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StealthRock
01/12/20 3:46:04 PM
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Which is how much economic value you bring to the market

Your "education" or you "rights" have little to do with it

Want to make more than minimum wage? Then increase your value. Do a service that people find value in and improves their lives so much that they will pay you for it.

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Omnislasher
01/12/20 3:46:34 PM
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close your account
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gunplagirl
01/12/20 3:47:05 PM
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Person named after the single most hated mechanic in Pokemon history with a garbage hot take?

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Darmik
01/12/20 3:47:05 PM
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Hope you don't mind people going on strike for better pay then.
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gunplagirl
01/12/20 3:47:27 PM
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Darmik posted...
Hope you don't mind people going on strike for better pay then.

@Darmik STP ^5

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StealthRock
01/12/20 4:31:02 PM
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Darmik posted...
Hope you don't mind people going on strike for better pay then.
Nope. I dont at all

Nurses in my town went on strike this past summer and I supported them 100%. It was unfair how the hospital forced them to work over time and didnt compensate for it properly

However, through striking, many of them lost jobs because the hospital simply replaced them. Nursing is a skilled practice and even we can get replaced.

Value is something that is very difficult to replace and thus determines your economic value and how much you get paid

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Vicious_Dios
01/12/20 4:32:19 PM
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Agreed, TC.

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StealthRock
01/12/20 4:32:59 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Person named after the single most hated mechanic in Pokemon history with a garbage hot take?
Can you tell me how im wrong?

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cmiller4642
01/12/20 4:33:26 PM
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Ok Boomer
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StealthRock
01/13/20 4:29:02 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
i have TC tagged as "bootstraps"
I would rather be in control of my destiny than rely on the government to help me

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Evening_Dragon
01/13/20 4:33:16 PM
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StealthRock posted...
I would rather be in control of my destiny than rely on the government to help me

Strap those boots, homeboy.

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Antifar
01/13/20 4:35:40 PM
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StealthRock posted...
I would rather be in control of my destiny than rely on the government to help me

The market does not exist in a vacuum, it is something governments help establish and create the rules for. You said in post 6 that you support workers striking for better conditions, but it is only because of government intervention (in this case the National Labor Relations Act of 1935) that workers can unionize and go on strike without just being fired en masse.

The way things are now isn't some natural order, and it doesn't have to be the way things are forever.
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foreverzero212
01/13/20 4:35:40 PM
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Omnislasher posted...
close your account


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malenz
01/13/20 4:38:35 PM
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What you get paid is because corporations have more money than they know what to do with. But even though you are a negligible difference, they'll still fire you to slightly increase their profit margin.
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Balrog0
01/13/20 4:39:55 PM
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I work in a nonprofit and dont bring any value at all

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Musourenka
01/13/20 4:43:24 PM
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StealthRock posted...
Which is how much economic value you bring to the market

Wrong. It's how much your employer can get away with paying you, which is rarely decided by "economic value brought to the market".

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StealthRock
01/13/20 7:08:07 PM
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Antifar posted...
The market does not exist in a vacuum, it is something governments help establish and create the rules for. You said in post 6 that you support workers striking for better conditions, but it is only because of government intervention (in this case the National Labor Relations Act of 1935) that workers can unionize and go on strike without just being fired en masse.

The way things are now isn't some natural order, and it doesn't have to be the way things are forever.
Key word is "help" though. A system in which a governement is the soul provider of these things a socialism. And that doesnt work.

I would say in a capitalist society, there are winners anf losers. Seems natural to me. Thats the way nature works

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StealthRock
01/13/20 7:08:48 PM
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Musourenka posted...
Wrong. It's how much your employer can get away with paying you, which is rarely decided by "economic value brought to the market".
Wrong.


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Evening_Dragon
01/13/20 7:13:20 PM
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StealthRock posted...
Key word is "help" though. A system in which a governement is the soul provider of these things a socialism. And that doesnt work.

I would say in a capitalist society, there are winners anf losers. Seems natural to me. Thats the way nature works

Appeal to nature. Very basic fallacy.

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Manocheese
01/13/20 7:24:04 PM
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StealthRock posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Person named after the single most hated mechanic in Pokemon history with a garbage hot take?
Can you tell me how im wrong?

No, he can't. That's why he's resorting to insults, as leftists so often do.
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Middle hope
01/13/20 7:26:10 PM
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You're telling me that people with no experience that are fresh off the street shouldn't make as much as a senior manager?

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Musourenka
01/13/20 8:39:13 PM
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StealthRock posted...
Wrong.
You're still wrong.

The economic value of employees has gone up much more than the wages of employees, which have remained static when adjusted for inflarion.

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MrMallard
01/13/20 8:42:58 PM
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Maybe you should do a service that people find value in and improves their lives, by which I mean

Omnislasher posted...
close your account


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Questionmarktarius
01/13/20 8:45:33 PM
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StealthRock posted...
I would say in a capitalist society, there are winners anf losers. Seems natural to me. Thats the way nature works
There shouldn't even be losers in capitalism. Just winners and, uh, win-more-ers.
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StealthRock
01/14/20 2:04:32 PM
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Evening_Dragon posted...
Appeal to nature. Very basic fallacy.
I have yet to see a valid argumeny against what i said. Only insults and strawmen

Also fallicies

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StealthRock
01/14/20 2:04:59 PM
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Middle hope posted...
You're telling me that people with no experience that are fresh off the street shouldn't make as much as a senior manager?
I know, crazy right??

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StealthRock
01/14/20 2:07:50 PM
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Musourenka posted...
You're still wrong.

The economic value of employees has gone up much more than the wages of employees, which have remained static when adjusted for inflarion.
So youre saying that for example Mcdonalds employees are making the company more money than ever before and yet they dont make any more money?

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Musourenka
01/14/20 4:41:20 PM
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StealthRock posted...
So youre saying that for example Mcdonalds employees are making the company more money than ever before and yet they dont make any more money?

Correct. Adjusted for inflation I should specify.


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