Current Events > Pete Buttigieg says being gay helps him relate to the black struggle.

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Mayor Pete Buttigieg has delivered a provocative response in recent days to those who challenge his empathy with black Americans: His experience as a gay man helps him relate to the struggles of African Americans. That has angered some African Americans, who view it as an attempt by a privileged white man to claim a type of victimhood that is distinct from the black experience in America, even while others take the comments more favorably. Oliver Davis, a black council member in South Bend, Ind., where Buttigieg is mayor, said that African Americans, unlike gay people, dont have the option of coming out at their chosen moment as did Buttigieg, who disclosed his sexual orientation after he had been elected mayor. When you see me, you would know that Im African American from day one, said Davis, who has endorsed former vice president Joe Biden. When someone is gay or a lesbian, unless they tell or they are seen in certain situations, then no one is going to know that. They are able to build their rsums and build their career.

LGBT activists see something different in Buttigieg a barrier-breaker from a group that has long faced bigotry and violence, a face of the latest struggle for inclusion. And while some successfully conceal their difference, say leaders of the movement for gay equality, that decision can come with its own steep costs. Evan Wolfson, founder of Freedom to Marry, which helped lead the fight for same-sex marriage, said Buttigiegs message is not an attempt to appropriate someone elses experience. Rather, he said, the mayor is saying that because he, too, has had to deal with his own struggles, that has made him more aware of the need to connect with the struggles of others. The prospect of tension between the black and gay communities worries some people in both groups. Cant yall stop this mess? Alvin McEwen, a black LGBT activist from South Carolina, recalled thinking to himself amid the furor following Buttigiegs comments. No group wants to have the autonomy of their narrative taken by another group, McEwen said. But it also typifies how both communities want to grab on to power and dont want to listen to each other.
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He's not wrong.

Cops aint pulling over people and killing them for being gay.....
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Damn, hes just trying to help but experiences intense push back...
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DirkDiggles posted...

Cops aint pulling over people and killing them for being gay.....

Not cops, no

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The guy is a Republican in all but name. I can't take him seriously.

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Buttigieg needs to drop out. He's a hack.
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LoL-eSports_462 posted...

Damn, hes just trying to help but experiences intense push back...

Nah, it's more like he's trying to launder his own racism by talking about how he has been oppressed.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/mayor-petes-police-chief-pick-prompted-clashes-with-common-council/
https://freebeacon.com/politics/buttigieg-appointed-police-chiefs-faced-multiple-accusations-of-racism-from-black-cops/

TL;DR Buttigieg, upon being elected mayor, fired the city's black police chief who was running an unpopular(in the police department) investigation into racial bias in policing and then replaced him with a white guy who not only immediately shutdown the investigation into racial bias in policing but was accused of racial bias in hiring practices! Needless to say, Mayor Pete backed his police chief to the hilt.

Not gonna comment on Buttigieg, but I do want to remind that gay people can be racist against blacks, much like black people can be homophobes.
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Sayoria posted...

Buttigieg needs to drop out. He's a hack.

I'm pretty sure you're a hack :O

ZannoL posted...

Sayoria posted...

Buttigieg needs to drop out. He's a hack.

I'm pretty sure you're a hack :O

We get it. He's gay. Do you support Milo as well?
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Being gay is easier than being black in america

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The guy who covered up racist police incidents can relate to black people, sure.
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Is he trolling us?
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Pretty sure any time someone makes this comparison everyone gets mad. His campaign team is filled with morons lol
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ZannoL posted...

He's not wrong.

This. Theres some degree of solidarity between those who have been ostracized for factors they cannot control.
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Deadpool_18 posted...

This. Theres some degree of solidarity between those who have been ostracized for factors they cannot control.

Yeah.

I don't think he or anyone else is claiming that the struggle is completely the same, but rather, that as a minority he shares some (not all) of the same struggles.

But as usual you have people completely overreacting to an innocent comment.

Deadpool_18 posted...

ZannoL posted...

He's not wrong.

This. Theres some degree of solidarity between those who have been ostracized for factors they cannot control.

Try being a straight white conservative Christian male. Being LGBT or POC is absolutely celebrated in our culture.
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Fuparulez posted...

Deadpool_18 posted...

ZannoL posted...

He's not wrong.

This. Theres some degree of solidarity between those who have been ostracized for factors they cannot control.

Try being a straight white conservative Christian male. Being LGBT or POC is absolutely celebrated in our culture.

"send her back"

I literally had a middle aged white woman tell me last week FUCK YOU, FUCKING IMMIGRANT, that she'd get me arrested, and to go back to my country.

All because I'm an american with brown skin.

HellRatUFO posted...

Democrats...that the destructive policies of their major political party have caused for decades smh.

Bad bait
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Fuparulez posted...

Try being a straight white conservative Christian male. Being LGBT or POC is absolutely celebrated in our culture.

You think being a white cishet conservative christian male is hard? Try being a gamer in Iraq. Stuck between Iraq and a hard place. :'(

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gunplagirl posted...

Fuparulez posted...

Try being a straight white conservative Christian male. Being LGBT or POC is absolutely celebrated in our culture.

