Board 8 > Eff 2019 Mafia: Topic 6 - Naughty Black Hole Pictures

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To at the very least prove whether he has an ability that can target someone.

At the very most if his power was legit we could combo up for possible shenanigans, such as town confirming any town that targeted me. But alas no one targeted me anyway.

Still, Han had no reason not to especially with his power being very convenient and likely made up, plus being similar to mine. Him not targeting me leads me to believe he lied and cannot target anyone (without role blocking or killing them or something that is)

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turbopuns3 posted...

Why would Han target you

He said he was going to yesterday
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In his position, with many people not believing his claim yesterday, he had no reason not to target me. Whether he's town or scum, if he shows that he can visit me, it makes the claim 90% more believable. So it would seem he just can't do it

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I'll let Han speak for himself I guess

I was roleblocked.


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Was hoping you wouldn't say that.


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I expected it to happen.

I also expected to come into today begrudgingly accepting Blade wasn't Scum but lol.


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benjamin3740 posted...

Oh yeah, Corrik.

He's an outlier for me. Maybe he should CLAIM

No

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##vote: Blade

Got out ahead of me to say I am voting you in return, eh?

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Han is probably town btw or is scum who gave you the truth that scum visited Chris day 1.

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If Han is scum, he is a poisoner or roleblocked. But, again, neither here nor now. For now, we can assume town due to the roleblock claim, though it is suspect for sure.

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Roleblocker*

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Btw, I retract Han is probably town part. He is way more likely to be scum. He just isn't where we need to go to today.

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Also, Ben, you should 100% think Han is scum if your role is legit and obviously see the fallacy of the fact that Han's role is completely useless for information gathering, yet he supposedly was roleblocked instead of scum trying to roleblock the dwindling field of options for a protection role.

What can Han prove at this point? If he went to the NK, oh ok the person killed at night was town. Yippee. Or the person who was roleblocked is town, yippee. Which of course by nature them being roleblocked already suggests that. Han's role provides basically nothing after the first night phase and obviously doesn't exist with your own role.

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Chris was obviously poisoned night 1. Or locked into by an assassin if you prefer, Ben.

Only way Chris was getting shot night 1 was with a strongman due to board 8 nature to protect him. He definitely after flipping to scare at eod and pretty much cementing he was town was gonna get the protection night 2. Thus, the protection was bypassed. And, we know from Han who likely went to Chris night 1 as scum (or as town who saw it), that Chris was visited night 1. They didn't save a strongman shot til night 2 obviously.

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So anyways, the NKs. Likely a bunch of board 8 power players. The Blades, Han, Scares, etc. Poison Chris Night 1. Probably would have shot Red night 1 if we hadn't done them the honors. They shoot off on 5tar and leave me alive because Han and Blade are very on the record that I am terrible and just implode towns. So, they expect I will do their work for them, which they probably thought I was doing God's work for them day 2 going after Chris/Lea.

They felt Lea confirmed with her power and was too strong to let remain in an outside the game chat. (Or Puns is scum in there and they killed Lea so that Puns can tell us bullshit Chris info dumps before he was killed).

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Actually, Puns being scum pretty squarely also addresses why Lea wasn't shot N1. He was recruited prior to the nightphase going off. They knew her power alrdy and wanted the lynch on town there.

Yeah,

Blade, Han, Puns are all likely scum.

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Puns might have even been able to ascertain Chris's role in the night phase also prior to their actions being made.

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benjamin3740 posted...

Yes. The other option is that 3 town members were so supremely confident in Scare's day 1 being bad that they committed early, were not steered a different direction by day 2 events, and ended up being right all along. Which is how you claim you felt - that SCare was that obvious. But if he was that obvious end of day 1 (And I agreed he was), then surely it's not crazy for MORE than one scum to feel they have to bus him and will look good for doing so.

I mean, I voted Scare halfway through Day 2 after being steered off of Chris. I don't get why you're grouping me in with them!

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benjamin3740 posted...

2019 is the mafia flavor.

