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Antifar 01/18/20 11:19:22 AM #1:	https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/pete-buttigieg-black-voters-iowa-democratic-primary The white voters who come to Pete Buttigieg's rallies just don't understand. Many of them fell for the 37-year-old former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, the first time they heard him speak: his calm demeanor, his intelligence, the way he seemed to appeal to progressives and moderates alike. But his support among Democratic-leaning black voters nationally is stuck in the abysmally low single digits. I dont understand that, said Bill Koeneig, a physician in Des Moines who said Buttigieg is one of his top choices in the first-in-the-nation caucuses. I dont understand it, said Julie Walstrom, a retired teacher in Perry, Iowa, who is deciding between Buttigieg, former vice president Joe Biden, and Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar. I dont understand what that issue could possibly be, said Doug Gardner, a retired sales worker in Urbandale. In nearly two dozen interviews across Iowa this month, white voters struggled to reconcile their affection for Buttigieg with how black voters see the candidate. Some said it simply didnt matter to them. Many more had been grappling with how to think about the disconnect and Buttigiegs challenges: Some were worried, others frustrated. ... Buttigieg is among the frontrunners in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two mostly white states that play an outsize role in deciding the presidential nomination as the first two states to vote. But his standing is lower nationally. In South Carolina, a key early-voting state because of its large black population, Buttigieg has frequently pulled 0% among black voters. The vast majority of white Iowa voters said theyd heard about Buttigiegs difficulties with voters of color. Many had heard, particularly, of his record in South Bend, where he was criticized for his handling of police relations and housing issues in communities of color. I think its partly because of the incident that happened in South Bend, said Sue Seidenfeld, a retired physician assistant in Waukee who said she was undecided in the race and had come to see Buttigieg in Winterset. She did not specify the incident. I think that maybe that black voters feel like he wasnt as empathetic as he could have been, and as on top of the situation as he should have been, she said. Which is kind of a shame because he has to be impartial, and he has to take some time to see what really the facts were, and I think people are too quick to judge sometimes. She paused and added: But maybe not, you know. There may be something to it. Still, Seidenfeld said, it wasnt an issue that was going to affect her vote either way. She thought Buttigieg was more empathetic to minorities than a lot of people. I also think, for what its worth, that its a shame that people think that Iowa shouldnt be the first [caucus] in the nation. Because after all, we were the first to go for Barack Obama. [Antifar's note: ] Buttigieg has long acknowledged his deficiencies with black voters, though he and his allies attribute it to his newness on the national scene. He has proposed a plan named for the abolitionist Frederick Douglass aimed at addressing institutional racism. Even so, a recent Washington PostIpsos poll measured support for Buttigieg among black voters who were familiar with him at 3% nationally. His aides believe strong finishes in Iowa and New Hampshire, white as they may be, will show Buttigieg is for real and that he can convince Democratic voters of color that hes the best choice to defeat President Donald Trump. Iowa and New Hampshire, by the pure fact of the primacy rule, have an outsize impact, a Buttigieg adviser told BuzzFeed News. Theyre the first demonstrable tests of electability and viability in the primary beyond the polls. To explain their theory another way: Biden propelled by decades in public life and two terms as vice president under the nations first black president is leading the field among black voters; for the moment, he looks unbeatable in South Carolina, where black voters account for most of the Democratic electorate. If Buttigieg can finish better than or on par with Biden in Iowa and New Hampshire, black voters might reconsider their choices before South Carolinas late February primary. Buttigiegs voters, too, often echoed this hopefulness, saying they thought he might win over black voters after a strong finish in Iowa. Rick Smith, a Buttigieg precinct captain from Urbandale, believes Buttigiegs main problem is name recognition. To me its no surprise whatsoever that Biden is leading with people of color, he said, adding that Sens. Cory Booker and Kamala Harris, two black candidates who entered the 2020 race with loads of promise, had trouble gaining traction with black voters before ending their campaigns. I think its a matter of Pete showing those folks that he can win, because they really want a winner, Smith said. I know Iowa is not the most representative state, but winning is winning everywhere. Showing you can win means a lot. Maria Waters, a Des Moines caucusgoer committed to Buttigieg, wrestled with the candidates lack of black support as she waited to hear him speak Sunday night at the State Historical Museum of Iowa. I look around the crowd, and I think, Why are we not winning them? Waters told BuzzFeed News. It is a little discouraging. No matter what, the subject of Buttigieg and black voters almost always made Iowans uneasy. They said they thought race shouldnt matter then corrected themselves to add that they knew it often did. It gives me a little pause, said Justin Stoffa, a strong Buttigieg supporter who worked in youth ministry in Des Moines, of Buttigiegs polling with black voters. But Stoffa said he didnt think candidates should target specific demographics. You should treat everyone as human beings, and dont worry so much about their skin color. Although that plays a role, we cant ignore history and cultural context and the real effect thats played. But ultimately, not to pander, I think thats a thing, he said. Stoffa had read about Black Lives Matter protesters interrupting Buttigiegs events in Los Angeles. I dont know, he said. I dont know how in tune with the African American community at large they are, but I I dont know. I think itll be interesting. Delicately, Stoffa added, I dont know, though, that he has to have the same coalition that Barack Obama did to win the election. A few minutes later, a group of Black Lives Matter protesters from South Bend disrupted Buttigiegs town hall forum <cite>Antifar posted [p:933125883] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/pete-buttigieg-black-voters-iowa-democratic-primary <quote>The white voters who come to Pete Buttigieg's rallies just don't understand. Many of them fell for the 37-year-old former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, the first time they heard him speak: his calm demeanor, his intelligence, the way he seemed to appeal to