You think being a white cishet conservative christian male is hard? Try being a gamer in Iraq. Stuck between Iraq and a hard place. :'(

boooooo
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ZannoL posted...

Yeah.

I don't think he or anyone else is claiming that the struggle is completely the same, but rather, that as a minority he shares some (not all) of the same struggles.

But as usual you have people completely overreacting to an innocent comment.

correct which is why we cant have nice shit because people wanna be dishonest just to take down a candidate that only aligns 80% with their views

CruelBuffalo posted...

correct which is why we cant have nice shit because people wanna be dishonest just to take down a candidate that only aligns 80% with their views

How do we know Buttigieg is 80% aligned with his critics? What's wrong with not compromising to support a candidate anyway?

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Sayoria posted...
@Sayoria
Check your inbox

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Fuparulez posted...

Deadpool_18 posted...

ZannoL posted...

He's not wrong.

This. Theres some degree of solidarity between those who have been ostracized for factors they cannot control.

Try being a straight white conservative Christian male. Being LGBT or POC is absolutely celebrated in our culture.

I can't tell if you're trying to be ironic here.
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Fuparulez posted...

Deadpool_18 posted...

ZannoL posted...

He's not wrong.

This. Theres some degree of solidarity between those who have been ostracized for factors they cannot control.

Try being a straight white conservative Christian male. Being LGBT or POC is absolutely celebrated in our culture.

Hell, its hard enough being a metro, white, agnostic male.

/s
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hockeybub89 posted...

How do we know Buttigieg is 80% aligned with his critics? What's wrong with not compromising to support a candidate anyway?

its totally possible to not support pete while not being purposely obtuse with shit like the story of the topic

I'm sure a rich, white, gay capitalist shill can relate to poor black people who (try to) work for a living.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I'm sure a rich, white, gay capitalist shill can relate to poor black people who (try to) work for a living.

isnt he the poorest of the candidates?

I don't think being gay is comparable at all to being black. Gays were never sold into slavery or anything, or segragated

hockeybub89 posted...

DirkDiggles posted...

Cops aint pulling over people and killing them for being gay.....

Not cops, no

It's not on the same level as the Black community, but it probably is worth noting that the LGBTQ community is not historically known for having a great relationship with cops
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coh posted...

I don't think being gay is comparable at all to being black. Gays were never sold into slavery or anything, or segragated

i dont think being gay and black are similar at all. blacks (mirroring your phrasing I would say black or gay people but ) were never killed in the holocaust.

i too can be obtuse

watching Keenan & Kel helped me understand the black struggle
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I get what he is saying.

Hes not saying its the same thing, hes saying he has experience and understanding of people treating you differently based on something harmless you can't control

"Othering" you with judgements, stereotypes and hate

Hell in the US gay people still dont have equality, black people do in law.

But of course people ignore the nuance and just pretend he was calling himself black or other silly claims

A legal immigrant being held in a camp at the boarder for 2 years isnt the sane as a guy falsely accused of rape spending 2 years in prison

But theres probably overlapping of experience and sympathy there that others wont feel
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im gonna continue enjoying my family time so I will leave with this.

very obvious to understand persecuted can share an empathy of knowing what its like to face adversity and hardships. Its also obvious that while they can share that empathy their struggles are unique and you cant truly know 100% what it feels like to be something your not. I doubt ANY of the candidatas (well except maybe Biden ) would say that. So go back to attacking Pete for not going far enough for making college free for all or healthcare. Not on shit like this

Big oof
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CruelBuffalo posted...

isnt he the poorest of the candidates?

Hm! You're right. Having abdicated my responsibility, I bow out.

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"I once had a struggle so I understand struggles" is just a goofy statement. It's a "Hello fellow children" type of scenario.

It isn't scandalous but it's a typical out of touch politician/rich man talking point.

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Just glad that no one brought up the pedo comparison

CruelBuffalo posted...

coh posted...

I don't think being gay is comparable at all to being black. Gays were never sold into slavery or anything, or segragated

i dont think being gay and black are similar at all. blacks (mirroring your phrasing I would say black or gay people but ) were never killed in the holocaust.

i too can be obtuse

Blacks were killed in a similar event by germany and by denmark in much larger numbers though.
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they're both marginalized communities, that's about it. he's just trying to cover for previous tone deaf actions toward the black community, and saying "we both struggle" once again comes off as tone deaf

even ignoring all this, he seems to be way too pliable a candidate

LoL-eSports_462 posted...

Damn, hes just trying to help but experiences intense push back...

He's just trying to help himself. He's a piece of shit establishment whore who's in it just to stroke his own ego. He was a terrible mayor who did nothing about this black struggle he claims to identify with, in fact he made it WORSE. I wish he'd get called out in the debates like Kamala Harris did.
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mayor pete is a phony

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CruelBuffalo posted...

So go back to attacking Pete for not going far enough for making college free for all or healthcare. Not on shit like this

No, we'll continue to call out Pete's problematic tones with black people, especially given his past actions. You value more conservative policy enough to not care about the reasons he's unfavorable among black people (you've defended all reasons, not just his comments itt) Cool, you've got a vote and always inject your opinion.

However, you will not police how the black community is allowed to feel, always saying you can't attack Pete on this issue.
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