Current Events > Goddamn the UK's polls still don't close for another almost 3 hours

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We're still like 10-11 hours away from finding out the results
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Crono99 posted...

*Vladimir Putin is tracking this topic*

I got a sneaking feeling BJ is gonna win and I hate it

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Doom_Art posted...

I got a sneaking feeling BJ is gonna win and I hate it

I mean I'm pretty sure the Conservatives ending up with the most seats is a foregone conclusion, the only question is if they'll win enough to form a majority either outright on their own or through another coalition.
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Doom_Art posted...

I got a sneaking feeling BJ is gonna win and I hate it

its not sneaking, hell win a majority of 20-ish

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Russian interference wins again

The Tories will win, but Brexit still won't happen. Delaying Brexit is basically the British pastime now.

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Parappa09 posted...

its not sneaking, hell win a majority of 20-ish

Unfortunately, yup.
UnholyMudcrab posted...

The Tories will win, but Brexit still won't happen. Delaying Brexit is basically the British pastime now.

Also this. But don't worry, Boris is GETTING it DONE

Just don't ask what done means, please. Or when done is. Just accept it.

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

The Tories will win, but Brexit still won't happen. Delaying Brexit is basically the British pastime now.

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lol at thinking brexit wont happen

thats like saying trump wont win for a second term

they're both inevitable

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Bio1590 posted...

I mean I'm pretty sure the Conservatives ending up with the most seats is a foregone conclusion, the only question is if they'll win enough to form a majority either outright on their own or through another coalition.

Fuck knows what would happen in a hung parliament. I can't see who the Tories would form a coalition with. The Brexit Party will be lucky to get a single seat, UKIP are finished, the Lib Dems, SNP and Plaid are diametrically opposed, they've burned their bridges with the DUP. Change UK (or whatever name they're going by this week) aren't worth mentioning.

That leaves, what, Labour + SNP? Who knows if they'll have enough seats or even be able to agree anything. The SNP have ruled out a formal coalition, so they say.

Ex-Kefiroth posted...

How are the Tories still winning after years of the Brexit fuck-up? I mean, they're pretty much entirely responsible for the whole debacle.

Is Britain an island full of masochists or something?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1l1XGiXgo0

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The only party I can see the Conservatives forming a coalition with is the Brexit party. I've seen a lot of people argue that the Liberal Democrats would support them, but I don't see why, or how. The both have Brexit at the forefront of their campaigns and both have exact opposite views on the matter.

I suppose it's possible that the Conservatives will see that other parties have a majority of seats, and go "oh well I guess the people have now said they don't want Brexit so let's cancel it", but I can't see the Liberal Democrats, helping facilitate Brexit. They almost fell into irrelevance after the last coalition they had with the Conservatives, and Brexit far bigger then deal then what they promised in the 2010 election.

Parappa09 posted...

lol at thinking brexit wont happen

thats like saying trump wont win for a second term

they're both inevitable

Yeah, but when? It's not going to happen soon and all reports indicate still going to take years so even when Boris sadly wins, gonna be hell for awhile, and then it will really get grim.

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Yes we are.

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Well whatever happens I guess it can't be as bad as Israel holding its third election in less than a year >_>
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Bio1590 posted...

Well whatever happens I guess it can't be as bad as Israel holding its third election in less than a year >_>

Don't jinx it.

Ex-Kefiroth posted...

How are the Tories still winning after years of the Brexit fuck-up? I mean, they're pretty much entirely responsible for the whole debacle.

Is Britain an island full of masochists or something?

I've a horrible feeling we've got a soft spot for eccentric buffoons who've hosted TV quiz shows, and we're willing to chuck away our country's future for a fucking moronic reason like that.

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I can't really find any info on it but does the way the UK's "system" is set up favour the Conservatives, like how the US' favours the Republicans?

Like you look at a map of the constituencies and the UK (particularly England) has an absolute fuckload of rural ones that always vote for the Conservatives.

E: And yes I know they have different forms of government, that's not relevant to my question.
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Bio1590 posted...

I can't really find any info on it but does the way the UK's "system" is set up favour the Conservatives, like how the US' favours the Republicans?

Like you look at a map of the constituencies and the UK (particularly England) has an absolute fuckload of rural ones that always vote for the Conservatives.

E: And yes I know they have different forms of government, that's not relevant to my question.

I seem to remember a couple of elections back that Labour actually did better in terms of votes/seat (seems I was wrong on this; see below). For that reason, the Tories wanted to shrink the number of seats (to 600 was it?).

UKIP got shafted with something like 4m votes/1 seat. The SNP got like 50 seats on like 1m-2m votes (can't remember the actual number).

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/06/theresa-may-to-ditch-plans-to-cut-number-of-mps-from-650-to-600

The commission is set to publish its latest proposals based on 600 constituencies next month, revealing which MPs would face the axe.

