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PIITB415
01/05/20 6:05:20 PM
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Assuming China and Russia do not get involved

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scorpion41
01/05/20 6:06:07 PM
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Easily.

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Heineken14
01/05/20 6:06:51 PM
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Depends on your definitions of "beat" and "war."
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glitteringfairy
01/05/20 6:07:14 PM
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PIITB415 posted...
Assuming China and Russia do not get involved
They won't I promise

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Unsugarized_Foo
01/05/20 6:07:44 PM
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No, something something Allah helps a lot

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theAteam
01/05/20 6:08:06 PM
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Militarily it would not be close, however there would definitely be more American causalities than say Iraq.

Occupation would be way worse than Iraq. Iran has a really nationalistic population and military that will fight a lot harder than Iraq ever did.

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dameon_reaper
01/05/20 6:08:34 PM
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My dad can beat up your dad
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PrettyBoyFloyd
01/05/20 6:08:59 PM
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Not without pissing others off.

But are they willing to risk their own destruction for Iran?

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Keith_Valentine
01/05/20 6:11:43 PM
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We'd kick the shit out of them.
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PIITB415
01/05/20 6:15:29 PM
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CloneTheHero posted...
wrong. its be very costly


Keith_Valentine posted...
We'd kick the shit out of them.

Which one is it,?

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dameon_reaper
01/05/20 6:16:38 PM
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PIITB415 posted...
Which one is it,?

That's two different people with two different opinions lol.
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JBaLLEN66
01/05/20 6:25:45 PM
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Beat yes, invade and maintain control, hell no hence why we havent even attempted to do so yet.

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Hexenherz
01/05/20 6:26:18 PM
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I mean, the US military is objectively unmatched by most military forces in the world, and that includes Iran.

Whether or not it would end up like another Afghanistan/Iraq situation is another matter, though.

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MaverickXeo
01/05/20 6:27:21 PM
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If all the forces were lined up and fought? Yes.

As it is right now - probably not, at least not easily.

It is NOT as simple as going and killing everyone. Look at Vietnam for example. Vietnam was a TINY military... and they won against the US.

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Abiz_
01/05/20 6:27:32 PM
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Let's be honest. We would mostly just bomb the fuck out of them.
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KillerKhan420
01/05/20 6:28:22 PM
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Their military would get absolutely destroyed. America has been at war now for what? 20 years? They've done mountain fighting, fighting in cities. I don't think the objective of it would be to occupy Iran though, they'd just blow it to hell and stop.

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Hexenherz
01/05/20 6:29:56 PM
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MaverickXeo posted...
If all the forces were lined up and fought? Yes.

As it is right now - probably not, at least not easily.

It is NOT as simple as going and killing everyone. Look at Vietnam for example. Vietnam was a TINY military... and they won against the US.
OP mentioned no foreign support to Iran, though; China and the USSR were keeping their side going in Vietnam.

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UnfairRepresent
01/05/20 6:30:05 PM
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Heineken14 posted...
Depends on your definitions of "beat" and "war."

This

The answer is no in practical terms

it you mean "if everyone stood in a line and shot each other " the US would win but thats not war
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Cheater87
01/05/20 6:30:10 PM
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Nah, we still can't beat the Taliban or Al Quida.

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Orthopox12
01/05/20 6:31:14 PM
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Yeah but a lot of people would die. It wouldn't be a complete cake walk. And all the people saying we would win just by bombing them should remember Vietnamese farmers endured the heaviest sustained bombing in human history and kept fighting.

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Umbreon
01/05/20 6:32:27 PM
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"Beat" them, sure.

But it wouldn't be much of a victory considering all the potential long term damage.

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PrettyBoyFloyd
01/05/20 6:32:48 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
OP mentioned no foreign support to Iran, though; China and the USSR were keeping their side going in Vietnam.

And how the Soviets lost Afghanistan when we got involved.

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Umbreon
01/05/20 6:34:02 PM
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You can also tell the "Just bomb them lol" don't actually see the Iranians as people. There's a whole lot of people who wanted none of this.

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UnfairRepresent
01/05/20 6:35:03 PM
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Umbreon posted...
You can also tell the "Just bomb them lol" don't actually see the Iranians as people. There's a whole lot of people who wanted none of this.

I think anyone who says "just bomb them" has no real grasp of human history, let alone who ever "them" is
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burns112233
01/05/20 6:35:04 PM
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They strap bombs to themselves and aren't afraid to die. So beat, yes, but no one will win once nukes are launched. We'll all be dead.
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MachineJaipur
01/05/20 6:36:24 PM
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America wouldn't go in without a solid plan of how to win and without the ability to commit the necessary resources to ensure a victory.

It just depends on the end goal of fighting them.

Go to war, kick ass, and make them run back home with their tail between their legs/knock them down a few pegs? It'd be done p easily.

Go to war, kick ass, and then try to supplant their government with an American friendly one like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan? lol we'll be there til the 2100s
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UnfairRepresent
01/05/20 6:37:49 PM
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MachineJaipur posted...
America wouldn't go in without a solid plan of how to win and without the ability to commit the necessary resources to ensure a victory.

Yeah just like in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan ...

What the fuck?

