Board 8 > Eff 2019 Mafia: Topic 7 - Sonic's Glow Up

(+) Yeah! (+)

Gotta Go Fast!:
1) Ben
2) Blade
3) Corrik
4) Death
5) Han
6) Hbthebattle
7) MI
8) MZero
9) Puns
10) Sbell
11) SultanOfSlam

Gotta go at a reasonable speed no sense hurrying!:
LD1 - red: Storming Area 51 and not even finding a single alien (a.k.a. Storm Area 51), TOWN Cop
KN1 - 5tarscream: Being unable to tell if you were the person in blackface or the Klan outfit because come on man it really could be either Im going to need some more specific dates on that one Ralph Northam, TOWN Vanilla
LD2 - IGCD: Lori Loughlin, TOWN Vanilla
LD2 - Scare: Baby Yoda, 2019 Adorable Meme
KN2 - Chris: Toni Morrison, TOWN Vanilla
KN2 - Lea: Elijah Cummings, TOWN Politician

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch! Day ends at 9 PM CST tonight!

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Tag

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Honk
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also how the hell did you not see Scare's last post of day1, Han?
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undefined posted...

Hans role doesnt seem all that useful either tbh

It can be. If someone visits scum he can tell if they visited a scum person or confirm someone town if visited by scum. But, basically no one can visit scum from what I see. Cop alrdy does that himself. No one else has claimed to be able to move. And the being able to know if visited by scum is a bit pointless also. It's so low % that it's silly, especially after the 1st day that anyone visited by scum is likely from a night kill. The role is practically useless in this setup. Which doesn't bode well for Han's being town and why I have him more likely to be scum than Ben ATM.

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(heck I asked myself this same question day2)
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And I dont mean why did Han focus on the red voters day2? I mean, why didnt Han read the entire end of day1 period?
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htaeD posted...

And I dont mean why did Han focus on the red voters day2? I mean, why didnt Han read the entire end of day1 period?

I haven't either to be fair. But, he isn't me and that isn't an excuse for him.

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To answer your question here Han

Scare was around for the last 30 minutes, and he caught up enough to know that red was no longer in the lead. He seemed torn on who to vote otherwise and hinted towards HB. But it never came of that since he also witnessed MI's quadvote.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

I expect Scum to have multiple non-killing roles that target Town. If red, me, and Ben are only Town night powers, then that heavily implies to me a Framer could exist.

Unlikely because frankly, scum has zero reason to use those roles. Hell, even using their roleblocker at this point in time seems pointless. Especially on you. If you are gonna use it, you should likely be using it on unclaimeds looking for a protection to protect the night kills.

But even then, is that really necessary either?

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Btw looking back
Corrik, your reason for not trying to save red is now the weakest one. Must make you very happy.
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Also, I think Blade would have replaced out if town. His death is purposeful as scum.

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Fraer? with a miller and a scum godfather-type already in the game? surely you jest.
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htaeD posted...

also how the hell did you not see Scare's last post of day1, Han?

??

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*Framer
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htaeD posted...

Fraer? with a miller and a scum godfather-type already in the game? surely you jest.

Miller isn't confirmed in the slightest

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htaeD posted...

Btw looking back
Corrik, your reason for not trying to save red is now the weakest one. Must make you very happy.

I don't care how you assess my reasoning. I didn't save red because I didn't want to. There is no excuse. I never said woe is me red was town and you guys slayed him. He died. Yinz were wrong. And so be it. I didn't want to lynch a cop claim, but I was curious to see if the lynch was correct.

I didn't feel I had much of a dog in that fight.

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I will grant you that you are the only player I can see being selfish enough to say 'I am keeping my hands clean so I look good and you dont'

But you realize how scummy that sounds.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Miller isn't confirmed in the slightest

Haha
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I don't know how Han assessed like lots of non-killing scum roles. Framer doesn't make a ton of sense and has no use after cop is even dead anyways. Rolecop makes little sense as multivoter politician reveal themselves to the game, psychic with rolecop would be lol, and etc. Kinda pointless and why should it exist.

Scum has a poisoner and roleblocker (or a jack with a poison and roleblock), a godfather, and likely a goon at this point of time with what I have seen. I mean, what else can they have that fits the setup so far. Unless 3 people claim like jailkeeper, doctor, and detective tomorrow, this game looks hella low power.

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I mean, I'm a square hole. You're trying to shove in every peg possible, using whatever lack of logic or thought it takes. I intentionally play brash, but this feels more like a play than actual Scumhunting.

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Frmer hasnt been used in a decade too (hyperbole? I dont even know)

BTW
Chris really wanted Han to die. Puns, can you tell me what changed that?
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(why the fuck cant I spell Framer today?!?!?!)
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htaeD posted...

Frmer hasnt been used in a decade too (hyperbole? I dont even know)

BTW
Chris really wanted Han to die. Puns, can you tell me what changed that?

Chris believed Hans claim.

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

I mean, I'm a square hole. You're trying to shove in every peg possible, using whatever lack of logic or thought it takes. I intentionally play brash, but this feels more like a play than actual Scumhunting.

Might wanna clarify who you're talking too.
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A scum psychic would fit hella in there as it would be relatively just a slightly powered up goon, I suppose.

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It's obviously you.

