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Spoilees for the last jedi

What happened at the end? Everyone can be a jedi and Rey isn't special?

Maybe a baby yoda mini series will explore a galaxy full of force users?

The kid was Force sensitive. That never meant anyone can be a jedi. Fucking christ

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shockthemonkey posted...

Your inability to not be condescending is almost impressive

People have been hugely misinterpreting a very simple scene for two years. Its not my job to coddle them

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RebelElite791 posted...

People have been hugely misinterpreting a very simple scene for two years. Its not my job to coddle them

Well what would be the point of showing a random kid that's force sensitive if they never show him again?

Purely posted...

Well what would be the point of showing a random kid that's force sensitive if they never show him again?

To show that they still exist in the galaxy?

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Foppe posted...

To show that they still exist in the galaxy?

This. That the Force will never die. Pretty simple lol.

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RebelElite791 posted...

The kid was Force sensitive. That never meant anyone can be a jedi. Fucking christ

I mean, not to say it means 'anybody can be a jedi with a lil elbow grease! ', but I think it's pretty obviously suggesting that being force sensitive isn't limited to a handful of bloodlines and/or that anybody in theory could be so, even the most 'low born' in the galaxy.

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I think youre mixing up two different messages

one is the Jedi dont own the force, and the other is the Ratatouillie mantra: not anyone can be a great artist, but great art can come from anywhere. (But we already know that. Besides being the Chosen One, Anakin was an example of the Jedis short-sightedness, being pretty strict with their criteria for who could be trained)

one of the few things I liked about TLJ was calling out the Jedi for being a bunch of stodgy old fogies. Shame we never got to actually see Luke teaching young Jedi. Fuck JJ and his regressive world building lol

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NinjaBreakfast posted...

I mean, not to say it means 'anybody can be a jedi with a lil elbow grease! ', but I think it's pretty obviously suggesting that being force sensitive isn't limited to a handful of bloodlines and/or that anybody in theory could be so, even the most 'low born' in the galaxy.

Well, yes, obviously. But a lot of people, presumably TC included, seem to think it means Force sensitivity doesnt exist anymore, anyone can use the Force

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I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't mean his post quite that literally but tbf that may have been giving him too much credit

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@RebelElite791 posted...

Well, yes, obviously. But a lot of people, presumably TC included, seem to think it means Force sensitivity doesnt exist anymore, anyone can use the Force

You are mistaken if you think the message was, "force sensitive people still exist".

No one ever thought they didn't. Such a message is nonsensical. Instead it was, Rey was a nobody. Look, this other guy is also a nobody and is using the force. Not, "oh you thought force sensitives died? Look here is one."
Infact, the main point is the kid has no Jedi training and is using the force quite well. He isn't simply sensitive.

https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-comics-anyone-use-force/

However, Marvel's Star Wars comics continue to suggest anyone could be a potential Force user, which adds an exciting twist to the franchise. After all, Luke Skywalker's first lesson to Rey was that the Force was in everyone and everything, and that the Jedi were wrong in trying to hoard it for themselves.

The first evidence comes from 2018's Star Wars: Poe Dameron #26, with a scene set right after the ending of The Last Jedi. The three protagonists exchange tales, and Poe relates a miraculous result of a battle that Rey observes makes the experience sound a lot like the Force at work.

Poe is quick to dismiss it, saying he doesnt think he has the Force. Leia interrupts the conversation with her own explanation of the concept, saying, Of course you have the Force, Poe. We all do. Its lifes music, the song we make.

Club said Rian Johnson's depiction of the Force in The Last Jedi goes "beyond George Lucas' original transcendental concept". Polygon said Johnson's film "democratize[s] the Force", depicting Force sensitivity in characters from outside a "Force-sensitive lineage" and suggesting that the Force can be used by anyone.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Force#Critical_response

Ironically Rebel seems to think not anyone can be a Jedi, it is an exclusive elite thing.

Yet as quote above Luke says:
Luke Skywalker's first lesson to Rey was that the Force was in everyone and everything, and that the Jedi were wrong in trying to hoard it for themselves.

Literally the opposite of what Rebel tries to contend.

Also more proof

Contains comics spoilers.

Luke trained with a non-Jedi who was just an average person:
Luke is further startled when she's revealed not to be a Jedi; she views the Order as trouble, and she educates him on the Force as something everyone can harness. As they hide out in the planet's caves, she warns him the Force is a dangerous tool, which basically alludes to the corruption of the Dark Side. However, Luke can't believe an "average" person is doing what Warba does

https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-luke-skywalker-mentor-last-jedi-twist/

Keyword

Everyone can harness

RebelElite791 posted...

People have been hugely misinterpreting a very simple scene for two years. Its not my job to coddle them

Its not like hes saying this because you did that just this one time bro lol

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So basically the assement of professional writers as below was correct.
And it is proven by the comics as given in proof as above.

Even without them, anyone who knows english understood the context when luke says the jedi should have shared it and all that alongside Rey being presented as a nobody and all that.

Shame part of that got retconned.

https://www.tor.com/2017/12/20/thanks-to-the-last-jedi-we-finally-know-what-the-force-awakens-means/

The Last Jedis final frames are not concerned with anyone of note in their galaxy. Hes a poor, enslaved child on Canto Bight who is now sporting Roses resistance ring. He reaches for a broom to sweep up, and the broom flies to his hand from a distancehe has the Force. He stares off into the night sky, much like Luke Skywalker stared into a Tatooine sunset decades before. He sees a shooting star. In effect, the end of Episode VIII wants its audience to acknowledge a shift in the galaxy: the Force is changing. When the new tide rises, perhaps no one will be barred from it.

