Current Events > The Star Wars prequels are actually movies not expensive fan fiction.

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Doom_Art posted...

The great sin of the ST (specifically TFA) is not going into detail as to what an ineffective disaster the New Republic is

The books have and by the time of TFA numerous systems have defected to the FO.

Several influential senators in the NR are covert members, there's rampant corruption and organized crime, the NR has no standing military, and "appeasement" seems to be the main policy of the current Supreme Chancellor

Honestly, from the sounds of it, this should have been the damn trilogy. It's got actual world-building and is even thematically relevant to current events. >_>

BlackJackCat posted...

but it could just be general friendship too I guess.

Doesn't he outright ask if she has a boyfriend? >_>

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Revenge of the Sith is top tier Star Wars that improves every OT movie

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AlisLandale posted...

Doesn't he outright ask if she has a boyfriend? >_>

At this point I'm going with the flow because I'm not interesting in actually opening that can of worms up to reconfirm what I'm probably trying to white noise with alcoholic inward rage.

But I seem to recall something like that now that you mention it. Plus Han was pretty much asking if he was trying to get into Rey's guts and suggested he tell her he wasn't really an actual member of the resistance.

dave_is_slick posted...

He was falling to the dark side the entire movie.

He was only tempted because Palps sold him on the whole save his wife thing. Anakin still turned Palpatine into the Jedi, but only stopped Samuel because "he needed to save his wife." The very same wife he ends up killing because she wasnt in the original trilogy. \_()_/

He only becomes Vader in a split second decision because the plot required it and Lucas ran out of time. Had Anakin become Vader sooner in the film and not just kill little kids it wouldn't be such a farce.


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XXmiznatorXX posted...

Finn in TFA: I shouldnt run away from things I care about and fight for what I believe in and stop being a coward

Finn in TLJ: I gotta run away cause Im a coward and leave as soon as I wake up (proceeds to have the same exact arc he already had in TFA)

If youre going to complain, at least use examples that make sense, because youre straight up wrong about that lol. Finn is one of the only characters in TLJ that makes realistic decisions.

In TFA Finn is never portrayed as a brave hero. His first actions are to run away from the First Order, then he literally spends the rest of the movie begging Rey to not go back to Jakku nor to join the Resistance, and even takes up an offer to get transported to the Outer Rim and away from the action. The only reason he fights with the Resistance at the end, is to rescue Rey, because all he cared about was his friendship with her.

In TLJ him trying to run away from the Resistance in order to save Rey, is in character for an abundance of reasons. His cowardice was shown ever since the first movie.

But sure, lets act like TFA showed him as a bold hero that never tried to run away from the action.

If anything, the only time it doesnt make sense is in TROS, however time has past and hes already been in the shit with the Resistance and on several missions for them so by then hes grown into the hero he was supposed to be.

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boxington posted...

what makes the ST "fan fiction"?

George Lucas didn't write it

Which is funny, since three of the four films George Lucas actually wrote are awful lol.

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2SweetforTurtle posted...

If youre going to complain, at least use examples that make sense, because youre straight up wrong about that lol. Finn is one of the only characters in TLJ that makes realistic decisions.

In TFA Finn is never portrayed as a brave hero. His first actions are to run away from the First Order, then he literally spends the rest of the movie begging Rey to not go back to Jakku nor to join the Resistance, and even takes up an offer to get transported to the Outer Rim and away from the action. The only reason he fights with the Resistance at the end, is to rescue Rey, because all he cared about was his friendship with her.

In TLJ him trying to run away from the Resistance in order to save Rey, is in character for an abundance of reasons. His cowardice was shown ever since the first movie.

But sure, lets act like TFA showed him as a bold hero that never tried to run away from the action.

If anything, the only time it doesnt make sense is in TROS, however time has past and hes already been in the shit with the Resistance and on several missions for them so by then hes grown into the hero he was supposed to be.

What? LOL literally the first action he takes in TFA is the bravest decision he ever made. It was something we never have seen before. A stormtrooper who defects and leaves because hes morally against it all.

Then, suddenly midway through TFA, hes a coward and tries to suddenly leave. Then It takes 2 movies for a guy who defected from being a Stormtrooper to not be a coward? Even though he did one of the ballsiest things in the first few moments of TFA? Just shows movies like this should have a plan and not written by a corporate committee.

Furthermore, he wasted much of TLJ on dumb pointless side quests. And when hes FINALLY ready to actually make another brave choice and sacrifice himself (tho he already did this at the end of TFA), Rose stops him.

Finally in TROS, his only real arc is trying to tell Rey something but never says what it is.

If they wanna show an arc, fine, but they gave him virtually the same arc in two movies with little payoff. Its a trilogy and in 2 of the movies, he has the same arc.

When it comes to Anakin's backstory the first two movies of the prequel really aren't worth their weight, since you could probably take the important parts to the overall story and splice them all together and have a much smaller arc.

Basically TPM is only good for brief scenes of exposition on why Anakin is a bad idea (he's too old, and he's well aware the Jedi Order is biased against him) and that he reveals he's emotionally joined at the hip with his mother, who remained a slave. The rest of it, besides an awkward and unlikely mature woman fetish Anakin develops with Padme, is pretty inconsequential and could have been relayed in dialogue. In fact, showing his childhood life at all is just stupid, and could have been covered in flashback scenes and dialogue.

AotC isn't much better on this point. In fact, if you started mid-way through the Clone War and worked from there you could get the same point the across in one or two movies tops, and it'd feel less like "we're forcing this because somehow someone thinks the life of Anakin from the moment he was born until the moment he became Darth Vader has immense gravity that necessitates expose on every mundane moment of his life, without actually focusing on his life meaningfully."

But George Lucas made promises by saying A New Hope was episode 4 and thought he could pull three movies out worth of retroactive material. Not the first time he's gambled big and was unpleasantly surprised.

BlackJackCat posted...

When it comes to Anakin's backstory the first two movies of the prequel really aren't worth their weight, since you could probably take the important parts to the overall story and splice them all together and have a much smaller arc.

Basically TPM is only good for brief scenes of exposition on why Anakin is a bad idea (he's too old, and he's well aware the Jedi Order is biased against him) and that he reveals he's emotionally joined at the hip with his mother, who remained a slave. The rest of it, besides an awkward and unlikely mature woman fetish Anakin develops with Padme, is pretty inconsequential and could have been relayed in dialogue. In fact, showing his childhood life at all is just stupid, and could have been covered in flashback scenes and dialogue.

AotC isn't much better on this point. In fact, if you started mid-way through the Clone War and worked from there you could get the same point the across in one or two movies tops, and it'd feel less like "we're forcing this because somehow someone thinks the life of Anakin from the moment he was born until the moment he became Darth Vader has immense gravity that necessitates expose on every mundane moment of his life, without actually focusing on his life meaningfully."

But George Lucas made promises by saying A New Hope was episode 4 and thought he could pull three movies out worth of retroactive material. Not the first time he's gambled big and was unpleasantly surprised.

The problem is, the real Episode 1 started wayyy too far back. We dont need Episode 1 at all.

He shouldve started Attack of the Clones as Episode 1 and Revenge of the Sith shouldve been Episode 2. I think the real Episode 3 shouldve had a suited Vader movie hunting down the rest of the Jedi while ObiWan deals with life on Tatooine. And shown how he got the Ben name and why Owen Lars hates him so much.