Current Events > Annoyed how Disney promotes The Rise of Skywalker as the conclusion of Star Wars

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Nah. They threw out the creator's vision then disregarded the Expanded Universe but still reused plot elements except worse.

Dragon Ball GT is more canon.

Sorry to tell you this, but Disney owns Star Wars. This is the canon going forward. It's also not the conclusion of Star Wars, but the conclusion of the Skywalker Saga. There's a difference.

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Do you think they'll do another trilogy after this?

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Wii_Shaker posted...

Do you think they'll do another trilogy after this?

I'd like to see something that takes place well before Episode I, kind of like that Bioware game

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Thunder_Armor posted...

I'd like to see something that takes place well before Episode I, kind of like that Bioware game

Yes. Or even before that. My dream is movies set like 10,000 or more years ago. When the Force was discovered and the first Force Users appeared, before there was even Jedi or Sith. Maybe show the founding of the Jedi Order. In the old EU I think they are even older than the founding of the Republic

In fact.....here is an idea for 9 movies

Trilogy about the founding of the Jedi Order

Trilogy about the war that ignites when the Dark Side of the Force is discovered and some rebel against the Jedi and then the founding of the Sith Order

Trilogy about the founding of the Republic

They didn't say the conclusion of the entire franchise.

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Wii_Shaker posted...

Do you think they'll do another trilogy after this?

Nope. Sure it made money but compared to other Star Wars films, it's a pretty big disappointment.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Sorry to tell you this, but Disney owns Star Wars. This is the canon going forward. It's also not the conclusion of Star Wars, but the conclusion of the Skywalker Saga. There's a difference.

...and the same company that owns Dragon Ball put out the GT series, yet the fans disregard it.

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dave_is_slick posted...

Sure it made money but compared to other Star Wars films, it's a pretty big disappointment.

Even adjusting for inflation, The Force Awakens is second only to the long run of the original Star Wars. The Last Jedi is 5th when adjusting for inflation. This trilogy has made a ton of money, even compared to a lot of other Star Wars movies.

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LiqiudusSnake posted...

...and the same company that owns Dragon Ball put out the GT series, yet the fans disregard it.

Because Toriyama claimed it as non-canon, and the fans take his word for it. If George Lucas was still involved with Star Wars, deemed the Disney trilogy non-canon and made his own, it'd be the same issue.

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LiqiudusSnake posted...

...and the same company that owns Dragon Ball put out the GT series, yet the fans disregard it.

They disregard it because Toriyama said it's a "side story," and he still has ownership of Dragon Ball in meaningful ways. Toriyama didn't sell it, he passed it along. He still has input. George Lucas outright sold Star Wars; his input is no longer relevant.

Notice how Dragon Ball Super was still mostly made by Toei, but Toriyama did an outline, so it's considered to be mostly canonical.

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The George Lucas era is canon. The Disney era is an alternate universe.

This could have been averted if Disney stuck with George Lucas' sequel trilogy to finish his final vision. Then Disney could have went on to make a spin off trilogy with Rey, Finn, Poe, Kylo Ren etc.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

George Lucas' sequel trilogy

Yeah, I'm sure we were all sitting on the edge of our seat thinking about "evil dark side bacteria"

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Honestly, it being "the conclusion" doesn't bug me because it's bad. It bugs me because it adds nothing interesting or new to the story. I was really hoping TFA would have just passed the torch onto the new characters and leave the old guard to their own devices.

It's the same kind of redundant storytelling you see in stuff like the Zelda franchise. It added stuff like Fi and Demise, that can be presented as this grand origin to franchise concepts, but doesn't actually enrich the mythology in any way. >_>

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Yeah, I'm sure we were all sitting on the edge of our seat thinking about "evil dark side bacteria"

PT gave us the Clone Wars Era with the Old Republic existing prior to Episode I and the Empire existing after Episode III.

OT gave us the Rebellion Era with the Dark Times existing prior to Episode IV and the New Republic existing after Episode VI

ST gave us the first order era? With the Palpatine corrupting Ben Solo to kill off Luke's Jedi Order and amassing a huge army that can challenge the new republic prior to Episode VII... And then the Newer Republic(?) existing after Episode IX.

Basically at the end of TRoS the galaxy is at a very similar point as the end of RotJ. Which is dumb because not only do we miss out on entirely different era George Lucas wanted to create, but future generations will be forced to accept this as canon and eventually be happy to due to nostalgia.

Would have definitely taken universe building Whills and multiple Skywalker grandchildren over Disney.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

we miss out on entirely different era George Lucas wanted to create

Different doesn't mean better. George Lucas doesn't mean good.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Different doesn't mean better. George Lucas doesn't mean good.

Different means lore building. George Lucas means canon.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Different means lore building. George Lucas means canon.

No, different means different. George Lucas means George Lucas.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Different doesn't mean better. George Lucas doesn't mean good.

George Lucas had a decade since the conclusion of the Prequels to spiral even deeper into the depths of his fantastic insanity.

He could have given us "The Room: In Space" and the normies in Hollywood stole that from us. :P

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

No, different means different. George Lucas means George Lucas.

And what does Disney's Sequel Trilogy mean

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

And what does Disney's Sequel Trilogy mean

To me, they're great movies that I love and will watch for the rest of my life.

The prequels are pretty good movies that I like and will watch less often, but are still life-long.

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I hope they bring back Lucas for stuff so he can stink up the place all over again. It would be way funnier than all the boring bitching about the current generic Star Wars films

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

To me, they're great movies that I love and will watch for the rest of my life.

The prequels are pretty good movies that I like and will watch less often, but are still life-long.