Not having an endgame is like America's greatest export
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Hexenherz
01/05/20 6:38:25 PM
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MachineJaipur posted...
America wouldn't go in without a solid plan of how to win and without the ability to commit the necessary resources to ensure a victory.

It just depends on the end goal of fighting them.

Go to war, kick ass, and make them run back home with their tail between their legs/knock them down a few pegs? It'd be done p easily.

Go to war, kick ass, and then try to supplant their government with an American friendly one like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan? lol we'll be there til the 2100s

Were you born after 2000?

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MaverickXeo
01/05/20 6:41:25 PM
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Gladius_ posted...
This. It'll be costly from a financial point of view but in terms of military might? We can "Easily" beat them but the question proposed is complicated. Truthfully no one really "wins" in war and we have to define the parameters of "victory." in terms of conflict superiority? They don't match us in any category.

Iran does not match the US military - but the US military also is stretched out. How much of Iran's military is stationed out of the country/region?

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UnfairRepresent
01/05/20 6:42:53 PM
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Gladius_ posted...
This. It'll be costly from a financial point of view but in terms of military might? We can "Easily" beat them

We really really can't

Iran has a legit military, geography on their side and complete control of supply lines as well as a generally unified population

There would be nothing "easy" about invading them. It would be a long , costly, expensive slog full of casualties

I swear people act like Iran is like North Sentinel Island or something, you cant just roll up and take it over
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REMercsChamp
01/05/20 6:43:47 PM
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Easily. It's not the question. The question is can the US beat them while:

  • Minimizing civilian casualties
  • Refrain from using most powerful and destructive weapons that could wipe the country off the map within 30 minutes
  • Meet its obligation to world community
  • Continue showing great restraint and compassion



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s0nicfan
01/05/20 6:44:01 PM
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The US military can basically end any nation without even really trying. The issue is doing so without violating any internationally recognized rules of engagement against an enemy that won't hold themselves to the same standards. That's more or less always been the problem.

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UnfairRepresent
01/05/20 6:44:48 PM
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REMercsChamp posted...
Continue showing great restraint and compassion

Are you real?
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Guide
01/05/20 6:47:00 PM
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"Easily" and "with great cost" are not mutually exclusive. We would definitely win, but we would also lose a lot of lives.

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MachineJaipur
01/05/20 6:47:38 PM
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PrideOfLion posted...
Yeah, people don't grasp the size, economy, and population of Iran
While true, it's also hard to grasp the size and capabilities of the US Armed Forces.

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UnfairRepresent
01/05/20 6:48:18 PM
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Guide posted...
"Easily" and "with great cost" are not mutually exclusive. We would definitely win, but we would also lose a lot of lives.

Lives, money, resources and time to terrify our population and piss the world off for no gain

That doesn't sound easy or like winning . it sounds like losing very slowly
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UnfairRepresent
01/05/20 6:50:07 PM
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MachineJaipur posted...

While true, it's also hard to grasp the size and capabilities of the US Armed Forces.


The US military being strong doesn't alter basic facts

Great tactics, better tanks and jets and guns wont stop taking over Iran being a long and pointless expensive slog full of death
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Guide
01/05/20 6:50:26 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Lives, money, resources and time to terrify our population and piss the world off for no gain

That doesn't sound easy or like winning . it sounds like losing very slowly

The question was winning a war with Iran, though I agree with you. This is a terrible idea.

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UnfairRepresent
01/05/20 6:52:27 PM
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Guide posted...


The question was winning a war with Iran, though I agree with you. This is a terrible idea.

Yeah and what you said doesn't sound like winning, let alone winning easily.

I don't see how the US can "win" against Iran other than the "if they lined up and shot each other" hypothetical

We can only lose . Trump himself used to preach this
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Colorahdo
01/05/20 6:53:05 PM
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Didn't Iran and Iraq fight a war for a few years?

We defeated the Iraqi military in two weeks

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UnfairRepresent
01/05/20 6:58:30 PM
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Colorahdo posted...
Didn't Iran and Iraq fight a war for a few years?

We defeated the Iraqi military in two weeks

Iran is not Iraq

Iran has a decent military, 80 million people, mountain regions, actual strategy and control of supply lines

We can't even simply roll an army up to Iran like we did Iraq

Meanwhile we failed to keep control of Iraq
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Abiz_
01/05/20 7:12:09 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Meanwhile we failed to keep control of Iraq
Of course, we did. People bitched and moaned get us out of there and so Obama ran on it. Moved majority of our Soldiers out after the sunk cost of life happened. If we stayed in kept being the mediators between the groups. Iraq would be better off. Isis wouldn't of took off like it did. This is the peoples fault. You can't throw money at a problem like this. You have stabilize a area with presence. We really need to stop these wars. They aren't helping anyone but the rich and the American people keep voting in these warmongers.
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UnfairRepresent
01/05/20 7:13:51 PM
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Abiz_ posted...
Of course, we did. People bitched and moaned get us out of there and so Obama ran on it. Moved majority of our Soldiers out after the sunk cost of life happened. If we stayed in kept being the mediators between the groups. Iraq would be better off. Isis wouldn't of took off like it did

This is one of the legit worst takes I've seen on Iraq

We failed because we didn't interfere MORE? O_o

Right...
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