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REMercsChamp
11/27/19 1:02:28 PM
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They weren't going to buy the game anyway

So they take a duplication of it, no loss to the creators here. End of story

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darkphoenix181
11/27/19 1:03:33 PM
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If they like it they might buy it and they will buy the sequel 100%
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eston
11/27/19 1:04:41 PM
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Raikuro
11/27/19 1:04:51 PM
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Why would anyone waste their time playing something that's not worth any amount of money to them? Time is way more prescious than money.
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MacDaMurderer
11/27/19 1:04:56 PM
#5:


REMercsChamp posted...
They weren't going to buy the game anyway

So they take a duplication of it, no loss to the creators here. End of story


If you weren't going to buy it then dont play it.

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REMercsChamp
11/27/19 1:05:05 PM
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And if you vote Andrew Yang you won't have to worry about this shit anyway because you'll get your video games paid for

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Mr_Karate_II
11/27/19 1:06:16 PM
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eston posted...
Being entitled is not a great defense of piracy



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coh
11/27/19 1:06:25 PM
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Whether it's technically stealing or not is beside the point. It's morally wrong

Get a job you leeches
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ScazarMeltex
11/27/19 1:07:24 PM
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REMercsChamp posted...
And if you vote Andrew Yang you won't have to worry about this shit anyway because you'll get your video games paid for

Imagine thinking your landlord won't just raise your rent by whatever ubi is set at.
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darkphoenix181
11/27/19 1:08:01 PM
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coh posted...
Whether it's technically stealing or not is beside the point. It's morally wrong

Get a job you leeches


Is it though?
They lost nothing since the person wasn't buying it.
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AlephZero
11/27/19 1:10:18 PM
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download game, get devious idea

delete and download it 50 more times, copy it back and forth to different places on my hard drive over and over, game company has now lost tens of thousands of dollars due to me

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Raikuro
11/27/19 1:13:26 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
Is it though?
They lost nothing since the person wasn't buying it.
If they had any interest in playing it they would buy it when it gets super cheap during a sale, but since they already pirated it when it was full price they won't even pay $1 for it later.
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coh
11/27/19 1:15:09 PM
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If you were never going to buy the game then you have no business playing it.
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Guide
11/27/19 1:16:27 PM
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It's theft. "They weren't going to buy it anyway" is an awful defense. You can't prove that, in an environment where they had no alternative to purchase, they wouldn't have bought it. You think many people would by anything if they could download it for free? Get the fuck out of here.

And take a god damn economics class if you're still confusing tangibility as being significant to value.

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REMercsChamp
11/27/19 1:18:55 PM
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Guide posted...
It's theft. "They weren't going to buy it anyway" is an awful defense. You can't prove that, in an environment where they had no alternative to purchase, they wouldn't have bought it. You think many people would by anything if they could download it for free? Get the fuck out of here.

And take a god damn economics class if you're still confusing tangibility as being significant to value.
Sounds like YOU need to take an economics and a class in how to be a bit more humble while you're at it

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Veggeta X
11/27/19 1:20:21 PM
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coh posted...
It's morally wrong
What if the company is a scumbag greedy company?

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Guide
11/27/19 1:20:52 PM
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REMercsChamp posted...
Sounds like YOU need to take an economics and a class in how to be a bit more humble while you're at it


ok boomer

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The-Apostle
11/27/19 1:20:54 PM
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eston posted...
Being entitled is not a great defense of piracy



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darkphoenix181
11/27/19 1:21:34 PM
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Raikuro posted...
If they had any interest in playing it they would buy it when it gets super cheap during a sale, but since they already pirated it when it was full price they won't even pay $1 for it later.


Not true.
People will do things that are free they would have never even given a second thought to doing if they had to pay.

This is why demos exist and samples.

Infact, the big marketing idea in many marketing spaces if give your product out for free (if it is good) and people will come back for more.
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Antifar
11/27/19 1:21:56 PM
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Why squatting isn't trespassing - my opinion
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Veggeta X
11/27/19 1:24:40 PM
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Guide posted...
You think many people would by anything if they could download it for free? Get the fuck out of here.
Well, there's free things but donate if you can options.

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Guide
11/27/19 1:24:48 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
Not true.
People will do things that are free they would have never even given a second thought to doing if they had to pay.

This is why demos exist and samples.

Infact, the big marketing idea in many marketing spaces if give your product out for free (if it is good) and people will come back for more.


That works when the business is tailored to it, and the initial product overlaps with the advertising budget. With games, why buy the second when you already pirated the first?

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MarthGoomba
11/27/19 1:26:11 PM
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REMercsChamp posted...
They weren't going to buy the game anyway

If they weren't going to buy it they do not have the legal right to access it

Or would you actually try to use this same defense for a movie theater or Disney world? "Oh, I wasn't going to buy a ticket anyway, but I still want to watch this movie and go on all these rides!"
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K181
11/27/19 1:26:53 PM
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I'd respect piraters if they dropped the whole facade and just admitted that they pirated games and other media because they're cheap. Stop with the bogus and convoluted attempts to rationalize it, just admit that you're cheap and want something for free. And then also drop the claim that you'll come back and buy it legitimately six years from now for a buck fifty on a bargain sale as if that makes things even or if you'd even do that for all but maybe a couple of the ones you pirated.

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darkphoenix181
11/27/19 1:30:01 PM
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MarthGoomba posted...
Or would you actually try to use this same defense for a movie theater or Disney world? "Oh, I wasn't going to buy a ticket anyway, but I still want to watch this movie and go on all these rides!"


Movies have limited space. Same with disney.