SCUM SLIP

I just saw this. Kinda funny. And very likely true.

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If puns is scum why did he hold out so long on the town IGCD lynch?

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I'm not going to declare Puns scum until I see that promised collection of notes from Chris and can judge it for myself
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Hbthebattle posted...

I'm not going to declare Puns scum until I see that promised collection of notes from Chris and can judge it for myself

His "notes" were gonna say to lynch me. I don't doubt Chris left notes. But they are going to be altered if Puns is scum.

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MZero11 posted...

If puns is scum why did he hold out so long on the town IGCD lynch?

He held out just as long for Han, and seemingly everyone else Chris/Lea wanted to lynch, so that's a null tell.
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MZero11 posted...

If puns is scum why did he hold out so long on the town IGCD lynch?

If he was like yippee Kai yay let's do that lynch instantly it doesn't give him the alas these damn dudes pressured me into IGCD when I knew it wasn't him. Plus IGCD was a super easy mislynch who wasn't even playing anyways.

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I am positive on Blade, 85% on Han, and about 65% sure on Puns.


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Corrik7 posted...

His "notes" were gonna say to lynch me. I don't doubt Chris left notes. But they are going to be altered if Puns is scum.

Which is why I want to see them for myself, to judge their validity
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Hbthebattle posted...

Which is why I want to see them for myself, to judge their validity

He is gonna have Chris's actual notes to use as an outline. Notice how puns didn't drop them right away. Sure he isn't at a computer. Cuz he has to be at a computer to copy and paste. Right?

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Corrik7 posted...

Actually, Puns being scum pretty squarely also addresses why Lea wasn't shot N1. He was recruited prior to the nightphase going off. They knew her power alrdy and wanted the lynch on town there.

Yeah,

Blade, Han, Puns are all likely scum.

Wait, why would Lea be shot N1 if scum didn't know about her power?
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Hbthebattle posted...

Wait, why would Lea be shot N1 if scum didn't know about her power?

Because they feel Lea is a better player than the rest of us?

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Corrik7 posted...

He is gonna have Chris's actual notes to use as an outline. Notice how puns didn't drop them right away. Sure he isn't at a computer. Cuz he has to be at a computer to copy and paste. Right?

Even if he just edits names and nothing else, there's going to be differences and contradictions from what Chris said while alive. Even with an outline,there should still be telltale signs of edits
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Han and Blade are formulaic as scum. They aren't very creative. I always say Blade is useful as town and has a moose as scum cuz he usually kills himself with a dumb fake claim as scum or doesn't even try. And Han is totally running that scum team's decisions.

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Corrik7 posted...

If he was like yippee Kai yay let's do that lynch instantly it doesn't give him the alas these damn dudes pressured me into IGCD when I knew it wasn't him. Plus IGCD was a super easy mislynch who wasn't even playing anyways.

Yes but he risked them changing their minds and going for one of his teammates, all of whom were still alive at that point, when he easily could have gotten the mislynch and removed the threat with little splashback because IGCD didn't look great anyway, and he was just agreeing with two townies.

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Hbthebattle posted...

Even if he just edits names and nothing else, there's going to be differences and contradictions from what Chris said while alive. Even with an outline,there should still be telltale signs of edits

Chris is not gonna be 100% right. Anything damning will be deleted or altered.

The fact you think you can ascertain what Chris would have said versus Puns with who knows how much time in conjunction with Han and whoever making some alterations is a bit silly.

The fact Puns acted like he couldn't copy and paste it earlier should be your tell-tale sign that those info dumps are not legit.

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Corrik7 posted...

Because they feel Lea is a better player than the rest of us?

Wouldn't they shoot MI, who likely-scum Han thinks is a better player than he is and is also confirmed power? Lea's not a common early shot in my experience.
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oh wait he'd have to vote so there was no threat I'm dumb

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MZero11 posted...

Yes but he risked them changing their minds and going for one of his teammates, all of whom were still alive at that point, when he easily could have gotten the mislynch and removed the threat with little splashback because IGCD didn't look great anyway, and he was just agreeing with two townies.

