Board 8 > Eff 2019 Mafia: Topic 6 - Naughty Black Hole Pictures

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

I don't respond to tags.

K

##Vote: Han

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TotallyNotMI posted...

...your flavor gave no indication that you died?

Nope

Can you give a paraphrase of your flavor then?

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Oh no maybe puns is actually scum

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It jokes about how a huge guy in a furry outfit is probably weirder than an actual Wookie

Says if I lose I'll probably howl and rip someone's arm off. I've done it for less than losing a mafia game

MZero11 posted...

Oh no maybe puns is actually scum

*rolls eyes*

I find it weird that it wouldn't mention that you died based on my flavor and those who have flipped already

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It's kind of disappointing that you all think as scum I would stumble over a vanilla claim on day 3

Actually Lea's flavor doesn't make it clear that he died, on second glance. So I guess it's not that suspicious

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turbopuns3 posted...

It's kind of disappointing that you all think as scum I would stumble over a vanilla claim on day 3

I mean, I once accidentally admitted to getting my flavor from a YouTube video

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MZero11 posted...

Actually Lea's flavor doesn't make it clear that he died, on second glance. So I guess it's not that suspicious

I mean, it uses past tense and says town needs his help one final time.

I'm more concerned at puns train of thought if this really is his flavor. He gets Chewbacca's actor in fuck 2019 Mafia and doesn't think anything of it? That seems like a reasonable flavor - he doesn't research it at all or he would see that he died. Then he questions Death's miller claim because he thinks the town flavor should be good things. It doesn't make sense.

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Why would I research my flavor?

Ffs do not make a mountain out of it. This is the kind of stuff that derails towns. Forget all the gameplay that has happened up until now and just focus on one little minute detail of how maybe under certain interpretations a guy's role PM might not sound exactly like someone else's role PM

Despite it not making any sense to me, I'm re-reading this post

turbopuns3 posted...

So if Miller is supposed to "appear bad but isn't actually bad" that seems like a weird flavor fit

Cuz like you'd think people boycotting blizzard temporarily would be more like appearing good but actually being bad

But who cares moving on

And I'm not seeing it coming from scum who understands the flavor split?

I'm trying to see it as 'scum acting like they don't know the flavor split' but it still just doesn't seem like it fits from that perspective.

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I will point out I don't think anyone batted an eye when I just claimed someone who got elected mayor in 2019 with no apparent drawbacks? It should be pretty obvious I didn't fully grasp the flavor split to begin with

Suprak the Stud posted...

[6] Scare - Blade, Sbell, MZero, (Lea), (Chris), (Ben), (Hb), Sultan, Hb, Chris
[5] Blade - (Scare), (Chris), Ben, Puns, Han, Lea, Scare

Also I'm not sure how helpful this really is since this could still potentially have been scum/scum.

But it does make Ben/Puns/Han look a little worse.

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If Blade is town, that is.

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Anyway, I didn't mean to get a little charged up there. I want to focus on solving the game, I just can't do much atm because I'm out and about (getting a flu test. I was passed out for like half of sunday and monday) so I can't really research. Just responding to things in the moment

Puns also had no vote down D2 until near EOD when he followed me onto Ben. Then when the Blade lynch started he jumped over without any justification and didn't really have much content towards EOD (although he's now saying he was sick for that)

Hm hm hm.

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Turbo you mentioned focusing on the gameplay and not getting hung up on the flavor detail.

Do you feel that your play in this game shows you as solidly town?

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Worth noting blade called me scum for the post about death's miller claim

Chris pretty much singlehandedly ruined day 2 for me. I was trying to set him up to where we could make a play where he or I faked dayvig on someone without having to reveal anything about Lea's role or the fact we could communicate outside the game.

But he (admittedly was having a very rough day, and) threw a temper tantrum when I voted him, and explained the entire role and everything out in detail just so he could control the flow of everything. It was basically a huge OMGUS play from him in reaction to me voting him.

So I got frustrated and at that point I was just trying to compromise because letting him have his way was probably going to be more productive than continuing to butt heads. So most of the time I spent not sleeping was just trying to settle on something with him and lea.

That's why by the end of the day I was willing to just follow Chris because it became abundantly clear to me by the end that he was town. I'd brought Ben's name to the table for a possible bonus lynch but got shot down. However after Han's claim, Chris said he was on board with killing ben. So we went that route, then Chris switched to Blade whom we had also discussed bonus lynching before, so I just went with it because it seemed fine.

