Poll of the Day > 14-year-old beaten; hospitalized for wearing MAGA hat

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Blighboy
12/15/19 5:54:48 PM
#102:


Revelation34 posted...
People have committed numerous murders.
Thanks for reinforcing my point.

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myghostisdead
12/15/19 6:02:55 PM
#103:


LinkPizza posted...
Maybe. But he may not get in trouble. Lots of things factor in here. Some bus drivers are older and wouldn't have been able to do much. And has to safely drive those kids back home afterwards, still. So if he got hurt trying to diffuse the situation, that would be bad. And he may have gotten in trouble for that. And he still may not have been able to break up the fight. Nor can he go around hitting kids... unless they start attacking him. They he can beat the little shits up enough to safely get away. Though, then there's a possible loss of job and some parents complaining, while other stand up for the driver. The school will look like the bad guy either way... And there's probably rules he has to follow... And he would need somewhere to safely pull over. So, lots of factors, I guess. And that's probably not even everything they would need to consider...

I didn't say anything about hitting the kids. I am not even a man or big so there is no way I could wade in swinging.

Edit: it also a "Damned if you do or damned if you don't" situation trying to break them up forcefully. I know physically I couldn't do it and I wouldn't because I would fear that I would become liable for some injury. BUT, when kids start arguing that is when you step in, not when they come to blows. There is another video floating around of these same two kids taken on a different day with the same kind of behavior from them both so it was an ongoing problem.

I just know what we are told while getting our CDL to drive a bus. The moment a child stands up on a bus we are supposed to tell them to sit. If they do not we stop.
We can pretty much stop anywhere since we have our flashing lights and arm to pull unless it is a bridge or train track ( we stop before we cross the tracks anyway and I still have the habit of doing it while driving my own car). It didn't seem like a bridge because there are trees outside the windows.

You are responsible for the kids no matter how awful they might be. I agree you could potentially get hit and I have no idea how to pull them apart but those are the steps we are told to do. That was the reason the moment a kid stood up I'd tell them to sit. We've had to stop the bus for rowdy kids. When you do that it makes the others mad because they are going to be late because of someone else's foolishness so the problem usually resolves quickly if you keep aware of the kids like you are supposed to do. Also, move one of them next to you.


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zebatov
12/15/19 6:09:03 PM
#104:


The_tall_midget posted...
Not going to happen because of the political leanings of the Gamefaqs mod team.
Yep. Was just talking about that in the thread I made last night. Im surprised at least one user was asking for clarification. He seems smart.

Oh and Llamas mostly right about provocation. People dont usually just attack people for no reason, unless theres some mental health issues.

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The_tall_midget
12/15/19 6:53:06 PM
#105:


BlackScythe0 posted...
MAGAists like the various terrorists trying to start race wars recently.

There is no evidence this occured because the kid wore a maga hat.

Last time I checked, it was mostly assholes on the left making false attacks on themselves, by certain stars and such to try and spark race wars. But being honest about that would kind of escape you.

"THIS IS MAGA COUNTRY!" While running home with a Subway sandwich? Rings a bell? Kind of more influential than some kid getting bullied at shcool. And surely got more leftist morons to believe his claim. At least the kid was actually attacked by people who support violence, like you and Jen0125, by labeling them as racists or what not, The typical tolerance, hypocrisy and "niceness" of the left.

Or are we forgetting certain recent events, BlackScythe0? Which would explain your political alignment.

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LinkPizza
12/15/19 6:55:25 PM
#106:


myghostisdead posted...
I didn't say anything about hitting the kids. I am not even a man or big so there is no way I could wade in swinging.

Edit: it also a "Damned if you do or damned if you don't" situation trying to break them up forcefully. I know physically I couldn't do it and I wouldn't because I would fear that I would become liable for some injury. BUT, when kids start arguing that is when you step in, not when they come to blows. There is another video floating around of these same two kids taken on a different day with the same kind of behavior from them both so it was an ongoing problem.