I believe Lea said it has to be unanimous. And now since Chris and Lea are conveniently dead we don't know who Puns might have been absolutely not to or who he angled for. It is all his own conjecture at this point.

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Hbthebattle posted...

Wouldn't they shoot MI, who likely-scum Han thinks is a better player than he is and is also confirmed power? Lea's not a common early shot in my experience.

MI who killed the cop with 4 votes day 1?

I mean, MI got some baggage, bro. And, I am not even clearing MI as town either.

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MZero11 posted...

Yes but he risked them changing their minds and going for one of his teammates, all of whom were still alive at that point, when he easily could have gotten the mislynch and removed the threat with little splashback because IGCD didn't look great anyway, and he was just agreeing with two townies.

There were several other lynches throughout the day though that puns refused to pull the trigger on, though
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Hbthebattle posted...

There were several other lynches throughout the day though that puns refused to pull the trigger on, though

We know there was major disagreement. And they settled on the low hanging fruit. That's about it.

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Corrik7 posted...

MI who killed the cop with 4 votes day 1?

I mean, MI got some baggage, bro. And, I am not even clearing MI as town either.

Fair enough, I suppose
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MI has conveniently sucked this game, by his own account.

MI's role being scum is unlikely because of how it unbalances things, but is possible I suppose. The scum team would have to be only 4 in 17 then. Or MI is 3rd party.

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Hbthebattle posted...

There were several other lynches throughout the day though that puns refused to pull the trigger on, though

I understand that but that's either null or town indicative at this point. The only way he could have looked scummy is he haphazardly pulled the trigger on someone he's been town reading.

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MZero11 posted...

I understand that but that's either null or town indicative at this point. The only way he could have looked scummy is he haphazardly pulled the trigger on someone he's been town reading.

Well, if you admit it's hard to look scummy while doing this, then why is not immediately lynching IGCD (who he thought was scummy btw) a town tell for him?
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Hbthebattle posted...

Well, if you admit it's hard to look scummy while doing this, then why is not immediately lynching IGCD (who he thought was scummy btw) a town tell for him?

It shows that we was thinking things through logically and not rushing into a lynch, which as scum he would have no reason to do because he would IGCD was town. It's more of a "Why would scum do this?" thing more than a town tell, to be precise.

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Chris didn't know this but Han may have just changed his opinion on Chris because he knew Chris was poisoned and gonna flip town and used it to try and confirm himself some.

Han isn't as dead set as Blade is, but Ben or Han is scum and it's likelier Han. Ben is scum psychic if scum anyways.

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Calling me scum based on the fact lea got killed is pretty elementary and borderline insulting, tbh.

Minor thoughts for now

Lea dying could just as easily mean scum wanted to frame Puns as it could mean Puns is scum, so I am not ready to call Puns scum based on that (I could more easily do that because of his mayor claim shenanigans)

Han being roleblocked also to me could mean that Han is scum and faked a roleblock to draw a reaction from whoever they really blocked N2. (and also to keep Hans lie going)
That or they didnt want Bens psychic role to be confirmed. Even if that is silly when anyone could target Ben if they wanted.

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Corrik7 posted...

Chris didn't know this but Han may have just changed his opinion on Chris because he knew Chris was poisoned and gonna flip town and used it to try and confirm himself some.

Han isn't as dead set as Blade is, but Ben or Han is scum and it's likelier Han. Ben is scum psychic if scum anyways.

I did note hoe worryingly unconcerned Han was about Chris day2 all of the sudden.

He even mentioned that Chris 'would resolve himself'

Hmmmmmm

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Hbthebattle posted...

There were several other lynches throughout the day though that puns refused to pull the trigger on, though

There were exactly 2 lynches brought to trial, btw. First was Han, who I said let's at least see him claim first and as soon as he claimed, Chris changed his lynch vote to a no lynch vote anyway. Then there was IGCD, and the main reason I didn't lynch sooner was just that I was asleep, tbh.