I actually tried to switch back to Scare at the end after Chris did but got hung up on formatting because for whetever reason gamefaqs new post box style or whatever gets really janky with #s and colons. It randomly teleported my colon back to the start of the line after I hit enter

good news!

/s

copy/pasting from private boards is a modkillable offense.

I'm at a computer now so I will start summarizing this 8,342 character notes dump Chris left

turbopuns3 posted...

I was trying to set him up to where we could make a play where he or I faked dayvig on someone without having to reveal anything about Lea's role or the fact we could communicate outside the game.

How is this a town play in this situation?

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If puns is town, then why deceive the rest of town regarding being recruited into a masonry he has no idea if run by scum.

Not town points for puns here.


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*AHEM*

(read in Chris voice)

Han basically has to be town. While his role itself might be underwhelming, pretty much every part of how he played it was pro-town. I super read him as a town member who hasn't liked my play but got a town result from his power.

It is important to note that the way the wagons ended up day 2 does not clear Blade, despite Scare being scum. The fact that I coldly called Scare scum end of day 1 and was still alive on day 2 offers many worlds in which Scum Blade just phones it in from the start of day by throwing Scare under the bus.

I would be shocked if Blade and SBell are both town who just zeroed in on the eventual scum lynch right from the start and never wavered whatsoever.

Now time to solve the rest based on reading scare alone!

*cue broadway music*

First thing is I'd be surprised to learn that puns is scum based on his page 1 alone. I think he genuinely enjoys being scum more than town and is "just" bummed he rolled town.

Ben's claim was awful, but the way Scare interacted with him feels more like scum buddying a town rather than buddying scum.

*quote blade posting a short town/scum list day 1*

I don't think Blade could be 60% accurate as town on day 1. Don't trust that!

*quote puns post about death's miller claim*

Puns seems sincerely too ignorant of the flavor split to be scum posting this so quickly after the miller claim. Also Corrik failing at the flavor split on day 2 gives him mild credit though it's not outside of his scum range.

Blade was above average talkative day 1 and kind of openly made fun of scare which both speak to him maybe being town.

Han is mega town for telling Scare to make his sig more search friendly.

*quotes MI defending scare*

Poor MI. You are trying your best. Probably town for defending Scare so openly. To be fair, Day 1 also wasn't so great for me.

Working scum pool:

Ben, Blade, Corrik, Lea, MZero, SBell

(talks a little bit of facts about how each of them voted)

SBell pointing out that it's too quiet near end of day without doing anything about it with his vote could be viewed as a defense of Blade.

End of day 2 didn't have enough movement to make me believe it was town/scum. There had to have been at least 2 town voting Blade, one of which is Han and at least 1 of Lea/Puns is town too.

*quotes Ben's narrowed down scum list*

I like it!

Things that probably are not real:

Town Blade with Scum SBell

Scum Blade with Scum Lea

Scum SBell and Scum Lea

So two theories for a 4-person team:

Blade, SBell, Corrik, MZero

Lea, MZero, Corrik, Ben

However it would be possible to swap in Ben to the first team in place of MZero or Corrik

Solid town list:

MI, Death, Han, HB, Puns, Sultan

DISCLAIMER: I am often wrong

Obellisk posted...

How is this a town play in this situation?

How is making scum think a town vanilla is a dayvig who killed scum in broad daylight a town play?

really, SBell?

turbopuns3 posted...

How is making scum think a town vanilla is a dayvig who killed scum in broad daylight a town play?

really, SBell?

No, the problem here is that if you are town and pulled into a masonry with a lynch at their disposal and you have no idea if it's linked to scum. Who are you trying to fool here? SCUM?

Its just foolish not to have full disclosure for towns benefit. Unless you are scum and want to make it look like you are deceiving your team.

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htaeD posted...

K

##Vote: Han

wow, why even ask a question if you don't want to know the answer

(hint: I already answered the question yesterday)

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2 out of 3 aint bad postwall from maybe-Chris. I disagree with Han playing like town, but thats more due to what he did and less knowing Hans usual attitude.

Plus for all I know this is a scumPuns change
I found at least one reason to like Puns less as I am reading slowly, more on that later.


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HanOfTheNekos posted...

wow, why even ask a question if you don't want to know the answer

(hint: I already answered the question yesterday)

Why would I not want to know the answer?
Also I will see about that

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Han is mega town for telling Scare to make his sig more search friendly.

Oye, I said this first!