Antifar posted...
Why squatting isn't trespassing - my opinion


Squatting is real space that cannot be shared.

I and you can play the same game and neither of us encroach on the other.
I and you cannot occupy the same space irl without encroaching.
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Doe
11/27/19 1:31:20 PM
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darkphoenix181
11/27/19 1:33:03 PM
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K181 posted...
I'd respect piraters if they dropped the whole facade and just admitted that they pirated games and other media because they're cheap. Stop with the bogus and convoluted attempts to rationalize it, just admit that you're cheap and want something for free.


This is false.

Back before nintendo started selling old games, people pirated them because otherwise they would be paying out their butt for a used copy that doesn't have nintendo see a dime anyways.

Guess what?
Alot of those people also likely rebought the old games they tried out this way when they come to virtual shop.
If they really liked them.

I knew a guy who did this for ff6.
He bought it later on different system. Why did he "pirate it"?
He didn't know he would like it and snes was long off the market. Got bored and just searched library of old games.
Many he tried for a minute and deleted it.
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MarthGoomba
11/27/19 1:33:09 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
Movies have limited space. Same with disney.

The physical space isn't the only thing a ticket is paying for. It's paying for the effort people put into making something for you to experience

But I'm sure video game developers don't need to pay their mortgages/rent, pay for food, all that stuff they need to live and the things to make these games. They do it all for free and the goodness of their hearts!
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Veggeta X
11/27/19 1:37:18 PM
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How about "I won't buy the game. I'll wait for my brother to get done with his and just borrow it from him". How do you guys feel about this?

Company isn't making a sale and consumer will eventually get what he wants.

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darkphoenix181
11/27/19 1:40:34 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
How about "I won't buy the game. I'll wait for my brother to get done with his and just borrow it from him". How do you guys feel about this?

Company isn't making a sale and consumer will eventually get what he wants.


This exposes the hypocrisy.

Unless they want pre-launch xbox one style drm that prevents this.

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Veggeta X
11/27/19 1:43:05 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
This exposes the hypocrisy.


Would love to hear more opinions on this kinda situation. Is it still morally wrong? Do I still have legal access to it since I didn't buy it?

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Tenmyouji
11/27/19 1:43:10 PM
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Eh, only ok with it if its impossible to get the game by any other method.

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gamer167
11/27/19 1:46:37 PM
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If you werent interested enough to buy it anyways why would you bother to download it in the first place? So thats a shitty lie.

If you werent going to pay for it you dont deserve to play it.

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gamer167
11/27/19 1:49:42 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
How about "I won't buy the game. I'll wait for my brother to get done with his and just borrow it from him". How do you guys feel about this?

Company isn't making a sale and consumer will eventually get what he wants.


Well HE paid for it right? Obviously anyone with a brain can tell theres a huge difference between letting your brother or your buddy borrow your game vice uploading to the internet for the whole world to download it.
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darkphoenix181
11/27/19 1:53:57 PM
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gamer167 posted...
Well HE paid for it right? Obviously anyone with a brain can tell theres a huge difference between letting your brother or your buddy borrow your game vice uploading to the internet for the whole world to download it.


And now he changed the argument.

This thread is about 1 dude dling a game not about uploading it.
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Raikuro
11/27/19 2:14:09 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
And now he changed the argument.

This thread is about 1 dude dling a game not about uploading it.
No it's millions of dudes downloading a game one dude uploaded
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Veggeta X
11/27/19 2:50:55 PM
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So it's okay to share one physical copy, even if the company loses that one sale and the leech still goin leech?

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hockeybub89
11/27/19 2:52:41 PM
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I heard that I can have anything I want as long as I say that that I was never going to buy it in the first place.7

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Guide
11/27/19 8:07:42 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...


Alot of those people also likely rebought the old games they tried out this way when they come to virtual shop.



Is there any usable evidence towards this claim?

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Umbreon
11/27/19 8:08:13 PM
#41:


eston posted...
Being entitled is not a great defense of piracy

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Guide
11/27/19 8:09:35 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
Would love to hear more opinions on this kinda situation. Is it still morally wrong? Do I still have legal access to it since I didn't buy it?


Part of the legality involved in ownership is having the right to share a thing, yes.

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Delirious_Beard
11/27/19 8:10:16 PM
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can't believe people still fall for TC's topics
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gloBal enemy
11/27/19 8:25:22 PM
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Delirious_Beard posted...
can't believe people still fall for TC's topics


clickbait works well here

just to be clear though I dont support piracy either. As someone who creates IP, it frustrates me when I see others take the benefit without contributing to costs. This leads me to raise my prices and or creates disincentive for me to do it in the future.

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MrToothHasYou
11/27/19 8:26:03 PM
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I would say its more akin to trespassing than theft - in essence when you buy a digital copy of a game youre paying for the ability to access the experience of playing the game. Pirating it is more like sneaking into a concert or movie than it is shoplifting a watch or something.

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Deadpool_18
11/27/19 8:29:18 PM
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Demon1050
11/27/19 8:34:05 PM
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I love how people keep arguing when it's obvious neither side is ever going to see the light of the other side. It's like, why bother wasting your time?
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Lairen
11/27/19 8:42:38 PM
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Because you can. End of story. My morals say its fine and i sleep better with all of the money i saved. Did i hurt a poor developer? Good, fuck them.
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mustachedmystic
11/27/19 8:48:31 PM
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REMercsChamp posted...
They weren't going to buy the game anyway


Those guys that stole the billion dollar jewels weren't going to buy them anyway. So I guess they aren't thieves either?
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