Current Events > Cd Projekt Red is crunching the fuck outta its employees

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https://twitter.com/ElineMuijres/status/1218081796165898241?s=20

Developers should have unions for shit like this. They call it "a culture of hard work" when it's just abuse

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It's become apparently clear that at this point there isn't a studio where the employees ARENT asked to work extra long hours towards the end of the project. This has been going on for decades and even happens at indie studios too.

The point is, vast majority of gamers dont give a shit how a video game is made and the amount of time employees dedicate to it. They just want that shit to work day 1 and dont want paid DLC at launch.

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It comes with the territory.

Google hq had sofas all over the place and mini kitchens.

Why?

Because they want you to work late.

All the big software guys wanna be making games or working at a place like google. It is competitive.

When all the people with cs degrees want to work at your company, and many really want to break into the game industry, you can ask for more from them.

Do they get paid hourly or salaried?

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It takes a lot of sacrifice and sweat to be the good guys of the industry...

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Hasn't this been a known thing they specifically do for awhile now?

Along with essentially just being how basically all studios run in the end.

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Asking being the important word. They can say no. Overtime is voluntary.

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Shadow20201 posted...

Asking being the important word. They can say no. Overtime is voluntary.

They can say no and they will be fired

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Shadow20201 posted...

Asking being the important word. They can say no. Overtime is voluntary.

Imagine believing this lmao

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Middle hope posted...

Do they get paid hourly or salaried?

Hourly, but you're not allowed to clock any extra hours worked.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

They can say no and they will be fired

Talented developers with experience in their fields specifically related to the game that they trying to push out faster are dime-a-dozen apparently.

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i work as a software engineer and on some projects i worked on, we were asked to do extra hours to wrap some things up. and usually you get compensated for it.

dunno if that's the case with the devs at CD Projekt Red but either way, this isnt new territory to me...

Nobody cares about how the sausage is made

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It's actually pretty funny to consider that gamers hate EA and are pretty mixed on Ubisoft, but by all accounts both companies are amazing to work for and then everyone loves CDPR and R* but they both have been exposed for treating their employees like garbage.
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John_Galt posted...

Nobody cares about how the sausage is made

speak for yourself yo. i like to know what i put in my body... lol

M_Live posted...

I don't get why game dev studios seemingly intentionally do this shit to their employees. Why not just set realistic timeframes for a game to be made?

Honestly happens to project based industries all the time. I can tell you in structural engineering being at a "top tier" firm will often mean 60-80 weeks around deadlines. Of course, straight time overtime is the standard there so there's compensation I don't believe happens at game's studios. There's other things at play to, like how the first forty hours worked typically cost a company 3x as much as any straight overtime hours so budget is saved by overworking employees.

In the end great project managers are hard to come by.

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Bio1590 posted...

It's actually pretty funny to consider that gamers hate EA and are pretty mixed on Ubisoft, but by all accounts both companies are amazing to work for and then everyone loves CDPR and R* but they both have been exposed for treating their employees like garbage.

Sadly a lot of the more beloved developers are utter garbage to work for and run by shitty people. They just keep the shitiness internal and away from the games themselves.

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Shadow20201 posted...

Asking being the important word. They can say no. Overtime is voluntary.

And then get blacklisted within the industry.

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Jiggy101011 posted...

And then get blacklisted within the industry.

Fearmongering. Works well for the employers.

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High Definition graphics were a mistake.

You never heard about this shit with PS2 games.

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Jiggy101011 posted...

It's become apparently clear that at this point there isn't a studio where the employees ARENT asked to work extra long hours towards the end of the project. This has been going on for decades and even happens at indie studios too.

The point is, vast majority of gamers dont give a shit how a video game is made and the amount of time employees dedicate to it. They just want that shit to work day 1 and dont want paid DLC at launch.

What does any of that have to do with the fact that that's wrong and they need a union?

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who gives a fuck if Gamers get mad take a couple more years
bunch of entitled pricks
look at how the treat Sakurai who has lost sleep to the detriment of his health

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Metal_Bomberman posted...

who gives a fuck if Gamers get mad take a couple more years
bunch of entitled pricks
look at how the treat Sakurai who has lost sleep to the detriment of his health

It's about making money, not making games happy. Take a couple more years and that's years of costs and no income from the project.

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that's some clickbaity twitter shit.

from the actual article:

"We try to limit crunch as much as possible, but it is the final stage."

During a Q&A session, CD Projekt Red was asked if the development team would need to "crunch" to finish Cyberpunk 2077. Adam Kicinski, who is CD Projekt Red's joint CEO, confirmed that he expects the team to need to work long hours to finish the game, though he said there is a plan in place to attempt to lessen the periods of crunch.

"To some degree, yes--to be honest," Kicinski said. "We try to limit crunch as much as possible, but it is the final stage. We try to be reasonable in this regard, but yes. Unfortunately."

twitter thot(and TC btw) makes it sound like they're working under slave conditions

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dave_is_slick posted...