progressives and moderates alike. But his support among Democratic-leaning black voters nationally is stuck in the abysmally low single digits. I dont understand that, said Bill Koeneig, a physician in Des Moines who said Buttigieg is one of his top choices in the first-in-the-nation caucuses. I dont understand it, said Julie Walstrom, a retired teacher in Perry, Iowa, who is deciding between Buttigieg, former vice president Joe Biden, and Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar. I dont understand what that issue could possibly be, said Doug Gardner, a retired sales worker in Urbandale. In nearly two dozen interviews across Iowa this month, white voters struggled to reconcile their affection for Buttigieg with how black voters see the candidate. Some said it simply didnt matter to them. Many more had been grappling with how to think about the disconnect and Buttigiegs challenges: Some were worried, others frustrated. ... Buttigieg is among the frontrunners in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two mostly white states that play an outsize role in deciding the presidential nomination as the first two states to vote. But his standing is lower nationally. In South Carolina, a key early-voting state because of its large black population, Buttigieg has frequently pulled 0% among black voters. The vast majority of white Iowa voters said theyd heard about Buttigiegs difficulties with voters of color. Many had heard, particularly, of his record in South Bend, where he was criticized for his handling of police relations and housing issues in communities of color. I think its partly because of the incident that happened in South Bend, said Sue Seidenfeld, a retired physician assistant in Waukee who said she was undecided in the race and had come to see Buttigieg in Winterset. She did not specify the incident. I think that maybe that black voters feel like he wasnt as empathetic as he could have been, and as on top of the situation as he should have been, she said. Which is kind of a shame because he has to be impartial, and he has to take some time to see what really the facts were, and I think people are too quick to judge sometimes. She paused and added: But maybe not, you know. There may be something to it. Still, Seidenfeld said, it wasnt an issue that was going to affect her vote either way. She thought Buttigieg was more empathetic to minorities than a lot of people. I also think, for what its worth, that its a shame that people think that Iowa shouldnt be the first [caucus] in the nation. Because after all, we were the first to go for Barack Obama. [Antifar's note: ] Buttigieg has long acknowledged his deficiencies with black voters, though he and his allies attribute it to his newness on the national scene. He has proposed a plan named for the abolitionist Frederick Douglass aimed at addressing institutional racism. Even so, a recent Washington PostIpsos poll measured support for Buttigieg among black voters who were familiar with him at 3% nationally. His aides believe strong finishes in Iowa and New Hampshire, white as they may be, will show Buttigieg is for real and that he can convince Democratic voters of color that hes the best choice to defeat President Donald Trump. Iowa and New Hampshire, by the pure fact of the primacy rule, have an outsize impact, a Buttigieg adviser told BuzzFeed News. Theyre the first demonstrable tests of electability and viability in the primary beyond the polls. To explain their theory another way: Biden propelled by decades in public life and two terms as vice president under the nations first black president is leading the field among black voters; for the moment, he looks unbeatable in South Carolina, where black voters account for most of the Democratic electorate. If Buttigieg can finish better than or on par with Biden in Iowa and New Hampshire, black voters might reconsider their choices before South Carolinas late February primary. Buttigiegs voters, too, often echoed this hopefulness, saying they thought he might win over black voters after a strong finish in Iowa. Rick Smith, a Buttigieg precinct captain from Urbandale, believes Buttigiegs main problem is name recognition. To me its no surprise whatsoever that Biden is leading with people of color, he said, adding that Sens. Cory Booker and Kamala Harris, two black candidates who entered the 2020 race with loads of promise, had trouble gaining traction with black voters before ending their campaigns. I think its a matter of Pete showing those folks that he can win, because they really want a winner, Smith said. I know Iowa is not the most representative state, but winning is winning everywhere. Showing you can win means a lot. Maria Waters, a Des Moines caucusgoer committed to Buttigieg, wrestled with the candidates lack of black support as she waited to hear him speak Sunday night at the State Historical Museum of Iowa. I look around the crowd, and I think, Why are we not winning them? Waters told BuzzFeed News. It is a little discouraging. No matter what, the subject of Buttigieg and black voters almost always made Iowans uneasy. They said they thought race shouldnt matter then corrected themselves to add that they knew it often did. It gives me a little pause, said Justin Stoffa, a strong Buttigieg supporter who worked in youth ministry in Des Moines, of Buttigiegs polling with black voters. But Stoffa said he didnt think candidates should target specific demographics. You should treat everyone as human beings, and dont worry so much about their skin color. Although that plays a role, we cant ignore history and cultural context and the real effect thats played. But ultimately, not to pander, I think thats a thing, he said. Stoffa had read about Black Lives Matter protesters interrupting Buttigiegs events in Los Angeles. I dont know, he said. I dont know how in tune with the African American community at large they are, but I I dont know. I think itll be interesting. Delicately, Stoffa added, I dont know, though, that he has to have the same coalition that Barack Obama did to win the election. A few minutes later, a group of Black Lives Matter protesters from South Bend disrupted Buttigiegs town hall forum </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 01/18/20 11:20:53 AM #2:	Many of them fell for the 37-year-old former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, the first time they heard him speak: his calm demeanor, his intelligence buh? --- "It was some post on the NFL board that got him." -AwesomeToTheMAX <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:933125924] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote><quote>Many of them fell for the 37-year-old former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, the first time they heard him speak: his calm demeanor, his intelligence</quote> buh? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 01/18/20 11:27:39 AM #3:	supporters chants of Boot Edge Edge the phonetic rallying cry for Buttigiegs campaign. LMFAOOOO --- "It was some post on the NFL board that got him." -AwesomeToTheMAX <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:933126151] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote><quote>supporters chants of Boot Edge Edge the phonetic rallying cry for Buttigiegs campaign.