Labour opposes the reduction, which would cut the number of seats in its urban heartlands and result in the party losing more seats than the Tories. The Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, has previously labelled the plans gerrymandering.

The Tory leadership is preparing to abandon the plan and ask the Boundary Commission to redo the review on the basis of keeping all 650 MPs to ensure that all constituencies are of broadly equal size, the Times said.

Found the votes per seat from 2017:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11593854/Votes-Per-Seat-for-each-party.html

So the Tories had the advantage in 2017.

2015: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/voters-per-mp-why-first-past-post-failed/

The surprising result of the election illustrates the distorting effect of First Past The Post (FPTP) voting. The Tories have a 99-seat lead 15% of the parliaments seats on the opposition Labour, with 6.5% more of the vote share. The Lib Dems have lost many seats, falling to 7.9% of the vote share but with only 1.2% of the seats. The Greens have over 1.1 million voters with 1 seat. UKIP had nearly 4m votes, for 1 seat.

45 minutes!
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https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50765773

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well the country is truly fucked

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hahahaha

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Expected, but still disappointing. Once again proof that the human race is despicable lol

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Maybe Labour will finally dump Corbyn. This is 4 straight losses for them and according to the BBC the worst election they've had since the 1930s.

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s0nicfan posted...

Maybe Labour will finally dump Corbyn. This is 4 straight losses for them and according to the BBC the worst election they've had since the 1930s.

As someone who likes Corbyn it would be ridiculous if he didnt resign at this point

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Joenage posted...

As someone who likes Corbyn it would be ridiculous if he didnt resign at this point

His weird gambit on being completely non-committal on brexit because his party is split on the issue clearly backfired.

Edit: well that, and openly promising to nationalize like half of the nation's Industries.

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metallica846 posted...

Am I missing something here in the states? What despicable human race action is happening right now? Not wanting to be in the EU anymore=despicable?

Please explain.

The Conservatives are hard right and generally make life awful for the poor/disadvantaged in society.

I'm fortunate to be a married homeowner and we both have good jobs, but I have empathy for those who are only going to be squeezed tighter by them.

so Corbyn kind of fucked this one up huh

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The worst part of all this is that we'll have to see Ruth Davidson naked.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18093584.ruth-davidson-skinny-dip-loch-ness-snp-win-50-seats/

On a more serious note, 55 seats for the SNP would be be massive. Could we see a Labour wipeout in Scotland?

Parappa09 posted...

well the country is truly fucked

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metallica846 posted...

Am I missing something here in the states? What despicable human race action is happening right now? Not wanting to be in the EU anymore=despicable?

Please explain.

Its nothing to do with Brexit. Do some research on Boris Johnson, hes a racist, homophobe, serial liar, whose party has used dirty underhand tactics throughout the campaign (smearing the opposition leader, posing as an official factcheck account during a key debate while posting solely anti-labour propaganda)

Theres certainly a lot wrong with Labour, and their action (or lack of) on Brexit was actually what disappointed me the most. But Im still shocked that this much of the population would want to vote for this party

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Theres also the NHS which had documents leaked suggesting it could be put up for sale going forward.

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Excellent news

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Its likely that in some peoples eyes this was basically a Brexit election, yeah. The Brexit Party is projected to get no seats which suggests their voters moved on to the Tories (Brexit Party did not field any candidates in constituencies that Tories were contesting as a tactical decision)

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Joenage posted...

Theres also the NHS which had documents leaked suggesting it could be put up for sale going forward.

Yup. If things do start happening like suspected, genuinely not sure if I'd want to keep working as a Nurse or not.

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I'm curious what the polls showed leading up. Was this expected or unexpected?
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"The will of the people" is such a bad argument to make in support of a vote based on falsehoods and misinformation that just barely squeaked by.
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konokonohamaru posted...

I'm curious what the polls showed leading up. Was this expected or unexpected?

Polls were showing that conservatives would take a majority at best, shrink but hold enough to form a coalition at worst. Them potentially up 70+ seats and Labour down like -50 is well outside of expectations. This is more or less the UK as a whole saying "fuck you" to the entire Labour platform under Corbyn.

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metallica846 posted...

Isnt this whole hole thing happening because they voted yes on Brexit and the Labour Party said fuck what you want? Then another election, then another election and still saying fuck what you want.

No. Up until earlier on this year the Labour position was "let's leave the EU". Even after changing their position, it was changed to "let's confirm have another referendum".

I can't get over how fucking stupid the citizens of the UK have been.

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I love how even with a total blowout nobody is going "maybe Labour put up an untenable set of policies led by an awful leader who waffled on the biggest issue of their time that every other party openly stated would never be PM".

Yea, everyone in the UK is just stupid. That's it.

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