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Obellisk posted...

No, the problem here is that if you are town and pulled into a masonry with a lynch at their disposal and you have no idea if it's linked to scum. Who are you trying to fool here? SCUM?

Its just foolish not to have full disclosure for towns benefit. Unless you are scum and want to make it look like you are deceiving your team.

Can we stop saying "mason"? It's not a masonry.

The only thing that's foolish here is you trying to shade me for attempting to leverage a town role to benefit town and hurt scum by incentivizing them to shoot a vanilla.

If we had done what I wanted, and for example I day lynched scare, in what way is that hurting town? Scum would want to shoot me, a vanilla, (maybe not immediately but still) and there is no way in heck they'd kill off all 3 of us in 1 night.

And what are you going to say? Now lea would look suspicious when claiming her role after I died?

No. I would flip vanilla, so obviously someone would need to explain what happened and Lea would look extremely believable.

Continuing this line against me any further is basically admitting that you're scum trying to mislead town today.

Talk like this makes me wonder if there is a rule about faking dayvigs right before a lynch goes off. (since you didnt decide in this topic)
What would you even have done to fake it?

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And I didn't have "no idea" if it was scum led. We chatted all N1 and into D2 I had a pretty good feeling about them

htaeD posted...

What would you even have done to fake it?

Claim I can day lynch someone? Then we day lynch someone??

I am pretty sure Chris mentioned the idea before he died. There's also a post where he was setting the stage for it, before he blew a fuse over me voting him and spilled all the beans

Can you guys listen to me for once. Start with Blade today. Han or Ben is tomorrow.

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turbopuns3 posted...

Continuing this line against me any further is basically admitting that you're scum trying to mislead town today.

You can't just make a bad argument and then say if you call me scum then you are the real scum.

Thats not how life works.

Your ploy is a bad ploy and I think Chris saw through it which is why he spilled the beans. He was protecting towns interest, now he may have changed his tune on you before his death but that's neither here nor there since now he's dead. Sounds like you were just trying to muddy the waters.

Also, watch me claim scum right now. (apparently)

##vote: puns

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Obellisk posted...

Your ploy is a bad ploy and I think Chris saw through it which is why he spilled the beans. He was protecting towns interest, now he may have changed his tune on you before his death but that's neither here nor there since now he's dead. Sounds like you were just trying to muddy the waters.

Chris literally said he primarily explained everything because he didn't trust Lea's role fully.

Anyway here's the set up I was talking about

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Before this day is over...

One person will be dead.

SBell why are you just handwaving the points I made for why the fake dayvig makes perfect sense and calling it a "bad argument" without addressing it?

turbopuns3 posted...

Chris literally said he primarily explained everything because he didn't trust Lea's role fully.

Listen punsz I don't want to believe that you are scum in the "congress". However your explanation has led me down a dark hole where you just made yourself sound really bad.

Its too easy for scum to have killed off Chris and Lea and expect us to assume you scum. If you are scum killing the two of them makes NO SENSE. Points for you.

But your wanting to lie about the kill just doesn't flown with pro town play for me.

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turbopuns3 posted...

If we had done what I wanted, and for example I day lynched scare, in what way is that hurting town? Scum would want to shoot me, a vanilla, (maybe not immediately but still) and there is no way in heck they'd kill off all 3 of us in 1 night.

And what are you going to say? Now lea would look suspicious when claiming her role after I died?

No. I would flip vanilla, so obviously someone would need to explain what happened and Lea would look extremely believable.

Explain the sinister scumminess of this plan

If he didn't want to explain the role to keep town in the dark as scum why would he admit that was what he wanted to do?

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htaeD posted...

Why would I not want to know the answer?
Also I will see about that

because if you wanted to know the answer you'd have asked your question without tagging me instead of voting me.

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@HanOfTheNekos

That seems kind of petty.

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I know. Voting me because I asked him not to tag me. I mean, jeez.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Lynching scum is always my top priority. Also I had lea and puns ready to make me look like a day vig today for fun but I decided to be transparent instead. Good luck trying to spin that one.

tell me more about how chris "busted" me on my super sneaky scum ploy

anyway chris's "win the game" flow chart hinged a lot on determining blade's alignment

##vote: blade

enough about me let's get the ball rolling on this day

HanOfTheNekos posted...

because if you wanted to know the answer you'd have asked your question without tagging me instead of voting me.

You dont get to play this game, Han.
Why are you being so stubborn about the tagging?

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