What does any of that have to do with the fact that that's wrong and they need a union?

Game developers absolutely do need a union. As someone who participates and shapes arguments for collective bargaining agreements, I can tell you that the employers will negotiate crunch-time (overtime) into arguments regardless. The trade off would be for the developers to negotiate for. Whether it's increased pay, job security clauses, or scheduling agreements.

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KillerSlaw posted...

High Definition graphics were a mistake.

You never heard about this shit with PS2 games.

LOL this happened during the PS2 era too. Twitter and social media just didnt exist.

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tri sapphire posted...

Hourly, but you're not allowed to clock any extra hours worked.

Sounds illegal

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AsucaHayashi posted...

that's some clickbaity twitter shit.

from the actual article:

twitter thot(and TC btw) makes it sound like they're working under slave conditions

They're being crunched. There's nothing deceiving about my or her message. I wouldn't expect someone who was so quick to call her a twitter thot to understand that this company is abusing its employees

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it's clickbaity as fuck, making it sound like they're slaving their developers away until they're dust or some shit.

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AsucaHayashi posted...

twitter thot(and TC btw) makes it sound like they're working under slave conditions

she's a woman better call her a THOT

gamer logic

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A "crunch" should be optional and highly incentivized. People will volunteer to work longer shifts and do not need to be forced. And if people don't volunteer, then reevaluate your release window.
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This game was way too overhyped. I knew it would disappoint.

Evol posted...

This game was way too overhyped. I knew it would disappoint.

lol what

nobody has even played it yet

small indie company pls understand

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As someone who works in the entertainment development field, it comes with the territory. Hopefully they're hourly.

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Middle hope posted...

Sounds illegal

They're paid out per pay period at OT rates. Time and a half or Double time. And still optional.

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Blue_Inigo posted... They're being crunched.

=/=

Cd Projekt Red is crunching the fuck outta its employees

so yes, the degree to which you claim they're being crunched is vastly overstated and therefore deceiving.

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M_Live posted...

I don't get why game dev studios seemingly intentionally do this shit to their employees. Why not just set realistic timeframes for a game to be made?

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Freddie_Mercury posted...

small indie company pls understand

If you're a small indie company you have crunch, you just dont talk about it on Twitter because all 5 of you are going through it together. Hello Games were working 15+ hour days to get NMS ready for release, then on day 1 gamers were sending them death threats.

Seriously the gaming industry sounds like a fucking nightmare to work in. Work your ass off on a passion project for years, hardly see your family during the last 4-6 months before release, then hope to god there arent too many bugs on release and gamers like your product so that you get to keep your job and work on the next thing.

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Developer: We are asking employees to work extra-long hours.
TC: They are CRUNCHING THE FUCK outta the employees!

Seems a bit exaggerated.

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Gonna boycott dah game dhen?

Lol

AsucaHayashi posted...

=/=

so yes, the degree to which you claim they're being crunched is vastly overstated and therefore deceiving.

How are they not crunching the fuck outta their employees? It's going to be happening from now until release. A delay just meant more man hours for the employees to endlessly drown in

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tri sapphire posted...

Hourly, but you're not allowed to clock any extra hours worked.

Source?

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DarthAragorn posted...

lol what

nobody has even played it yet

So what? Several people I follow on Twitter and I "canceled" the game last year when we found out it wasn't third person like we were led to believe. We're very disappointed.

Several people are incredibly disappointed because they were ready to play in April and the game was pushed back 6 months. That's a very long delay. Plus, it may be pushed back again considering how things are going. Won't be surprised.

Etc.

No doubt, there will be many more disappointments surrounding this game considering how massively overhyped it's been for years. It won't live up to the hype.

Blue_Inigo posted...

How are they not crunching the fuck outta their employees? It's going to be happening from now until release. A delay just meant more man hours for the employees to endlessly drown in

let me get something TC, did you read what this woman said and decided to take the stance that CD Projekt is working the shit out of their employees until they're gone or some shit and decided to pull shit out of your ass to follow the clickbaity tweet with a clickbaity topic, or are you actually not pretending

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Gee, you'd think producing a huge, highly detailed, immersive world with lots of story, customization, and other features was a lot of work.

Not defending crunch, but to those that don't like it, maybe quit bitching about companies instead of us that seem to demand every game we play be bigger, better, and endlessly polished because that's what makes a lot of the extra work exist.

Show me someone with work burnout, and I'll show you someone that was just tyring to make their customers, co-workers, or employees happy by giving them what they want.

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lightwarrior78 posted...

Gee, you'd think producing a huge, highly detailed, immersive world with lots of story, customization, and other features was a lot of work.

Not defending crunch, but to those that don't like it, maybe quit bitching about companies instead of us that seem to demand every game we play be bigger, better, and endlessly polished because that's what makes a lot of the extra work exist.

Show me someone with work burnout, and I'll show you someone that was just tyring to make their customers, co-workers, or employees happy by giving them what they want.

Crunch happens because companies commit to unrealistic release dates so they can sell pre-orders tbh

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