I just know what we are told while getting our CDL to drive a bus. The moment a child stands up on a bus we are supposed to tell them to sit. If they do not we stop.
We can pretty much stop anywhere since we have our flashing lights and arm to pull unless it is a bridge or train track ( we stop before we cross the tracks anyway and I still have the habit of doing it while driving my own car). It didn't seem like a bridge because there are trees outside the windows.

You are responsible for the kids no matter how awful they might be. I agree you could potentially get hit and I have no idea how to pull them apart but those are the steps we are told to do. That was the reason the moment a kid stood up I'd tell them to sit. We've had to stop the bus for rowdy kids. When you do that it makes the others mad because they are going to be late because of someone else's foolishness so the problem usually resolves quickly if you keep aware of the kids like you are supposed to do. Also, move one of them next to you.

I didn't say you did. It was just something that came up as a factor.

Yep. He's in a shitty situation. Not doing anything like he did gets people mad at him. Yet, if he tried to mediate, people might also be mad based on what he did and the outcome. As for it being on ongoing problem, he may have brought it up to the school. But if they had no real solution, then they may not have done anything.

That's true. But the school can still fire you depending on their own rules. Getting the CDL, you have certain rules to follow. I only know because when practicing for my CDL, we practice at the same area as the school buses. But that's for the license. The school still has their own rules to follow. While they most likely don't contradict the law or CDL rules, doing certain things a certain way can cause a lot of trouble. And could cost you your job... Depending on the school...

You are responsible for them. But that's why you have to choose the right thing to do. Just because something seems simple or like the right choice doesn't always mean it is. Especially if he has worked with those kids before. Or tried different things before... But getting hit is bad because you'd need another school bus drivers. And not even a regular bus driver can do it because the rules are more strict when it comes to school buses. Also, you're using adult logic. On a bus where people are going to be late, adult will resolve the problem. I've seen that many times at my job. Or heard of it, as well. But kids don't care, most of the time. If they're late, that's less school. They may care a little on the way home, but some don't. And in this case, they were all excited to watch and record, it seems... The only ones that would be mad about when they got home (or to the bus stop) would be the parents. Which would land the bus driver in hot water. And while moving them can help, there's possibility it won't. Like, they might bring the fight up there, which becomes an even more dangerous situation...
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Yellow
12/15/19 6:55:31 PM
#107:


Joking aside, I don't think anyone itt would actually condone a 14 year old getting beaten in public because he was influenced by his parents, right?

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BlackScythe0
12/15/19 6:57:13 PM
#108:


The_tall_midget posted...
At least the kid was actually attacked by people who support violence, like you and Jen0125, by labeling them as racists or what not, The typical tolerance, hypocrisy and "niceness" of the left.

No evidence of it. Just a Trumpist mother trying to assert victimhood from what we know at this point.

I was in a number of fights as a kid. Some I won, some I lost, some that didn't really have a solid conclusion.

None were political or about anything I wore. I don't even remember any kids talking about politics at any point of my schooling.
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Mead
12/15/19 6:58:29 PM
#109:


Yellow posted...
Joking aside, I don't think anyone itt would actually condone a 14 year old getting beaten in public because he was influenced by his parents, right?

Id have to meet the 14 year old and talk to them a bit before I could make up my mind on that

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darcandkharg31
12/15/19 7:03:49 PM
#110:


Yellow posted...
Joking aside, I don't think anyone itt would actually condone a 14 year old getting beaten in public because he was influenced by his parents, right?
If you wear the hat you deserve to get sat.

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myghostisdead
12/15/19 7:03:52 PM
#111:


LinkPizza posted...
I didn't say you did. It was just something that came up as a factor.

Yep. He's in a shitty situation. Not doing anything like he did gets people mad at him. Yet, if he tried to mediate, people might also be mad based on what he did and the outcome. As for it being on ongoing problem, he may have brought it up to the school. But if they had no real solution, then they may not have done anything.