</quote> LMFAOOOO </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Choco 01/18/20 11:30:28 AM #6:	may his sexuality have to do with it or am i totally off base --- http://error1355.com/ce/Choco.html Doener macht schoener <cite>Choco posted [p:933126254] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>may his sexuality have to do with it or am i totally off base </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacadamianNut3 01/18/20 11:32:22 AM #7:	https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/23/politics/pete-buttigieg-south-bend-police-department-officer-involved-shootings/index.html https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/henrygomez/mayor-pete-buttigieg-south-bend-gentrification https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/addybaird/mayor-pete-buttigieg-police-shooting-fire Truly baffling why he isn't getting support. Guess it's cause of his sexuality?????? --- Roll Tide & Go Irish <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted [p:933126329] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/23/politics/pete-buttigieg-south-bend-police-department-officer-involved-shootings/index.html https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/henrygomez/mayor-pete-buttigieg-south-bend-gentrification https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/addybaird/mayor-pete-buttigieg-police-shooting-fire Truly baffling why he isn't getting support. Guess it's cause of his sexuality?????? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Purely 01/18/20 11:34:17 AM #8:	Good thing. <cite>Purely posted [p:933126390] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>Good thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Choco 01/18/20 11:34:37 AM #9:	MacadamianNut3 posted... https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/23/politics/pete-buttigieg-south-bend-police-department-officer-involved-shootings/index.html https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/henrygomez/mayor-pete-buttigieg-south-bend-gentrification https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/addybaird/mayor-pete-buttigieg-police-shooting-fire Truly baffling why he isn't getting support. Guess it's cause of his sexuality?????? i was literally just asking a genuine question, not everyone can be an expert on US politics holy fuck --- http://error1355.com/ce/Choco.html Doener macht schoener <cite>Choco posted [p:933126400] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>MacadamianNut3 posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/23/politics/pete-buttigieg-south-bend-police-department-officer-involved-shootings/index.html https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/henrygomez/mayor-pete-buttigieg-south-bend-gentrification https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/addybaird/mayor-pete-buttigieg-police-shooting-fire Truly baffling why he isn't getting support. Guess it's cause of his sexuality??????</quote>i was literally just asking a genuine question, not everyone can be an expert on US politics holy fuck </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacadamianNut3 01/18/20 11:36:35 AM #10:	Bruh I didn't even read your post before I posted that chillax --- Roll Tide & Go Irish <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted [p:933126477] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>Bruh I didn't even read your post before I posted that chillax </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YourDrunkFather 01/18/20 11:38:27 AM #11:	Choco posted... may his sexuality have to do with it or am i totally off base Black America has pretty well documented issues with homophobia but people are gonna be mad you for daring to bring it up. --- One bourbon,one scotch,one beer <cite>YourDrunkFather posted [p:933126557] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>Choco posted... </cite> <quote>may his sexuality have to do with it or am i totally off base</quote> Black America has pretty well documented issues with homophobia but people are gonna be mad you for daring to bring it up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacadamianNut3 01/18/20 11:43:20 AM #12:	YourDrunkFather posted... Black America has pretty well documented issues with homophobia See this is the kind of post my post was addressing Maybe just maybe Pete Butt is just a flip flopping asshole who does a worse job than other politicians at giving lip service to the population and maybe that factors into black people not liking him, going beyond him just liking penis Also I lived in South Bend for 6 years where he was elected at the end of year 2 for me and I know how fucked up the racial situation is there. But yeah, my main gripe is his love of penis I guess --- Roll Tide & Go Irish <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted [p:933126727] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>YourDrunkFather posted... </cite> <quote>Black America has pretty well documented issues with homophobia</quote>See this is the kind of post my post was addressing Maybe just maybe Pete Butt is just a flip flopping asshole who does a worse job than other politicians at giving lip service to the population and maybe that factors into black people not liking him, going beyond him just liking penis Also I lived in South Bend for 6 years where he was elected at the end of year 2 for me and I know how fucked up the racial situation is there. But yeah, my main gripe is his love of penis I guess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 01/18/20 11:45:19 AM #13:	--- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:933126800] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote> --- Clean Butt Crew</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YourDrunkFather 01/18/20 11:47:56 AM #14:	MacadamianNut3 posted... See this is the kind of post my post was addressing Maybe just maybe Pete Butt is just a flip flopping asshole who does a worse job than other politicians at giving lip service to the population and maybe that factors into black people not liking him, going beyond him just liking penis Also I lived in South Bend for 6 years where he was elected at the end of year 2 for me and I know how fucked up the racial situation is there. But yeah, my main gripe is his love of penis I guess Nobody is talking about you specially. Also, no one said there arent other reasons. But youre lying if youre trying to tell us his sexuality helps. --- One bourbon,one scotch,one beer <cite>YourDrunkFather posted [p:933126901] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>MacadamianNut3 posted... </cite> <quote>See this is the kind of post my post was addressing Maybe just maybe Pete Butt is just a flip flopping asshole who does a worse job than other politicians at giving lip service to the population and maybe that factors into black people not liking him, going beyond him just liking penis Also I lived in South Bend for 6 years where he was elected at the end of year 2 for me and I know how fucked up the racial situation is there. But yeah, my main gripe is his love of penis I guess</quote> Nobody is talking about you specially. Also, no one said there arent other reasons. But youre lying if youre trying to tell us his sexuality helps. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 01/18/20 11:48:05 AM #15:	LOL @ trying to pin this on homophobia. No, it's because he's a jackass who drove minorities out of his city with policies of gentrification. It's because he fired the black police chief for no good reason. Pete is the quintessential ivory tower liberal republican-lite that talks a good game but in practice does nothing for the disadvantaged and in fact harms them. --- https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/261-politics/78252375/931554955 https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:933126905] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>LOL @ trying to pin this on homophobia. No, it's because he's a jackass who drove minorities out of his city with policies of gentrification. It's because he fired the black police chief for no good reason. Pete is the quintessential ivory tower liberal republican-lite that talks a good game but in practice does nothing for the disadvantaged and in fact harms them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacadamianNut3 01/18/20 11:51:09 AM #16:	YourDrunkFather posted... Nobody is talking about you specially. Didn't say you were talking about me specifically. I'm asssuming I'm not the only black person on the planet who lived in South Bend, Indiana and/or can do basic research on a candidate. Your comment about "black homophobia" is just the usual lazy excuse for why a scumbag, who happens to be gay, isn't getting support from a certain population. --- Roll Tide & Go Irish <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted [p:933127026] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>YourDrunkFather posted... </cite> <quote>Nobody is talking about you specially.</quote>Didn't say you were talking about me specifically. I'm asssuming I'm not the only black person on the planet who lived in South Bend, Indiana and/or can do basic research on a candidate. Your comment about "black homophobia" is just the usual lazy excuse for why a scumbag, who happens to be gay, isn't getting support from a certain population. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacadamianNut3 01/18/20 11:51:59 AM #17:	1337toothbrush posted... LOL @ trying to pin this on homophobia. No, it's because he's a jackass who drove minorities out of his city with policies of gentrification. It's because he fired the black police chief for no good reason. Pete is the quintessential ivory tower liberal republican-lite that talks a good game but in practice does nothing for the disadvantaged and in fact harms them. Nah man nahhhh If he were a straight guy he wouldn't be getting this criticism! Also https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/05/02/180548388/crunch-the-numbers-on-blacks-views-on-gays --- Roll Tide & Go Irish <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted [p:933127061] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted... </cite> <quote>LOL @ trying to pin this on homophobia. No, it's because he's a jackass who drove minorities out of his city with policies of gentrification. It's because he fired the black police chief for no good reason. Pete is the quintessential ivory tower liberal republican-lite that talks a good game but in practice does nothing for the disadvantaged and in fact harms them.</quote>Nah man nahhhh If he were a straight guy he wouldn't be getting this criticism! Also https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/05/02/180548388/crunch-the-numbers-on-blacks-views-on-gays </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 01/18/20 11:57:55 AM #19:	NPR, how appropriate! Is that the baloney to go with your mayo? --- https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/261-politics/78252375/931554955 https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:933127304] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>NPR, how appropriate! Is that the baloney to go with your mayo?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monolith1676 01/18/20 12:00:21 PM #20:	I have your answer right here. The National Election Pool poll showed that support for Proposition 8 was strong amongst African American voters, interviewed in the exit poll with 70% in favor, more than any other racial group. https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/70-of-african-a.html --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend <cite>Monolith1676 posted [p:933127425] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>I have your answer right here. The National Election Pool poll showed that support for Proposition 8 was strong amongst African American voters, interviewed in the exit poll with 70% in favor, more than any other racial group. https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/70-of-african-a.html </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JBaLLEN66 01/18/20 12:01:34 PM #22:	MacadamianNut3 posted... See this is the kind of post my post was addressing Maybe just maybe Pete Butt is just a flip flopping asshole who does a worse job than other politicians at giving lip service to the population and maybe that factors into black people not liking him, going beyond him just liking penis Also I lived in South Bend for 6 years where he was elected at the end of year 2 for me and I know how fucked up the racial situation is there. But yeah, my main gripe is his love of penis I guess lol --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdR2Iktffaw The day Capitalism was humiliated :) <cite>JBaLLEN66 posted [p:933127486] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>MacadamianNut3 posted... </cite> <quote>See this is the kind of post my post was addressing Maybe just maybe Pete Butt is just a flip flopping asshole who does a worse job than other politicians at giving lip service to the population and maybe that factors into black people not liking him, going beyond him just liking penis Also I lived in South Bend for 6 years where he was elected at the end of year 2 for me and I know how fucked up the racial situation is there. But yeah, my main gripe is his love of penis I guess</quote> lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacadamianNut3 01/18/20 12:07:08 PM #23:	Monolith1676 posted... I have your answer right here. The National Election Pool poll showed that support for Proposition 8 was strong amongst African American voters, interviewed in the exit poll with 70% in favor, more than any other racial group. https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/70-of-african-a.html https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/ Black-support-for-Prop-8-called-exaggeration-3177138.php (2009 article) Nevermind that this was over 10 years ago and there have been notable