If I was responding to Corrik, I'd have said "if Ben is Town, it implies Scum non-killing power".

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tag and remembers when he was a fat ugly sonic

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htaeD posted...

BTW
Chris really wanted Han to die. Puns, can you tell me what changed that?

Basically just the claim. Chris and Lea both had already submitted lynch votes on han before he even claimed. I said let's have him claim at least, and as soon as he did chris changed his no lynch vote to a lynch vote and said let's kill igcd. Then right after I hammered IGCD he was like "ok I changed my mind on ben let's kill him"

turbopuns3 posted...

changed his no lynch vote to a lynch vote

Should read the opposite

HanOfTheNekos posted...

It's obviously you.

If I was responding to Corrik, I'd have said "if Ben is Town, it implies Scum non-killing power".

Ah I see, if you wanna call me scum just say so.

I disagree anyway. If anything you are a round hole that can fill too many pegs (saying Chris is gonna resolve, not talking about scare) which almost makes me wonder if you being scum is not too obvious.

Also I did check and you said the 'selfresolving' thing before the power reveal. Which still fits my theory, but also I suppose your claim.

Then again I suppose you are technically selfresolving too if you are town and scum cannot abide by your power.
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turbopuns3 posted...

Basically just the claim. Chris and Lea both had already submitted lynch votes on han before he even claimed. I said let's have him claim at least, and as soon as he did chris changed his no lynch vote to a lynch vote and said let's kill igcd. Then right after I hammered IGCD he was like "ok I changed my mind on ben let's kill him"

Hrm.
Well the scumtheory here would be that scumyou warned scumHan and told him to make a power claim Chris and Lea would believe.
Buuuut, I feel you would have made a safer claim than this easy to fake role, if you and he knew how dire his situation was.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Miller isn't confirmed in the slightest

With Scare being a godfather, I do not see a scum-aligned Death taking the risk of claiming Miller. Maybe if Scum had no godfther he would do it, but absolutely not if he was on a team with one.

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Han did you ever claim an actual name of your role?

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Death is making some points

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I am.
And? (dont mean to sass, just curious)
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htaeD posted...

I am.
And? (dont mean to sass, just curious)

I mean i thought so i waa going to make a similar statement on how kind of easy hans role is to fake.

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Death so your scum team look something like this?

Blade, ben, puns?

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turbopuns3 posted...

that's just how you refer to sports teams from the past.

Like, for example

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Miami_Dolphins_season

"The 1972 Dolphins are the only NFL team to win the Super Bowl with a perfect season."

So yeah I did realize this the second after voting for Blade, but at that point thought it better to commit and see Blade's answer.

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turbopuns3 posted...

Basically just the claim. Chris and Lea both had already submitted lynch votes on han before he even claimed. I said let's have him claim at least, and as soon as he did chris changed his no lynch vote to a lynch vote and said let's kill igcd. Then right after I hammered IGCD he was like "ok I changed my mind on ben let's kill him"

So you wanted your scumbuddy to have a chance to claim and get Chris to choose not do go the lynch at his discretion, not yours. So, the claim was tailor made to make Chris think Han was town.

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Its less Puns and more Corrik and Han.

That said, I dont think the scumteam is those 4/5 people exactly. Too many pieces dont fit together. I can still see one or more of them being town somehow. Han being town for instance would lessen my negative feelings towards Puns.

Honestly, I am also noting your presence got a little lesser on day2. Though not enough to catch my attention yet.

Also Sbell and Mzero are only just okay-ish.
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(also if it was anyone else, I would have been certain by now that Corrik was scum. But Corrik is also still Corrik).
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I agree with Han on his Sultan read. There are multiple posts from Sultan that exude a town perspective, to the point where I don't see anyone being that good at faking it. I think I quoted one of them he made today or yesterday.

I find Han actually really agreeable in general, and this will sound really scummy coming from me (especially since it was brought up that I could easily be scum psychic), but I am warm to the idea that Han COULD be town and we could both be town. It all depends on what the full setup is. I was expecting more town power when I thought that Han's role was too similar to mine to exist.

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Corrik7 posted...

So you wanted your scumbuddy to have a chance to claim and get Chris to choose not do go the lynch at his discretion, not yours. So, the claim was tailor made to make Chris think Han was town.

Thats what I said. Though how does one tailormake a claim for Chris?
(I am not asking for a future mafia game, not at all!)
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I suppose a committee is a rather strong asset for town to balance around.
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htaeD posted...

Thats what I said. Though how does one tailormake a claim for Chris?
(I am not asking for a future mafia game, not at all!)

Look at his claim. A claim that doesn't make much sense to exist but just happens to conveniently say Chris is town and explain why he went to Chris night 1 if tracked! If anything, Chris might have taken that as a low-key doctor claim... Tbqh.

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All while Puns is convincing Chris to wait until Han claims!

I mean, Chris didn't know he was poisoned nor did Lea know Chris was when this went down. Let's just trust their guts on Han for now until tomorrow.

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Also, to further cement this. Han claimed very easily. Han is very stingy with claiming. I think he is even one of those I don't give a shit I am never claiming ever sort of players. He claimed very easily when Puns was trying to get them to wait for Han to claim.

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well if nothing else, seeing you reflect my thoughts and enhance them is a nice way to make me see you more as town, Corrik
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