That's true. But the school can still fire you depending on their own rules. Getting the CDL, you have certain rules to follow. I only know because when practicing for my CDL, we practice at the same area as the school buses. But that's for the license. The school still has their own rules to follow. While they most likely don't contradict the law or CDL rules, doing certain things a certain way can cause a lot of trouble. And could cost you your job... Depending on the school...

You are responsible for them. But that's why you have to choose the right thing to do. Just because something seems simple or like the right choice doesn't always mean it is. Especially if he has worked with those kids before. Or tried different things before... But getting hit is bad because you'd need another school bus drivers. And not even a regular bus driver can do it because the rules are more strict when it comes to school buses. Also, you're using adult logic. On a bus where people are going to be late, adult will resolve the problem. I've seen that many times at my job. Or heard of it, as well. But kids don't care, most of the time. If they're late, that's less school. They may care a little on the way home, but some don't. And in this case, they were all excited to watch and record, it seems... The only ones that would be mad about when they got home (or to the bus stop) would be the parents. Which would land the bus driver in hot water. And while moving them can help, there's possibility it won't. Like, they might bring the fight up there, which becomes an even more dangerous situation...

Then you follow the rules as you were told. Stop the bus, call the school. You don't just keep driving.

If the parents are mad because the kids were late, who cares? You did the right thing. Their little monsters didn't and yeah, I've dealt with enough of these parents to know that they think their children are entitled. That is why you follow your rules and the problem is theirs, not yours.

I've never seen it get bad enough for the school to tell the kids they had to find another means to get to school. I don't know if they can. Mostly it will be expulsion or alternative school. But, this kind of behavior needs to be stopped early on. Keep the kids who pick at each other at opposite ends of the bus.

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Mead
12/15/19 7:06:27 PM
#112:


myghostisdead posted...
Then you follow the rules as you were told. Stop the bus, call the school. You don't just keep driving.

If the parents are mad because the kids were late, who cares? You did the right thing. Their little monsters didn't and yeah, I've dealt with enough of these parents to know that they think their children are entitled. That is why you follow your rules and the problem is theirs, not yours.

I've never seen it get bad enough for the school to tell the kids they had to find another means to get to school. I don't know if they can. Mostly it will be expulsion or alternative school. But, this kind of behavior needs to be stopped early on. Keep the kids who pick at each other at opposite ends of the bus.

you clearly dont know much about what its like to ride a public school bus or be a bus driver in a city

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myghostisdead
12/15/19 7:14:58 PM
#113:


Mead posted...
you clearly dont know much about what its like to ride a public school bus or be a bus driver in a city
Except that I've driven a public school bus and I've taught in public schools. Not in an inner city but I have been on some pretty angry bus rides. I know what I am supposed to do in those situations.

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LinkPizza
12/15/19 7:20:03 PM
#114:


myghostisdead posted...
Then you follow the rules as you were told. Stop the bus, call the school. You don't just keep driving.

If the parents are mad because the kids were late, who cares? You did the right thing. Their little monsters didn't and yeah, I've dealt with enough of these parents to know that they think their children are entitled. That is why you follow your rules and the problem is theirs, not yours.

I've never seen it get bad enough for the school to tell the kids they had to find another means to get to school. I don't know if they can. Mostly it will be expulsion or alternative school. But, this kind of behavior needs to be stopped early on. Keep the kids who pick at each other at opposite ends of the bus.

Unless the school told them to keep driving. Which is a very real possibility. Because they may not have another solution (driver or school). Not to mention, maybe a bus stop for one of the fighting kids is the next one. Which would also be a very possible solution to the problem.

The school cares. Especially private one. But public ones, as well. As the parents are kind of like the customers. And who says it's the right thing? Again, just because you think you're doing the right thing doesn't always mean you are. Driving for a few more minutes to get one of them off the bus could be a better solution than just stopping and letting the fight continue while you wait for someone to come out depending on how long that will take. We don't know everything that was going on. Only what we're told and can see on the video. The bus driver may have thought of what would be the best solution...