shifts during and post-Obama. I also like how his main defense in this topic is still his sexuality and not his prior shenanigans and his current policies. Wonder if Buttigieg supporters will still be bewildered if a tactic like this doesn't result in more black support if they try using it. --- Roll Tide & Go Irish <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted [p:933127713] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>Monolith1676 posted... </cite> <quote>I have your answer right here. The National Election Pool poll showed that support for Proposition 8 was strong amongst African American voters, interviewed in the exit poll with 70% in favor, more than any other racial group. https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/70-of-african-a.html</quote>https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/ Black-support-for-Prop-8-called-exaggeration-3177138.php (2009 article) Nevermind that this was over 10 years ago and there have been notable shifts during and post-Obama. I also like how his main defense in this topic is still his sexuality and not his prior shenanigans and his current policies. Wonder if Buttigieg supporters will still be bewildered if a tactic like this doesn't result in more black support if they try using it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 01/18/20 12:08:57 PM #24:	Black people are generally conservative on social issues so they won't back a gay man, is that why? --- My mind is an open book, do you find it entertaining? At least be original in your responses then. "Don't call me a God, call me a Sadist" <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:933127795] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>Black people are generally conservative on social issues so they won't back a gay man, is that why? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerSlaw 01/18/20 12:11:06 PM #25:	Didn't he say being a gay man allowed him to understand the plight of the black man even though he had an upper class upbringing? --- The personal is the political is a totalitarian progressive decree that I reject entirely. <cite>KillerSlaw posted [p:933127875] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>Didn't he say being a gay man allowed him to understand the plight of the black man even though he had an upper class upbringing? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacadamianNut3 01/18/20 12:17:44 PM #26:	KillerSlaw posted... Didn't he say being a gay man allowed him to understand the plight of the black man even though he had an upper class upbringing? Lol I forgot all about that. I don't think the upper class part is key, but more that it's odd to compare racial discrimination to gay discrimination. Both are clearly bad, but it seems weird to claim you can relate to one type of discrimination that is enabled by someone possessing vision better than Mr. Magoo versus digging into someone's personal life and finding out their sexuality --- Roll Tide & Go Irish <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted [p:933128154] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>KillerSlaw posted... </cite> <quote>Didn't he say being a gay man allowed him to understand the plight of the black man even though he had an upper class upbringing?</quote>Lol I forgot all about that. I don't think the upper class part is key, but more that it's odd to compare racial discrimination to gay discrimination. Both are clearly bad, but it seems weird to claim you can relate to one type of discrimination that is enabled by someone possessing vision better than Mr. Magoo versus digging into someone's personal life and finding out their sexuality </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metal_Bomberman 01/18/20 12:51:24 PM #27:	buttigieg was created by MK-Ultra --- I'm Paper_Okami <cite>Metal_Bomberman posted [p:933129520] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>buttigieg was created by MK-Ultra </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerSlaw 01/19/20 6:40:20 AM #28:	Buttigieg is like the epitome of what black people think of when they think of some mediocre white dude failing upwards. It's like they don't even hide the fact they think black people should vote for them just cause they are Democratic. What the hell has Buttigieg even offered in exchange for this kind of support? Also found these pictures and they made me laugh https://imgur.com/gm0gqzm https://imgur.com/SjvLLzB --- The personal is the political is a totalitarian progressive decree that I reject entirely. <cite>KillerSlaw posted [p:933166021] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>Buttigieg is like the epitome of what black people think of when they think of some mediocre white dude failing upwards. It's like they don't even hide the fact they think black people should vote for them just cause they are Democratic. What the hell has Buttigieg even offered in exchange for this kind of support? Also found these pictures and they made me laugh https://imgur.com/gm0gqzm https://imgur.com/SjvLLzB </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wii_Shaker 01/19/20 6:52:44 AM #29:	Hispanics tend to dislike him also. --- "He busted in, blessed be the Lord Who believe any mess they read up on a message board" -MF DOOM <cite>Wii_Shaker posted [p:933166191] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>Hispanics tend to dislike him also. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bover_87 01/19/20 6:54:15 AM #30:	Isn't Pete Butt basically Biden marketed for millennials? --- I...I shall consume. Consume...consume everything. ~ [FFRK] rcr6 - Arbiter's Tome/Forbidden Power/Divine Veil Grimoire <cite>bover_87 posted [p:933166209] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>Isn't Pete Butt basically Biden marketed for millennials? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marthsheretoo 01/19/20 7:03:42 AM #31:	"But I dont believe that, based on the way that he is, that would ever be something he would project, Humphrey said. He wouldnt project that black lives dont matter. To him, all lives matter. --- "Even MarthKoopa has jumped on the MarthKoopa hate wagon." -DevsBro <cite>marthsheretoo posted [p:933166329] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote><quote>"But I dont believe that, based on the way that he is, that would ever be something he would project, Humphrey said. He wouldnt project that black lives dont matter. To him, all lives matter.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KiwiTerraRizing 01/19/20 7:42:26 AM #32:	He has almost no support among young voters either. Old white people who are Democrats but comfortable so they dont want things to change too much love him. --- Trucking Legend Don Schneider https://i.imgtc.com/0EE5xDd.jpg <cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted [p:933166921] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>He has almost no support among young voters either. Old white people who are Democrats but comfortable so they dont want things to change too much love him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Infost 01/19/20 7:49:15 AM #33:	KillerSlaw posted... Didn't he say being a gay man allowed him to understand the plight of the black man even though he had an upper class upbringing? And he didn't come out as gay until after he was mayor. A man is judged for his skin color on day 1. --- Filler sig. <cite>Infost posted [p:933167031] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>KillerSlaw posted...