Current Events > Watching Avatar the last airbender. Why are the fire nation evil/the bad guys?

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Oh man I see what they're doing! Every episode is centered around Zuko bonding with the other members. That's a really nifty idea! Katara finally trusts him. I was worried they were going to show him egging her on to kill the dude, but I'm glad that wasn't what they were going for. It was still a bit worrisome when Katara bloodbended that one soldier though.

But all this non violence Aang is all of a sudden preaching... kinda conflicts with what they've been going through the past three seasons.

Phantom_Nook posted...

I love how Zuko gets time to bond with the Gaang. It's like he's a totally different character from the start of the series.

Right? He's mellowed out, helpful, almost goofy at times which is so surreal to see animated like that. Still has his anger and hot temper, but there's like a change that's come over him. I can't believe how much he's changed but don't even question it because I'm just so happy about it

RoseIsHorriblle posted...

Ty Lee and May perfectly represent the people who get dragged in a war they don't want to be in and can't leave either out of fear or royalty. Sometimes people do not have a choice.

You know what that's a good point. I was waiting to see something like this in the Fire nation, how war is unpleasant even for the instigators. They showed it a bit in that episode with the poor fire village polluted by that fire nation factory.

We're so close to the end. Would I like legend of Korra after this? I'm usually wary of sequels to outstanding shows.

Amenadeel posted...

We're so close to the end. Would I like legend of Korra after this? I'm usually wary of sequels to outstanding shows.

Give it a shot, but the fanbase is pretty divided.

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Amenadeel posted...

We're so close to the end. Would I like legend of Korra after this? I'm usually wary of sequels to outstanding shows.

The lows of Korra are much lower than the lows of the OG, and the highs aren't as high, but it's still a decent watch.

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I wouldn't bother with Korra. Season 1 is ok, I guess. Season 2 is hot trash (even fans of the series agree on this). Season 3 and 4 are a big step up from Season 2, but I still think they are trash, they have good moments, but the key word is moments. Although to be fair I've seen a lot of people who seem to really like Season 3 and 4 for some reason.

I'd say the highs are about as high as a lot of the highs of The Last Airbender, it's just that the lows are lower. They give the villains in Korra more interesting political ideologies though.

I felt that the Imperialism from the Fire Nation in the original series was a bit underdeveloped. You get traces of it in Book 3 towards the beginning, but there could have been more. For example, Fire Nation colonies in the Earth Kingdom are brought up a couple times, but it would've been more interesting for the Gaang to visit one firsthand and possibly hear their version of what's going on. Unless they did, but I don't believe they did.

Korra has the aesthetic down pat, but it's so much lazier with demonstration. Flash without substance.

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Amenadeel posted...

I'm glad they got sokka and katara's dad out. That was heartwarming. And it's made me hope Zuko gets to reconcile with his uncle before the end.

But holy crap. Did you guys expect that from May? She helped Zuko. She... She does care. I was for sure thinking she like the rest were just brain washed fire nation style. And not only that, Ty Lee struck Azula to save May herself! My jaw dropped. I don't even know what to think right now about them both.

Td you their arc wasnt over.

Korra is very good so yea give it a shot.

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Amenadeel posted...

We're so close to the end. Would I like legend of Korra after this? I'm usually wary of sequels to outstanding shows.

Korra, as a whole, is fantastic

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Korra is good, but the characters don't get as much depth for the most part. It has good art and villains though.
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Amenadeel posted...

Oh man I see what they're doing! Every episode is centered around Zuko bonding with the other members. That's a really nifty idea! Katara finally trusts him. I was worried they were going to show him egging her on to kill the dude, but I'm glad that wasn't what they were going for. It was still a bit worrisome when Katara bloodbended that one soldier though.

But all this non violence Aang is all of a sudden preaching... kinda conflicts with what they've been going through the past three seasons.

Aang has always been fine with fighting, it's the killing of the Fire Lord (murder) that he has a problem with.
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Hehe they're watching a play based on their adventures.

I like this episode because it's a clever way to do a recap and more so than that, it reminds me a lot of that Reboot episode.

Reboot was this little known amazing show in the 90s for those that didn't grow up with it, and it had an episode where they did a recap through a play with a song to the tune of that "modern major general" song.

This avatar episode reminded me a lot of that Reboot episode in the best way.