You can kick them off the bus for a while. Though, when that happened at my school, a kid got shot. Now, someone most likely would have been shot either way. It just turns out this kid did after being kicked off the bus and having to get his grandma or aunt or someone to take him to school early... But keeping kids on the opposite end of the bus might not work. As they could probably still move at some point. And it also depends on the kid. Maybe it's a kid that beats up everyone. Or a kid that's picked on by everyone.

myghostisdead posted...
Except that I've driven a public school bus and I've taught in public schools. Not in an inner city but I have been on some pretty angry bus rides. I know what I am supposed to do in those situations.

It's different, though. Between things like city or rural areas. Or even between different cities. Buses in DC are way more dangerous than any buses I've ridden for any schools I've been to. You can't say that you have to act the same in every situation...
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Revelation34
12/15/19 7:31:57 PM
#115:


Blighboy posted...

Thanks for reinforcing my point.


That murder is normal because of human nature?
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The_tall_midget
12/15/19 7:43:08 PM
#116:


Yellow posted...
Joking aside, I don't think anyone itt would actually condone a 14 year old getting beaten in public because he was influenced by his parents, right?

Well, you'd have to be a particular brand of crazy to even ALLUDE that someone deserves any violence done to them because of some idiotic definition of some ignorant people about what constitutes as racism or not. But I don't think anyone here is crazy enough to say something that stupid.

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EvilMegas
12/15/19 7:47:24 PM
#117:


I love how @Revelation34 has yet to provide any evidence to the contrary.

Where's the proof they attacked him for his hat?
The burden of proof is on you, my boy.

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EvilMegas
12/15/19 7:48:39 PM
#118:


Yellow posted...
Joking aside, I don't think anyone itt would actually condone a 14 year old getting beaten in public because he was influenced by his parents, right?
I would. Fuck kids.

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myghostisdead
12/15/19 7:53:37 PM
#119:


LinkPizza posted...
Unless the school told them to keep driving. Which is a very real possibility. Because they may not have another solution (driver or school). Not to mention, maybe a bus stop for one of the fighting kids is the next one. Which would also be a very possible solution to the problem.

The school cares. Especially private one. But public ones, as well. As the parents are kind of like the customers. And who says it's the right thing? Again, just because you think you're doing the right thing doesn't always mean you are. Driving for a few more minutes to get one of them off the bus could be a better solution than just stopping and letting the fight continue while you wait for someone to come out depending on how long that will take. We don't know everything that was going on. Only what we're told and can see on the video. The bus driver may have thought of what would be the best solution...

You can kick them off the bus for a while. Though, when that happened at my school, a kid got shot. Now, someone most likely would have been shot either way. It just turns out this kid did after being kicked off the bus and having to get his grandma or aunt or someone to take him to school early... But keeping kids on the opposite end of the bus might not work. As they could probably still move at some point. And it also depends on the kid. Maybe it's a kid that beats up everyone. Or a kid that's picked on by everyone.

It's different, though. Between things like city or rural areas. Or even between different cities. Buses in DC are way more dangerous than any buses I've ridden for any schools I've been to. You can't say that you have to act the same in every situation...

Probably true about city buses vs country but this wasn't any bigger than the school I taught in and had the same make up of being an unincorporated area, consolidated school.

Just read back over the policy from the school I taught and I remembered something that used to freak the kids out. The school can punish the student for something both to and from school the same as if they were on school grounds. I don't know how you could prove if the kid did not make it home before they did something wrong but this not only applied to bus riders but walkers too. I reread the policy and besides the bus rules it said the school can also kick you off the bus for misbehavior and you have to find your way to and from school.

This was the policy at our school and the surrounding schools so I am guessing it is pretty standard statewide for our public schools with some variances.

The kids are being charged. The boy should be removed from the bus. I know many will say I am for punishing the victim but I am more thinking about getting him away from them. The school may have to figure out another way to get him to school. I dunno.

