Current Events > "If theres no money for universal healthcare, how do we pay for war"?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Also, "I thought Hillary was the warhawk"? "Are all smart mouthed conservative snowflakes of-age, finally going to enlist"?
"Distractions!".

This is the conversation at work work right now.


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Thanks Obama.

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ZEROWOLF posted...

This is the conversation at work work right now.

Only among remarkably stupid people.

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I stay the hell away from politics at work. Because I actuslly have to see those people again.

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war pays for itself

at least that is what people said during the Bush years

darkphoenix181 posted...

war pays for itself

at least that is what people said during the Bush years

The US hasn't had a profitable wartime economy in at least 30 years, more likely closer to 50.

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vigorm0rtis posted...

The US hasn't had a profitable wartime economy in at least 30 years, more likely closer to 50.

I thought Cheyney wanted all that oil?

Why wasn't that profitable?

For many on the right: Blowing up brown people > helping fellow Americans.

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The most recent estimate I could find for the war on terror was 6 trillion.

Universal healthcare is estimated to cost around 27.4 trillion.


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Why are you at work at 3 am

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Lol. One guy just said: "My son ain't getting drafted, I'm gonna tell him to say he's trans since Trump said trans people cant serve in the military".

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metallica846 posted...

I heard universal healthcare was 100 trillion but I also don't have a source.

https://www.crfb.org/blogs/how-much-will-medicare-all-cost

This article cites a number of different estimations from varying sources.

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darkphoenix181 posted...

I thought Cheyney wanted all that oil?

Why wasn't that profitable?

it was profitable for Cheney, but not profitable for the nation.

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Please, Warhawk Hillary would habe started 5 wars by now.
And Trump is creating American jobs, building all those missiles demands hardworking American blood.

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Id rather pay for healthcare than wars, and im conservative. Hasnt research shown that the quality of care goes down, however, and people have to wait longer?

I dont like the system we have now because its so expensive but we also have the best hospitals in the world. I dont know how we would go about making it more affordable to see a doctor, it didnt used to be like this. But if you are poor, medicaid already helps millions of people. But if you get some serious illness and have no health insurance you are in trouble. I dont know enough about it to say what should be fixed.

Im not sure what your point is, TC.

Like those are all quirky one liners and not the actual discussions behind them. They're like tl;dr of the actual discussions for people without an interest in having the discussion.

That said, how are they wrong tl;dr versions?
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That's pretty dope, TC. You're lucky to be somewhere that's not filled with conservawhackos

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Remember when Mike Moore tried to shit on Americas healthcare in the doc Sicko and pointed out how great Cuba was? Lol, and now their healthcare system is collapsing. That self loathing fat fuck.

Keith_Valentine posted...

Id rather pay for healthcare than wars, and im conservative. Hasnt research shown that the quality of care goes down, however, and people have to wait longer?

I dont like the system we have now because its so expensive but we also have the best hospitals in the world. I dont know how we would go about making it more affordable to see a doctor, it didnt used to be like this. But if you are poor, medicaid already helps millions of people. But if you get some serious illness and have no health insurance you are in trouble. I dont know enough about it to say what should be fixed.

The data shows the quality of care the US receives is not in keeping with how much it spends by a fairly large margin.

The way the industry is structured much of the things like "comparison shopping" that factor into what makes capitalism work can't come into play when there are medical emergencies. Plus companies can price gouge things like insulin and people really have no recourse.

If we stuck to more conservative capitalist ideals somebody else could just come in and sell better insulin at a cheaper price.

10 years ago a 55 inch LED Samsung HDTV cost $3,020 now a 55 inch LED Samsung 4K HDTV costs $350

10 years ago a vile of insulin cost about $93 now it costs $290, and this is the exact same product.

This is not how capitalism is supposed to work. I don't care how many times fox news tells somebody "but america has the best doctors/hospitals" that 1. doesn't make it true, and 2. completely ignores the horrible anti-capitalist anti-american anti-human price gouging that is going on.

I don't know how many people have to die of not being able to afford something whose patent was sold for 1 dollar in 1923 (because the inventors wanted all people to have access to it) for some people to wake up to see just how horrible and in desperate need of change our medical system needs to be.

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joe40001 posted...

The data shows the quality of care the US receives is not in keeping with how much it spends by a fairly large margin.

The way the industry is structured much of the things like "comparison shopping" that factor into what makes capitalism work can't come into play when there are medical emergencies. Plus companies can price gouge things like insulin and people really have no recourse.

If we stuck to more conservative capitalist ideals somebody else could just come in and sell better insulin at a cheaper price.

10 years ago a 55 inch LED Samsung HDTV cost $3,020 now a 55 inch LED Samsung 4K HDTV costs $350

10 years ago a vile of insulin cost about $93 now it costs $290, and this is the exact same product.

This is not how capitalism is supposed to work. I don't care how many times fox news tells somebody "but america has the best doctors/hospitals" that 1. doesn't make it true, and 2. completely ignores the horrible anti-capitalist anti-american anti-human price gouging that is going on.

I don't know how many people have to die of not being able to afford something whose patent was sold for 1 dollar in 1923 (because the inventors wanted all people to have access to it) for some people to wake up to see just how horrible and in desperate need of change our medical system needs to be.

For the politicians, it depends on whether the dead people would've voted for them or not.

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joe40001 posted...

This is not how capitalism is supposed to work.

There's no "way" in which capitalism is supposed to work though, that's just brainwashing. Saying that is like saying "this isn't how the weather is supposed to work" when it gets cold.

Free market capitalism isn't really a system, it's just letting things fall where they will. This is the only outcome that will EVER happen with this type of commodity sans regulation -- people can't live without it, and the price reflects that.

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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

There's no "way" in which capitalism is supposed to work though, that's just brainwashing. Saying that is like saying "this isn't how the weather is supposed to work" when it gets cold.

Free market capitalism isn't really a system, it's just letting things fall where they will. This is the only outcome that will EVER happen with this type of commodity sans regulation -- people can't live without it, and the price reflects that.

My point was that even for people who have a more ideal version of the free market and how it should work, it isn't what's going on in healthcare.

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