Poor Aang. The play really embarrassed him by pointing out something we were all thinking, that Katara sees him as a little brother type and not in a romantic way.

I also realized that both Sokka and Katara seem to have the most love interests don't they? Those water tribe huh guys. With Sokka it's pretty much every girl that's not his sister, and Katara had that one earth bender dude, Jet, and they even hinted at something going on with Zuko.

Also depressing that the enemy made that play so the audience actually cheers when the Fire Lord wins.

So close now until the comet...

"Did Jet just die?"
"You know, it was really unclear."
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Sokka really only has the moon princess and Suki.

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MorganTJ posted...

For example, Fire Nation colonies in the Earth Kingdom are brought up a couple times, but it would've been more interesting for the Gaang to visit one firsthand and possibly hear their version of what's going on. Unless they did, but I don't believe they did.

They visit them quite often in Season 1, and 2 as well I believe. Those are the areas of the Earth Kingdom that the Fire Nation rule.

Amenadeel posted...

I also realized that both Sokka and Katara seem to have the most love interests don't they? Those water tribe huh guys.

well, that's what happens when you're in a permanent state of being wet

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JE19426 posted...

They visit them quite often in Season 1, and 2 as well I believe. Those are the areas of the Earth Kingdom that the Fire Nation rule.

Heck, that's the intro setting for Mai.

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You guys might be right, I might just be keeping colonies and occupied Earth-Kingdom cities separate in my mind for some reason.

Phantom_Nook posted...

"Did Jet just die?"
"You know, it was really unclear."

that part really cracked me up lol

Buff Toph sonic-screaming is one of my favorite things ever. I recently learned how to make a gif, and after all these years I might finally sit down and a make a 'that's my fetish' gif out of the camera panning over the entire audience looking disgusted and only Toph has a huge smile on her face.

spikethedevil posted...

Sokka really only has the moon princess and Suki.

And all those haiku students. At least until he went one syllable too far.

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spikethedevil posted...

Sokka really only has the moon princess and Suki.

Ty Lee to some extent

Toph is also crushing on him to some extent

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This... This is it. Sozin's comet. The end's not near, it's here.

Do a Reaction! Film yourself watching the last few episodes

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Sozin's Comet is my favorite finale of all time.
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Jesus the Fire Lord is insane. Burning ba sing se and everything to the ground? What does he just want to rule an ash field?

Why does everyone just been like one of four things? Why isn't there there a shit ton of different things people can bend? I don't care about fire, water, air and earth. I want to bend... snakes or... vodka or spiders or like... teleporting guns and rocket launchers to my hands or other cool shit like that, not just boring "four elements" stuff and they aren't even real elements. Nitrogen and platinum and polonium are real elements. Being able to bend polonium would be awesome. You could poison the FUCK outta people and they wouldn't be able to do a god damn thing about it. That shit is super deadly... almost as bad as botox but not quite. Still I would rather have that power than fire or water etc.
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Dude, snakes are already hella bendy. They coil up into spirals like it's nothing. You don't need supernatural powers to bend them.

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Machete posted...

Why does everyone just been like one of four things? Why isn't there there a shit ton of different things people can bend? I don't care about fire, water, air and earth. I want to bend... snakes or... vodka or spiders or like... teleporting guns and rocket launchers to my hands or other cool shit like that, not just boring "four elements" stuff and they aren't even real elements. Nitrogen and platinum and polonium are real elements. Being able to bend polonium would be awesome. You could poison the FUCK outta people and they wouldn't be able to do a god damn thing about it. That shit is super deadly... almost as bad as botox but not quite. Still I would rather have that power than fire or water etc.

Waterbenders can bend plants, soup and blood, earthbenders can bend most minerals, firebenders have lightning and explosions, etc. Not sure what else you want.

Machete posted...

Why does everyone just been like one of four things? Why isn't there there a shit ton of different things people can bend? I don't care about fire, water, air and earth. I want to bend... snakes or... vodka or spiders or like... teleporting guns and rocket launchers to my hands or other cool shit like that, not just boring "four elements" stuff and they aren't even real elements. Nitrogen and platinum and polonium are real elements. Being able to bend polonium would be awesome. You could poison the FUCK outta people and they wouldn't be able to do a god damn thing about it. That shit is super deadly... almost as bad as botox but not quite. Still I would rather have that power than fire or water etc.

feel free to write your own series where people can manipulate those elements. it sounds kinda interesting at least

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Hambo the Hog posted...