This being on the national news is an embarrassment to the school. Schools don't like that kind of thing.

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Revelation34
12/15/19 7:59:36 PM
#120:


EvilMegas posted...
I love how @Revelation34 has yet to provide any evidence to the contrary.

Where's the proof they attacked him for his hat?
The burden of proof is on you, my boy.


I love how you can't even read one simple article. Too many big words for you I guess.
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Mead
12/15/19 8:03:04 PM
#121:


EvilMegas posted...
I would. Fuck kids.

Im really glad you remembered punctuation in this post

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LinkPizza
12/15/19 8:04:13 PM
#122:


myghostisdead posted...
Probably true about city buses vs country but this wasn't any bigger than the school I taught in and had the same make up of being an unincorporated area, consolidated school.

Just read back over the policy from the school I taught and I remembered something that used to freak the kids out. The school can punish the student for something both to and from school the same as if they were on school grounds. I don't know how you could prove if the kid did not make it home before they did something wrong but this not only applied to bus riders but walkers too. I reread the policy and besides the bus rules it said the school can also kick you off the bus for misbehavior and you have to find your way to and from school.

This was the policy at our school and the surrounding schools so I am guessing it is pretty standard statewide for our public schools with some variances.

The kids are being charged. The boy should be removed from the bus. I know many will say I am for punishing the victim but I am more thinking about getting him away from them. The school may have to figure out another way to get him to school. I dunno.

This being on the national news is an embarrassment to the school. Schools don't like that kind of thing.

Yeah. I knew about that. That's why they were allowed to kick that kid off the bus. The school bus (once they get on) is like school property, almost. Kids use to get in trouble for stuff they did on the bus all the time...

And he should be off the bus. It would be dangerous for him to be on it. He could ride another bus with a slight route change and maybe a little extra walking. But that may not solve anything, as he is probably know around school and might still be bullied on another bus. Like the kid at my school, he may just need someone to take him. Even if he gets to school a little early...

True. Though, it most likely would have been on the news either way. Even if the bus driver did something, it probably would have been on the news...
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deoxxys
12/15/19 8:27:56 PM
#123:


Jen0125 posted...
Maybe he was jumped by 8 black kids because he's a little racist like his mom?

This must be the same line of thinking those kids had.

Eh, he supports trump, must be a racist.

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EvilMegas
12/15/19 9:40:17 PM
#124:


Mead posted...
Im really glad you remembered punctuation in this post
Lol

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The_tall_midget
12/15/19 10:24:54 PM
#125:


deoxxys posted...
This must be the same line of thinking those kids had.

Eh, he supports trump, must be a racist.

Why call it "line of thinking"?

Call it what it is : pure ignorance.

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Destiny
12/15/19 11:31:44 PM
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im surprised it took this long for midgetman to come into the topic and prove to everyone how racist he is again

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EvilMegas
12/16/19 8:24:58 AM
#127:


You can mod me, but fuck them kids!

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Mead
12/16/19 8:26:01 AM
#128:


Yeah kids are the worst

teenagers are the worst people

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ZeldaMutant
12/16/19 9:11:03 AM
#129:


Aren't Trump supporters the ones always saying that bullying victims should defend themselves and fight back instead of tattling to adults?

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EvilMegas
12/16/19 9:43:06 AM
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Only when they have a gun.

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OhhhJa
12/16/19 9:47:45 AM
#131:


I'm not at all surprised anti trumpers are praising the beating of a child based on politics. Also, the school may say they found no evidence that the hat came into play but I have zero doubt that the kid was probably getting bullied for the hat leading up to this.
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Revelation34
12/16/19 11:13:14 AM
#132:


OhhhJa posted...
I'm not at all surprised anti trumpers are praising the beating of a child based on politics. Also, the school may say they found no evidence that the hat came into play but I have zero doubt that the kid was probably getting bullied for the hat leading up to this.


According to people who can't read there is no hat.
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Kyuubi4269
12/16/19 11:24:28 AM
#133:


ZeldaMutant posted...
Aren't Trump supporters the ones always saying that bullying victims should defend themselves and fight back instead of tattling to adults?