</cite> <quote>Didn't he say being a gay man allowed him to understand the plight of the black man even though he had an upper class upbringing? </quote> And he didn't come out as gay until after he was mayor. A man is judged for his skin color on day 1.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 01/19/20 7:53:20 AM #34:	YourDrunkFather posted... Nobody is talking about you specially. Also, no one said there arent other reasons. But youre lying if youre trying to tell us his sexuality helps. Can we please stop with thw old tired "black people are homphobic, garbage?? One, its a over blown lie, and two, last time i checked, black people arent the ones who made all the anti LBGT laws in the first place nor the ones who vote to keep them. Three, the LBGT Community also has a very long "well documented" history of racism as well --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:933167092] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>YourDrunkFather posted... </cite> <quote>Nobody is talking about you specially. Also, no one said there arent other reasons. But youre lying if youre trying to tell us his sexuality helps.</quote>Can we please stop with thw old tired "black people are homphobic, garbage?? One, its a over blown lie, and two, last time i checked, black people arent the ones who made all the anti LBGT laws in the first place nor the ones who vote to keep them. Three, the LBGT Community also has a very long "well documented" history of racism as well </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerSlaw 01/19/20 8:33:13 AM #35:	So as long as I don't personally pass discriminatory laws, I can't be discriminatory? The more ya know. --- The personal is the political is a totalitarian progressive decree that I reject entirely. <cite>KillerSlaw posted [p:933167805] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>So as long as I don't personally pass discriminatory laws, I can't be discriminatory? The more ya know. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NonDairyMiltank 01/19/20 9:04:39 AM #36:	StealthRock posted... Can we please stop with thw old tired "black people are homphobic, garbage?? One, its a over blown lie uh no its not definitely not a myth in the US im black and gay myself and conservatism as far as the church only plays PART of why there's so much disgust towards homosexuality in our communities plenty of black parents don't want no gay kids because we're considered weak offspring by default since we ain't straight its hard enough to raise straight kids in underprivileged black households, so lotta black parents think having gay kids is crazy hard mode... and in some places they wouldn't be wrong about it being harder to raise and protect us in black communities with high rates of violence because a ton of black folk are openly bigoted towards a bunch of us who don't fit the heteronormative status quo im talkin straight up assault in the streets to send a message that us being gay, bi, whatever makes us freaks and somethin that shames our mamas LGBTQ actually gotta HIGHER chances of being a victim in poor black communities, which is why a bunch of us get the fuck outta there first chance we get it would be a lie to say all black folk are inherently homophobic and casually belligerent towards gay folk but it's also a lie to say there hasn't been a noticeable amount of black folk for decades openly bigoted towards homosexuals just fuckin ask gay black LGBTQ folk who had to grow up around that shit ask how many of us fought to move away on our own because of it Buttigieg ain't gettin black votes because he hasn't done anything serious to get our trust he just looks like another privileged white dude playin politics even tho hes gay with a privileged partner to boot but at the same time, he damn well not gettin any votes from black folk who straight up don't approve of gays and thats not a small number even today... --- Moo. #Listen&Investigate <cite>NonDairyMiltank posted [p:933168446] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted... </cite> <quote>Can we please stop with thw old tired "black people are homphobic, garbage?? One, its a over blown lie</quote>uh no its not definitely not a myth in the US im black and gay myself and conservatism as far as the church only plays PART of why there's so much disgust towards homosexuality in our communities plenty of black parents don't want no gay kids because we're considered weak offspring by default since we ain't straight its hard enough to raise straight kids in underprivileged black households, so lotta black parents think having gay kids is crazy hard mode... and in some places they wouldn't be wrong about it being harder to raise and protect us in black communities with high rates of violence because a ton of black folk are openly bigoted towards a bunch of us who don't fit the heteronormative status quo im talkin straight up assault in the streets to send a message that us being gay, bi, whatever makes us freaks and somethin that shames our mamas LGBTQ actually gotta HIGHER chances of being a victim in poor black communities, which is why a bunch of us get the fuck outta there first chance we get it would be a lie to say all black folk are inherently homophobic and casually belligerent towards gay folk but it's also a lie to say there hasn't been a noticeable amount of black folk for decades openly bigoted towards homosexuals just fuckin ask gay black LGBTQ folk who had to grow up around that shit ask how many of us fought to move away on our own because of it Buttigieg ain't gettin black votes because he hasn't done anything serious to get our trust he just looks like another privileged white dude playin politics even tho hes gay with a privileged partner to boot but at the same time, he damn well not gettin any votes from black folk who straight up don't approve of gays and thats not a small number even today... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 01/19/20 9:05:54 AM #37:	Antifar posted... I dont understand it, said Julie Walstrom, a retired teacher in Perry, Iowa, who is deciding between Buttigieg, former vice president Joe Biden, and Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar. This part got me --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:933168485] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>I dont understand it, said Julie Walstrom, a retired teacher in Perry, Iowa, who is deciding between Buttigieg, former vice president Joe Biden, and Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar.</quote>This part got me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 01/19/20 9:14:10 AM #38:	NonDairyMiltank posted... Buttigieg ain't gettin black votes because he hasn't done anything serious to get our trust he just looks like another privileged white dude playin politics even tho hes gay with a privileged partner to boot This is basically it. I'm sure he genuinely cares but his privilege has immunized him to the daily struggles of dealing with racism and has shown he just doesn't really understand how bad some problems are or why some things are problems in the first place. There's a big difference between someone wanting to fight racism and someone you can trust to actually do a good job of it. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:933168651] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>NonDairyMiltank posted... </cite> <quote>Buttigieg ain't gettin black votes because he hasn't done anything serious to get our trust he just looks like another privileged white dude playin politics even tho hes gay with a privileged partner to boot</quote> This is basically it. I'm sure he genuinely cares but his privilege has immunized him to the daily struggles of dealing with racism and has shown he just doesn't really understand how bad some problems are or why some things are problems in the first place. There's a big difference between someone wanting to fight racism and someone you can trust to actually do a good job of it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 01/19/20 9:18:36 AM #39:	1337toothbrush posted... No, it's because he's a jackass who drove minorities out of his city with policies of gentrification. Please stop with the "gentrification is racist" narrative. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:933168738] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted... </cite> <quote>No, it's because he's a jackass who drove minorities out of his city with policies of gentrification.</quote>Please stop with the "gentrification is racist" narrative. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 01/19/20 9:29:48 AM #40:	This is tangential, but I didn't want to make a whole topic out of it https://twitter.com/Ad_Inifinitum/status/1218613220094640135 --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:933168986] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>This is tangential, but I didn't want to make a whole topic out of it https://twitter.com/Ad_Inifinitum/status/1218613220094640135 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 01/19/20 9:34:20 AM #41:	You can see in focus groups in South Carolina that his sexuality is meaningful along some older black voters. The only reason it's notable is because most white people who have issues with homosexuality vote in the other primary. --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:933169090] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>You can see in focus groups in South Carolina that his sexuality is meaningful along some older black voters. The only reason it's notable is because most white people who have issues with homosexuality vote in the other primary. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 01/19/20 9:40:42 AM #42:	NonDairyMiltank posted... uh no its not definitely not a myth in the US im black and gay myself and conservatism as far as the church only plays PART of why there's so much disgust towards homosexuality in our communities plenty of black parents don't want no gay kids because we're considered weak offspring by default since we ain't straight its hard enough to raise straight kids in underprivileged black households, so lotta black parents think having gay kids is crazy hard mode... and in some places they wouldn't be wrong about it being harder to raise and protect us in black communities with high rates of violence because a ton of black folk are openly bigoted towards a bunch of us who don't fit the heteronormative status quo im talkin straight up assault in the streets to send a message that us being gay, bi, whatever makes us freaks and somethin that shames our mamas LGBTQ actually gotta HIGHER chances of being a victim in poor black communities, which is why a bunch of us get the fuck outta there first chance we get it would be a lie to say all black folk are inherently homophobic and casually belligerent towards gay folk but it's also a lie to say there hasn't been a noticeable amount of black folk for decades openly bigoted towards homosexuals just fuckin ask gay black LGBTQ folk who had to grow up around that shit ask how many of us fought to move away on our own because of it Buttigieg ain't gettin black votes because he hasn't done anything serious to get our trust he just looks like another privileged white dude playin politics even tho hes gay with a privileged partner to boot but at the same time, he damn well not gettin any votes from black folk who straight up don't approve of gays and thats not a small number even today... Ok, anecdotes. Also, doesnt explain the whole "black folks didnt make the anti gay laws" thing. Thats all white america. If you are gonna talk about blatant homophobia, why not talk about the people who literally made gay existence in this country illegal? Did black people do that?? No. --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:933169265] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>NonDairyMiltank posted... </cite> <quote>uh no its not definitely not a myth in the US im black and gay myself and conservatism as far as the church only plays PART of why there's so much disgust towards homosexuality in our communities plenty of black parents don't want no gay kids because we're considered weak offspring by default since we ain't straight its hard enough to raise straight kids in underprivileged black households, so lotta black parents think having gay kids is crazy hard mode... and in some places they wouldn't be wrong about it being harder to raise and protect us in black communities with high rates of violence because a ton of black folk are openly bigoted towards a bunch of us who don't fit the heteronormative status quo im talkin straight up assault in the streets to send a message that us being gay, bi, whatever makes us freaks and somethin that shames our mamas LGBTQ actually gotta HIGHER chances of being a victim in poor black communities, which is why a bunch of us get the fuck outta there first chance we get it would be a lie to say all black folk are inherently homophobic and casually belligerent towards gay folk but it's also a lie to say there hasn't been a noticeable amount of black folk for decades openly bigoted towards homosexuals just fuckin ask gay black LGBTQ folk who had to grow up around that shit ask how many of us fought to move away on our own because of it Buttigieg ain't gettin black votes because he hasn't done anything serious to get our trust he just looks like another privileged white dude playin politics even tho hes gay with a privileged partner to boot but at the same time, he damn well not gettin any votes from black folk who straight up don't approve of gays and thats not a small number even today...