Dude, snakes are already hella bendy. They coil up into spirals like it's nothing. You don't need supernatural powers to bend them.

Fire, water and air all do that even more than snakes though. Water is literally fluid, air just does whatever and fire is basically just air that's on fire >_>
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Machete posted...

Fire, water and air all do that even more than snakes though. Water is literally fluid, air just does whatever and fire is basically just air that's on fire >_>

That's because fire and water and air are all cool. Snakes are just gross. Sure, you could bend them into a puddle of snake or a pyramid of snake, but first you'd hafta find a snake to bend and no one wants to do that.

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Basically bawled at Zuko and Iroh reconciling. It was exactly like I imagined. These are happy tears.

I would do almost anything to see this again for the first time

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Machete out of nowhere with a tryhard funny post.

Sokka does have way too many love interests for being a dork most of the time. Aang should have gotten at least one, and Katara gets jealous because of it. Actually I rthink I kind of remember this happening somewhere in the series.

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stoltenberg11 posted...

Machete out of nowhere with a tryhard funny post.

Sokka does have way too many love interests for being a dork most of the time. Aang should have gotten at least one, and Katara gets jealous because of it. Actually I rthink I kind of remember this happening somewhere in the series.

When they went to a Fire Island town and Aang had to go to school, one of the girls got the hots for Aang, if I remember correctly


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Why was Katara just standing there in the middle of an agni kye? Oh well at least she was the one that took down Azula.

So you've got one more episode left of the greatest cartoon of all time? God dam, I just went and watched the last 4 episodes from the Normies reaction channel thanks to this topic.

I love this show so much

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stoltenberg11 posted...

Machete out of nowhere with a tryhard funny post.

Sokka does have way too many love interests for being a dork most of the time. Aang should have gotten at least one, and Katara gets jealous because of it. Actually I rthink I kind of remember this happening somewhere in the series.

Sokka has two proper love interests, moon princess and Suki.


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stoltenberg11 posted...

Aang should have gotten at least one, and Katara gets jealous because of it. Actually I rthink I kind of remember this happening somewhere in the series.

Aang gets a whole harem of girls in Warriors of Kyoshi.

I decided to try Korra during my Christmas break. Ended up binging all 4 seasons over a few days. It was pretty good, but quite different from Avatar. Lows are lower, and highs are lower as well. Music's good, more politics was a nice change, but as others said, there's less substance.

Can't wait to hear TC's reaction to the final episode.

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That was... amazing! Aang's avatar state was triggered and that battle with the Fire Lord was gripping! In the end he didn't kill him. I'm kinda glad. He took his bending away, that makes sense. Magic Lion turtle came out of nowhere (was there such a creature mentioned before in the show?)

Still I thought it fit, it makes sense for the avatar to bend the energy of a person, something only the avatar can do

That's it guys, it's over. They all lived happily ever after. Oh man I can't believe that's it, I want to see more, more!

I'll post my overall thoughts on the series later, I need some time to collect myself.

Waterbenders are OP, basically a top tier water bender > the avatar if they have even slightly more water bending prowess than the avatar does

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Now watch Korra

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There was mention of a lion turtle being a creature that existed, but never anything about it being overly special?

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Rika_Furude posted...

Waterbenders are OP, basically a top tier water bender > the avatar if they have even slightly more water bending prowess than the avatar does

How do you figure? Unless you're talking about blood bending which is only during the full moon. And even then, LEGEND OF KORRA SPOILERS Aang very easily defeated a Blood Bender

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

There was mention of a lion turtle being a creature that existed, but never anything about it being overly special?

It's shown briefly in the Spirit Library when Aang finds an illustation of one, and statues of it can be seen briefly at Master Piandao's castle (Piandao also comments that Sokka has a heart 'as big as a lion-turtle). S'bout it. I love this show to death, but this is about as clear-cut an example of deus-ex machina that you can find.

Funny thing is, plenty of people who wouldn't give a second thought about the lion turtle complain up and down about how (Legend of Korra spoilers) Korrasami 'came out of nowhere,' despite the latter having more instances of foreshadowing.

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People just unjustly hate Korra.

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