Current Events > Why pirating media isn't stealing - my opinion

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mustachedmystic posted...

Those guys that stole the billion dollar jewels weren't going to buy them anyway. So I guess they aren't thieves either?

I guess not

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Bit you still got it without paying for it.
Thats stealing.
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Just own the fact that you're stealing and that you're a thief instead of doing some weird mental gymnastics to excuse your guilty conscience.

PesticideDream posted...

Just own the fact that you're stealing and that you're a thief instead of doing some weird mental gymnastics to excuse your guilty conscience.

But i do own that fact. Im only toning down my stance due to ToS here but im completely owning the fact and it makes it all the more enjoyable to do it, imo.
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You should buy a warning sign, you might cut someone with all that edge.

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Guide posted...

You should buy a warning sign, you might cut someone with all that edge.

Just In: Piratings edgy! I also jay walk.

And also: An edgy warning sign? IRONY.
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Lairen posted...

Because you can. End of story. My morals say its fine and i sleep better with all of the money i saved. Did i hurt a poor developer? Good, fuck them.

You won't even want to pirate the games made in a world where no one gets paid to make them. They would barely exist in the first place.

Weird how people want to obtain things from people they hate and are brazen enough to be proud that they are obtaining them illegally

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hockeybub89 posted...

Lairen posted...

Because you can. End of story. My morals say its fine and i sleep better with all of the money i saved. Did i hurt a poor developer? Good, fuck them.

You won't even want to pirate the games made in a world where no one gets paid to make them. They would barely exist in the first place.

Weird how people want to obtain things from people they hate and are brazen enough to be proud that they are obtaining them illegally

Wow. So you think theres no fan made games or money is the only driving force for making games. As i said before, fuck them.
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Money is indeed the primary driving force behind the industry, yes.

By all means, fuck corporate. But I don't understand your hatred of devs.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Lairen posted...

Because you can. End of story. My morals say its fine and i sleep better with all of the money i saved. Did i hurt a poor developer? Good, fuck them.

You won't even want to pirate the games made in a world where no one gets paid to make them. They would barely exist in the first place.

Weird how people want to obtain things from people they hate and are brazen enough to be proud that they are obtaining them illegally

Indie devs make tons of shitty, half assed games. Id rather test than buy on a whim.
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Guide posted...

Money is indeed the primary driving force behind the industry, yes.

By all means, fuck corporate. But I don't understand your hatred of devs.

If the game is good theirs enough scouts to support it.

And again you never address if i borrow it, rent it, or buy it used they still dont get my money.

They got the original sale and then all others were wasted sales. Or when i borrow. Or i wasnt going to buy the game anyways. Yes, ill take it for free but id never have spent money on it.
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Lairen posted...

If the game is good theirs enough scouts to support it.

And again you never address if i borrow it, rent it, or buy it used they still dont get my money.

They got the original sale and then all others were wasted sales. Or when i borrow. Or i wasnt going to buy the game anyways. Yes, ill take it for free but id never have spent money on it.

I did.

Part of the legality involved in ownership is having the right to share a thing, yes.

Someone paid money for you to be able to play the game. That's the difference.

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Guide posted...

Lairen posted...

If the game is good theirs enough scouts to support it.

And again you never address if i borrow it, rent it, or buy it used they still dont get my money.

They got the original sale and then all others were wasted sales. Or when i borrow. Or i wasnt going to buy the game anyways. Yes, ill take it for free but id never have spent money on it.

I did.

Part of the legality involved in ownership is having the right to share a thing, yes.

Someone paid money for you to be able to play the game. That's the difference.

Someone paid for the original copy of the copy i copied.
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That does highlight the issue with seeding more than just the downloading, but also: How do you know?

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The difference is exclusivity of use.

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Guide posted...

That does highlight the issue with seeding more than just the downloading, but also: How do you know?

If i literally copy a friends copy then i guess im in the clear...
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Guide posted...

Part of the legality involved in ownership is having the right to share a thing, yes.

But we're also talking what's morally right AND the fact that the company didn't make a sale, and leecher still got to leech for free and legally too I might add.

Just so we're all on the same bus, it's okay to do anything so long as it's legal. Toss that moral shit out the door, whether or not the company makes money doesn't matter.

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Veggeta X posted...

Just so we're all on the same bus, it's okay to do anything so long as it's legal. Toss that moral s*** out the door, whether or not the company makes money doesn't matter.

I agree with this. Just saying morals are very subjective so dont mix it in with legalities.
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"You wouldn't download a car!"
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Thats an argument, or a bullet point, but idk if that alone means piracy is valid

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When i want to cheat/mod a game i obviously dont use an official copy of the game.

But its not a legal backup, its an illegal copy of the game. There are no legal backups.
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whats morally wrong is buying used or selling games

because you KNOW you are fucking over publishers

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I pirate as I do not believe that the same companies that promote degeneracy deserve my dollars.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Weird how people want to obtain things from people they hate and are brazen enough to be proud that they are obtaining them illegally

textbook thieves are probably the most vile and disgusting

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Umbreon posted...

eston posted...

Being entitled is not a great defense of piracy

This. Piracy may not be stealing, but it's definitely unauthorised copying and an act of being selfish/entitled. It's laughable when piracy apologists think they're teaching the offending publishers/developers a lesson with what they do.
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Lairen posted...

When i want to cheat/mod a game i obviously dont use an official copy of the game.

But its not a legal backup, its an illegal copy of the game. There are no legal backups.

Depends on what country you live in.

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Piracy isn't stealing, but that doesn't make it okay.
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StickFigures720 posted...

This. Piracy may not be stealing, but it's definitely unauthorised copying and an act of being selfish/entitled. It's laughable when piracy apologists think they're teaching the offending publishers/developers a lesson with what they do.

it's really no different than any other criminal excuse. Look at the people who hack into banks or whatever. "They deserve it because their security system wasn't strong enough!"

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Or people that steal smartphones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CgeTbJl31w

They feel like it's okay since the people they steal from 'make more than what they do' . They feel like it's okay to take phones from people that look at their phone too much in public. They feel 'cheated' by the system because they didn't do good in school and they can't handle working a normal job. They rather steal to make a living, then put up with the stress of a job, getting taxed, and being bossed around.
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You're getting something for free you are supposed to pay for, you stole it.

It's like sneaking into an amusement park or theater.
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ModLogic posted...

whats morally wrong is buying used or selling games

because you KNOW you are fucking over publishers

Good point. In addition to pirating, we should definitely buy used games and sell the ones we want to.

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REMercsChamp posted...

And if you vote Andrew Yang you won't have to worry about this shit anyway because you'll get your video games paid for

lol
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