</quote>Ok, anecdotes. Also, doesnt explain the whole "black folks didnt make the anti gay laws" thing. Thats all white america. If you are gonna talk about blatant homophobia, why not talk about the people who literally made gay existence in this country illegal? Did black people do that?? No. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 01/19/20 9:43:40 AM #43:	StealthRock posted... Ok, anecdotes. I said overblown. I never said that there arent blsck homophobes. But the myth that a large part of black people have raging hate boners for gay people is a lie. Please, go to any black church snd you will find gay black people heavily involved. Also, doesnt explain the whole "black folks didnt make the anti gay laws" thing. Thats all white america. If you are gonna talk about blatant homophobia, why not talk about the people who literally made gay existence in this country illegal? Did black people do that?? No. --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:933169340] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted... </cite> <quote>Ok, anecdotes. I said overblown. I never said that there arent blsck homophobes. But the myth that a large part of black people have raging hate boners for gay people is a lie. Please, go to any black church snd you will find gay black people heavily involved. Also, doesnt explain the whole "black folks didnt make the anti gay laws" thing. Thats all white america. If you are gonna talk about blatant homophobia, why not talk about the people who literally made gay existence in this country illegal? Did black people do that?? No.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kitt 01/19/20 9:47:26 AM #44:	Why did you feel the need to quote your last post without adding anything? Forgot to switch to your alt? --- Yeah! You Go, Boy! https://imgur.com/pmc9XsI https://imgur.com/p6Wfowq <cite>Kitt posted [p:933169432] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>Why did you feel the need to quote your last post without adding anything? Forgot to switch to your alt?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 01/19/20 9:47:38 AM #45:	StealthRock posted... why not talk about the people who literally made gay existence in this country illegal? Did black people do that?? No. Clarence Thomas voted against Obergefell v Hodges but thanks for asking. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:933169436] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted... </cite> <quote>why not talk about the people who literally made gay existence in this country illegal? Did black people do that?? No.</quote>Clarence Thomas voted against Obergefell v Hodges but thanks for asking. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacadamianNut3 01/19/20 9:51:40 AM #46:	That was a 5-4 vote I still don't get this black homophobia boogeyman as if it doesn't align nicely with the rest of the assbackwards people of any race --- Roll Tide & Go Irish <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted [p:933169542] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>That was a 5-4 vote I still don't get this black homophobia boogeyman as if it doesn't align nicely with the rest of the assbackwards people of any race </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 01/19/20 9:58:47 AM #48:	It's not like there was an Oscar winning movie about homophobia in Black communities or anything. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:933169755] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>It's not like there was an Oscar winning movie about homophobia in Black communities or anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 01/19/20 9:59:31 AM #49:	Intro2Logic posted... This is tangential, but I didn't want to make a whole topic out of it https://twitter.com/Ad_Inifinitum/status/1218613220094640135 I don't like this one bit --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:933169774] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote>This is tangential, but I didn't want to make a whole topic out of it https://twitter.com/Ad_Inifinitum/status/1218613220094640135 </quote> I don't like this one bit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 01/19/20 10:01:27 AM #50:	StealthRock posted... Ok, anecdotes. Also, doesnt explain the whole "black folks didnt make the anti gay laws" thing. Thats all white america. If you are gonna talk about blatant homophobia, why not talk about the people who literally made gay existence in this country illegal? Did black people do that?? No. I'm not sure how it's relevant? The issue isn't whether white people are more homophobic than black people (overall racial stances on lgbtq issues are pretty close together) because less than half of white electorate is going to vote in the primary Fwiw, I don't think you can attribute his low numbers to either his sexuality or his policies in South bend, though --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:933169822] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted... </cite> <quote>Ok, anecdotes. Also, doesnt explain the whole "black folks didnt make the anti gay laws" thing. Thats all white america. If you are gonna talk about blatant homophobia, why not talk about the people who literally made gay existence in this country illegal? Did black people do that?? No.</quote> I'm not sure how it's relevant? The issue isn't whether white people are more homophobic than black people (overall racial stances on lgbtq issues are pretty close together) because less than half of white electorate is going to vote in the primary Fwiw, I don't think you can attribute his low numbers to either his sexuality or his policies in South bend, though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacadamianNut3 01/19/20 10:06:57 AM #51:	Tyranthraxus posted... It's not like there was an Oscar winning movie about homophobia in Black communities or anything. You seem to like these one off examples huh First there's one black Supreme Court justice who voted against same-sex marriage in a 5-4 vote and he's representative of black people (added convenience of ignoring his reputation), now there's an Oscar winning movie about homophobia in black communities just like there have been Oscar winning movies about homophobia in other communities since the 70s Is this shitposting or are you actually trying at making a point --- Roll Tide & Go Irish <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted [p:933169967] in Buttigieg ... [t:78341441]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>It's not like there was an Oscar winning movie about homophobia in Black communities or anything.</quote>You seem to like these one off examples huh First there's one black Supreme Court justice who voted against same-sex marriage in a 5-4 vote and he's representative of black people (added convenience of ignoring his reputation), now there's an Oscar winning movie about homophobia in black communities just like there have been Oscar winning movies about homophobia in other communities since the 70s Is this shitposting or are you actually trying at making a point </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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