It's one thing to accept and enjoy the Sequel Trilogy, however, you present yourself as someone who can't see or refuses to acknowledge the damage done to the lore and series as a whole.

I like TLJ and TRoS.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

damage done to the lore and series as a whole

It hasn't done damage. What has it damaged?

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Star wars has always been a cash grab

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BakonBitz posted...

They didn't say the conclusion of the entire franchise.

This. They never advertised it as the conclusion of Star Wars. Just the conclusion of the main 9 movies.
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Its fine, cuz KOTOR is canon now.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

It hasn't done damage. What has it damaged?

Aside from George Lucas' story not being completed and the Expanded Universe thrown out for worse versions of the EU plot lines and also post #15:

• Vader's lack of presence in the concluding trilogy
• Not beginning the ST from the natural starting point RotJ left with Leia's new republic and Luke's Jedi Order.
• Rey Palpatine reveal implying strong connections with the force can be genetically inherited even if you're not a Skywalker
• Hyperspace shenanigans

Oh. You're an Expanded Universe guy. That explains a lot.

You can have it. The books still exist. I don't care for them, in general.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Oh. You're an Expanded Universe guy. That explains a lot.

You can have it. The books still exist. I don't care for them, in general.

So far I have read one star wars novel, only watched clone wars (2003), and have seen the christmas special recently out of curiosity. I've played a game or two.

I bring up the EU out of respect to the hundreds of stories created throughout the decades. George Lucas respected them enough to make some plot elements canon where he see fit. He would take the EU into account when writing. Palpatine, Dathomir, etc came from the books.

Disney disregarded the EU as potential adaptations, but still ended up using a lot of the same plot elements.

Zikten posted...

Yes. Or even before that. My dream is movies set like 10,000 or more years ago. When the Force was discovered and the first Force Users appeared, before there was even Jedi or Sith. Maybe show the founding of the Jedi Order. In the old EU I think they are even older than the founding of the Republic

In fact.....here is an idea for 9 movies

Trilogy about the founding of the Jedi Order

Trilogy about the war that ignites when the Dark Side of the Force is discovered and some rebel against the Jedi and then the founding of the Sith Order

Trilogy about the founding of the Republic

Ngl this sounds dope, I'd love to watch something in this vein
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I bring up the EU out of respect to the hundreds of stories created throughout the decades

90% of them were awful. The 10% of the stories that had value got reworked into the current trilogy, minus the extremely dumb shit like Chewie getting a moon dropped on his face for no reason.

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EIiza posted...

How many of them did you read?

Probably ten or fifteen books, total, from different periods. The Thrawn trilogy was garbage, but the Yuuzhan Vong shite was awful.

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At the end of the day, the Disney trilogy really hasn't accomplished anything except killing the main OT trio. It's really quite disappointing.
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I wish it had focused on Poe and Finn and slowly reintroduced big force themes over the course of two trilogies.

Finn should have been the force sensitive that got the build up, not Rey.


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Kitt posted...

This. They never advertised it as the conclusion of Star Wars. Just the conclusion of the main 9 movies.

Which is also bs marketing.

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I'm kinda thinking we don't need trilogies any more (if we ever did).

Why not just have single movies that tell a complete story?

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CyricZ posted...

I'm kinda thinking we don't need trilogies any more (if we ever did).

Why not just have single movies that tell a complete story?

This is another thought I had recently. 'announcing' trilogies almost feels extremely cynical to boot

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Yeah, like the only reason we keep having trilogies is because "that's what Star Wars does".

It's one of those "comfy" elements of Star Wars that I feel should be done away with.

TROS proved to me there are a lot of comfy elements that should be done away with in the future.

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EIiza posted...

why did you keep reading them if they were consistently awful?

Different subject matter, different authors, word of mouth suggestions... lots of reasons. I kept thinking that the next one would be better.

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Thunder_Armor posted...

I'd like to see something that takes place well before Episode I, kind of like that Bioware game

They better stay far away from kotor lol

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NinjaBreakfast posted...

This is another thought I had recently. 'announcing' trilogies almost feels extremely cynical to boot

the OT and the PT actually did it fairly well. Their first movie told a story that could, for all intents and purposes, stand completely on its own, but also left enough of its setting unexplored for further installments.

the sequels in contrast, I think, started with TFA, which was just a bunch of plot hooks without any investment into the setting.

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Return of the Jedi was a way bigger fuck up than...well, the first two movies in the sequel trilogy, but people accept that one just fine. They're even going to bat for the prequels these days. They'll get over it and move on, or they won't and they'll forever be the butt of jokes.

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Return of the Jedi had its issues, but one of its forty storylines is the best thing to ever happen in the Star Wars franchise, so its still great.
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The extended universe was always ignored by canon sources like the movies and clone wars TV show. That stuff was canon only until actual canon contradicted it. All Disney did was officially made it "legends."

During the Prequel trilogy and the Clone Wars TV show you had EU fans whining and complaining about how Lucas and the others were ignoring or contradicting their beloved extended universe. It never mattered.

People are making a big deal over nothing.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Different subject matter, different authors, word of mouth suggestions... lots of reasons. I kept thinking that the next one would be better.

Why did you say "oh you're an expanded universe guy" when you fit the bill more than most people? What did you think that explained about me?

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Why did you say "oh you're an expanded universe guy" when you fit the bill more than most people? What did you think that explained about me?

I don't fit the bill at all. I didn't like any of it. Meanwhile, you dropped those nuggets about Luke being a Jedi master training new recruits, and Leia being a major figure in the new republic, which are things the EU featured prominently.

Luke had a temple and something happened to it. He wasn't ready to be a true master. He thought he was, due to his own deeds, but he was imperfect and it caused a lot of pain. We came in near the end of his story, not the middle.

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