This sense that the Force belongs to everyone now! has resonated with fans for good reason. Though there was never anything stopping sentient beings in the Star Wars galaxy from being Force-sensitive, there were many structures in place that prevented people from learning about that sensitivity and using it. Prior to Order 66, if you wanted to know about the Force, you had to be given to the Jedi Order by your parents in infancy. There werent many other avenues open to those whose parents made a different choice for them, who had the abilities but none of the knowledge. You could become a Sith apprentice, or maybe you were lucky enough to be born on a rare planet possessing a large Force-wielding population like Dathomir, but that was pretty much it.

Btw, did you not catch Han Solo using the force?

https://www.cracked.com/blog/12-times-han-solo-used-force-without-knowing-it/

Basically the term force sensitive is not a correct term. There are people stronger in the force and weaker in it.
But all can use it, is now the current lore.
And this is canon.

Perhaps someone weaker can be trained to be greater but that remains to be seen. But the specialness is to be dissolved.

Yea. The ending was pretty clear, most people easily understood it.

Gladius_ posted...

This was evident in the prequels. During the prequels there were 10,000 jedi spread across various species. This doesn't mean anyone can "Use the force" with training.

Except Luke says basically that and he has a reason to say it.

Literally canon proof:
https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-luke-skywalker-mentor-last-jedi-twist/

darkphoenix181 posted...

Btw, did you not catch Han Solo using the force?

https://www.cracked.com/blog/12-times-han-solo-used-force-without-knowing-it/

Basically the term force sensitive is not a correct term. There are people stronger in the force and weaker in it.
But all can use it, is now the current lore.
And this is canon.

Perhaps someone weaker can be trained to be greater but that remains to be seen. But the specialness is to be dissolved.

How have I never seen this before lmao

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darkphoenix181 posted...

Except Luke says basically that and he has a reason to say it.

Literally canon proof:
https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-luke-skywalker-mentor-last-jedi-twist/

I don't really see anything that suggests she isn't Force sensitive. Of course the Force is in everybody, but some people are strong with the Force. That is essentially synonymous with Force sensitive. Maybe everybody can learn to be in touch with the Force in some capacity, but it is clear that some people are more talented at it than others, just like any skill in real life. I'm sure if everybody trained in the Force, there would be plenty of poor to mediocre Force users out there.

And since no Jedi are allowed to have children, all Jedi come from random families. The fact that anybody can be a powerful Force user has been baked into the universe for a long time. Obi-Wan himself was presumably taken from a random family as a small child, as are all Jedi depicted in the Order. Anakin and his family are basically the only Jedi where bloodline actually matters.

Edit: The short of it is that "anyone could be a Jedi" has always been true, and "everyone can be a Jedi" is still not true in the same way that "everyone can be a professional athlete" is not true in real life.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Your inability to not be condescending is almost impressive

The fact people are still surprised Rebel acts like he does is even more impressive tbh. He is probably one of the worst posters here, far beyond the shitty trolls. He just has an actual vile attitude towards almost everything.

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Gladius_ posted...

Everyone" can theoretically harness it because "Everyone" is connected to it. That does not mean "Everyone" can be on the level of a Jedi Knight. This is also one character's opinion, not word of god, on the force. Characters themselves can be misinformed, not be 100% correct, or slightly off in their views. This is one character's in universe view of the force.

Actually it is a few things more than you give it credit for.

1. It is a regular person Luke deems average besting him at the force despite him being basically cut from a force God
2. It is this character proving their words with their observable feats saying everyone can use the force.
3. It is the reiterated by an older Luke who has seen lots more things trying to explaon Rey's at the time, normal lineage despite massive force powers
4. And the word of God blesses it as the director cuts to one of these averahe people just to get this point across.

But of you want to be in denial, pretend like Rian wanted to tell is what we literallu know and seen on 8 movies before at that point.
Yes, we really needed the director to be like "force sensitivity still exist guys!"

But that would be ignorant to do and ignoring all the signs and messages. Tje comics. Guys like rots spoilers Finn learning to use the force.

but maybe you don't mean not anyone can be a jedi but rather not anyone can be a jedi master. That I would agree with.

In fact, I thought Rey having nobody's as parents was a great reveal because it reinforced already existing lore, and it was probably one of the best decisions made in the movie. She was just a random Force sensitive, as almost all Jedi like heroes are in the greater Star Wars universe.

But of course, they got rid of that by making her a Palpatine and a "dyad in the Force" so whatever lol.

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https://www.bustle.com/articles/199731-can-non-jedis-use-the-force-rogue-one-introduces-new-ways-to-wield-the-power

On the official Star Wars site, Chirrut is described as "deeply spiritual" and a "warrior monk." A strong believer in the Force, which he treats almost like a religion, Chirrut has a peace that guides him, not unlike the Force. That said, his official character bio also explicitly states that "he lacks Force abilities." But that could mean that he just isn't strong enough, or connected enough, to use things like the Force Push in battle, not that he can't use the Force at all.

darkphoenix181 posted...

https://www.bustle.com/articles/199731-can-non-jedis-use-the-force-rogue-one-introduces-new-ways-to-wield-the-power

On the official Star Wars site, Chirrut is described as "deeply spiritual" and a "warrior monk." A strong believer in the Force, which he treats almost like a religion, Chirrut has a peace that guides him, not unlike the Force. That said, his official character bio also explicitly states that "he lacks Force abilities." But that could mean that he just isn't strong enough, or connected enough, to use things like the Force Push in battle, not that he can't use the Force at all.

I don't think anybody ITT has said anything that contradicts this character, unless you're interpreting Force sensitive as an on/off thing and not something akin to "naturally intelligent/ athletic."

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