eddv
02/06/20 6:39:38 AM
#45:


scarletspeed7 posted...
Well the test audiences enjoyed it, so it's really not a fair comparison. There were no test audiences for Green Lantern. Just test pilots.


This pun deserves more attention

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Eddv
02/06/20 6:41:37 AM
#46:


MichelBollinger posted...
I'm not going to pretend I'm not biased here.

Making Cassandra Cain into the character she is in this movie basically cemented that I would never forgive this movie even if it was good. It could literally be the best comic book movie in years and I would still be against it.

How do you turn Cassandra Cain into a boner comedy high school girl?


Check out this fucking nerd.

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LinkMarioSamus
02/06/20 11:22:40 AM
#47:


Christina Hodson's first two films were destroyed by critics, and her last two films have been critical darlings.

Apparently a "bad" female screenwriter will still write women better than 97% of male screenwriters.

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PerfectChaosZ
02/06/20 12:45:31 PM
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Charlies Angels has always been like that its not gonna make waves coming out. I cant believe the thousands of times Ive seen till my eyes bleed folks saying that movies where the leads are females sucked based on movies like Catwoman or Ghostbusters and its like those movies sucked bad just cause they sucked bad you cant correlate that to just because it had the main characters as women. But people still do and try to use it as justication for boycotting, downvoting or trying to stop them being made at all. Sure the biggest budget movies are still gonna be made but its just such a stupid unnesscary obstacle. Everyone seems like theyre always waiting for female movies to flop and it makes it less likely well get an actual good female superhero movie anytime soon.
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HashtagSEP
02/06/20 12:58:44 PM
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I wasn't aware anybody thought Catwoman sucked because the lead was female.

I thought everybody thought Catwoman sucked because Catwoman really, really sucks.

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Jakyl25
02/06/20 1:01:06 PM
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Yeah I dont think anyone of any gender political persuasion is championing Catwoman
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