Kid didn't have a gun so couldn't kill them all in self-defense. The law is stopping their right to stand ground and mow them down.
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OhhhJa
12/16/19 11:30:25 AM
#134:


ZeldaMutant posted...
Aren't Trump supporters the ones always saying that bullying victims should defend themselves and fight back instead of tattling to adults?
Didnt this happen on a bus? Pretty sure you dont have to tattle in that case. The bus driver would report it
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smileychuy
12/16/19 12:28:58 PM
#135:


Did yall care about politics when you were 14??
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Kyuubi4269
12/16/19 12:36:04 PM
#136:


smileychuy posted...
Did yall care about politics when you were 14??

Not everyone was sucking dick behind the bike shed.
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EvilMegas
12/16/19 12:45:16 PM
#137:


Revelation34 posted...
According to people who can't read there is no hat.
Where is the hat? Proof plox

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Revelation34
12/16/19 12:47:16 PM
#138:


EvilMegas posted...
Where is the hat? Proof plox


The article statements that you can't read are the proof.
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EvilMegas
12/16/19 1:26:31 PM
#139:


EvilMegas posted...
Where is the hat? Proof plox


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Mead
12/16/19 1:33:29 PM
#140:


smileychuy posted...
Did yall care about politics when you were 14??

a little but I had no clue about any actual details

i certainly wouldnt have worn any political clothing

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HornedLion
12/16/19 1:38:16 PM
#141:


Mead posted...
a little but I had no clue about any actual details

i certainly wouldnt have worn any political clothing

She didnt care about politics.

She simply spoke about climate change near her town hall, and someone saw her and invited her to speak to schools. She learned more along the way, and became what you see now.

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Mead
12/16/19 1:39:38 PM
#142:


HornedLion posted...
She didnt care about politics.

She simply spoke about climate change near her town hall, and someone saw her and invited her to speak to schools. She learned more along the way, and became what you see now.

oh are we talking about Greta?

its hilarious how angry and threatened boomers are by that girl

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Frisk
12/16/19 1:49:07 PM
#143:


CloudThunder posted...
14 yrs old wearing a MAGA hat?no need to guess what his parents have taught him.and just off of his parent's comment alone,you can tell they're VERY ignorant.


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HelIWithoutSin
12/16/19 2:30:07 PM
#144:


Revelation34 posted...
According to people who can't read there is no hat.

Hey, did you go apple pie picking at the orchard this year?

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BlockWatcher
12/16/19 3:13:07 PM
#145:


There was a time in my life when i would condone violence against somebody because they thought differently than me.

Come to Jesus all you who hate, rage, and fear. Let the agape love thats only possible from the king of kings wash your heart clean.

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Revelation34
12/16/19 3:34:48 PM
#146:


EvilMegas posted...
Where is the hat? Proof plox


"previously wore a MAGA hat" Right there, Stevie.
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EvilMegas
12/16/19 3:37:02 PM
#147:


Sooooo, that's more proof than the poilce and school?

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Revelation34
12/16/19 3:40:36 PM
#148:


EvilMegas posted...
Sooooo, that's more proof than the poilce and school?


The police never said anything and the school made a generic statement with no evidence to their claims either.
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OhhhJa
12/16/19 3:44:21 PM
#149:


EvilMegas posted...
Sooooo, that's more proof than the poilce and school?
I read this a couple days ago so I could be forgetting something but i dont think the police or the school said he hadn't previously worn a maga hat
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EvilMegas
12/16/19 3:46:03 PM
#150:


Phantom_Nook posted...
https://i.imgur.com/jMkSohQ.jpg
"During or prior to the event"

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OhhhJa
12/16/19 3:46:45 PM
#151:


Also, that would be a weird thing for the parents to make up. I know you guys hate seeing the constant violence from anti trumpers (even though you encourage it) but it does happen. Just accept it
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