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Deadpool_18
11/21/19 11:07:25 PM
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Nope. Goddamn this is bad. Im ashamed I paid for this.
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PowerOats
11/21/19 11:13:08 PM
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When you design a game around insta death and powerful rewards for killing, you are gonna get a huge influx of campers, period
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Wewillrocku
11/21/19 11:14:32 PM
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as a long time call of duty fan this doesn't bother me. i don't think anyone should even complain about camping. claymores are just game breakingly bad and people never even mention them.
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PowerOats
11/21/19 11:17:32 PM
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what makes claymores gamebreaking?
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Deadpool_18
11/21/19 11:18:45 PM
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Wewillrocku posted...
as a long time call of duty fan this doesn't bother me. i don't think anyone should even complain about camping. claymores are just game breakingly bad and people never even mention them.


Claymores are one of the biggest complaints of this game.

Captain_Qwark posted...
It's a shame because the gun fights actually feel really good

But like 75% of deaths are caused by claymores or campers. There is no incentive to run around


Exactly. Im a pretty fast paced player. But there are like 20 lines of sight for anyone on any map unless youre indoors.
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evil_zombie11
11/21/19 11:19:43 PM
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It was wayyyy worse before the patches
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Middle hope
11/21/19 11:22:13 PM
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Try playing battlefield and get back to me

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DarthAragorn
11/21/19 11:22:19 PM
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evil_zombie11 posted...
It was wayyyy worse before the patches

Before patches it was legitimately the least enjoyable FPS I'd ever played. After the first few patches it's now on par with Ghosts and Infinite Warfare. <_<
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DarthAragorn
11/21/19 11:25:43 PM
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Also I've been using the Kar98k with some success, unlocked a hybrid sight, thought oh shit now I can rush with it and do long range when needed.

Nope, the ADS time is a fucking joke. Default snipers are faster I'm pretty sure
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The Great Muta 22
11/21/19 11:28:08 PM
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I hadn't played a CoD game since I think MW3 and then the remastered one a few years back, but I really don't think it handles any different than from when I played years ago in terms of camping. I never tried it before the patches mind you, but I honestly had the opposite reaction and wondered what all the anger was about when I started playing it.

Now, Prox Mines and Claymores are shitty, I'll grant that

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AvantgardeAClue
11/21/19 11:28:32 PM
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Don't worry y'all

Black Ops 5 will be a safety net next year to satisfy the three lane, endless sprinting itch that people need to scratch

Oh and it'll have about one year of development time behind it
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DarthAragorn
11/21/19 11:30:04 PM
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AvantgardeAClue posted...
Don't worry y'all

Black Ops 5 will be a safety net next year to satisfy the three lane, endless sprinting itch that people need to scratch

Oh and it'll have about one year of development time behind it

Black Ops hasnt had a good game since 2 but Modern Warfare 2k19 ain't good either
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Bad_Mojo
11/21/19 11:31:38 PM
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Anyone want to explain this to a non-FPS player? Like, I know what camping is and the benefits, but that's been a stable of the genre forever now. Why is it so bad now?

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Wewillrocku
11/21/19 11:34:54 PM
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well i for one don't understand it as long as campers play fair in every other way. in this game you never need to collect health, so there's no complaint about anyone hogging the health pick ups or anything like that, like somebody who camps might have said the better players were just playing cheap by going for the health all the time and they had to stay in one place just to survive. you're damaged and you recover health just by waiting a few seconds. it's classic call of duty
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DarthAragorn
11/21/19 11:36:02 PM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
Anyone want to explain this to a non-FPS player? Like, I know what camping is and the benefits, but that's been a stable of the genre forever now. Why is it so bad now?

The game encourages camping so much that a lot of the time you play Team Deathmatch the game won't even reach the score limit whereas that used to be rare as fuck in CoD

Also in games like Siege or Battlefield you can just blow their hidey-hole to hell and back while CoD still has no environmental destruction
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Kaliesto
11/21/19 11:36:35 PM
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I mean what they're doing is realistic anyway, why you want them to run around like a idiot waiting to get shot?

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DarthAragorn
11/21/19 11:37:26 PM
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Kaliesto posted...
I mean what they're doing is realistic anyway, why you want them to run around like a idiot waiting to get shot?

It's Call of Duty, when has it ever been realistic
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SiO4
11/21/19 11:42:00 PM
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Play Verdun, or Tannenburg instead.

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Deadpool_18
11/21/19 11:43:05 PM
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Wewillrocku posted...
well i for one don't understand it as long as campers play fair in every other way. in this game you never need to collect health, so there's no complaint about anyone hogging the health pick ups or anything like that, like somebody who camps might have said the better players were just playing cheap by going for the health all the time and they had to stay in one place just to survive. you're damaged and you recover health just by waiting a few seconds. it's classic call of duty


Its not classic, though. Even CoD4 promoted more movement.
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Wewillrocku
11/21/19 11:44:02 PM
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by it in that sentence i meant health regeneration
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Deadpool_18
11/21/19 11:46:33 PM
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Wewillrocku posted...
by it in that sentence i meant health regeneration


But health regen in HC modes hasnt been a prominent factor since....hell Idk when.
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DarthAragorn
11/21/19 11:47:23 PM
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you know i've actually heard the camping is worse in core modes lol

haven't played HC to compare
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sktgamer_13dude
11/21/19 11:48:18 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
Don't worry y'all

Black Ops 5 will be a safety net next year to satisfy the three lane, endless sprinting itch that people need to scratch

Oh and it'll have about one year of development time behind it

Black Ops hasnt had a good game since 2 but Modern Warfare 2k19 ain't good either

BO3 was good.

Anyway, the only good mode is Gunfight. No one plays objectives because LOLKILLSTREAKS
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sktgamer_13dude
11/21/19 11:50:53 PM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
Anyone want to explain this to a non-FPS player? Like, I know what camping is and the benefits, but that's been a stable of the genre forever now. Why is it so bad now?

Every map has like 10 points of cover to check every time you go outside anywhere. Add into the incredibly quick TTK, people will start camping.
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GallisOTK
11/21/19 11:52:56 PM
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Camping has been in every CoD game, but it's never given this much of an advantage over rushers. The time-to-kill, footstep volume, complicated maps with tons of hiding places, lack of Dead Silence as a perk, very strong claymores/mines that you can replenish without needing to leave your dark corner... literally everything about this game's design inherently benefits campers and punishes rushers.
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Deadpool_18
11/21/19 11:53:55 PM
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GallisOTK posted...
Camping has been in every CoD game, but it's never given this much of an advantage over rushers. The time-to-kill, footstep volume, lack of Dead Silence as a perk, very strong claymores/mines that you can replenish without needing to leave your dark corner... literally everything about this game's design inherently benefits campers and punishes rushers.


It will HAVE to be revamped. They dont want to lose out on all that cash. Balance or go broke.
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DarthAragorn
11/21/19 11:55:03 PM
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There's a large patch dropping tomorrow (presumably, the community rep mentioned yesterday 2 pages of patch notes coming soon) so hopefully that will change some things up
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Deadpool_18
11/21/19 11:57:11 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
There's a large patch dropping tomorrow (presumably, the community rep mentioned yesterday 2 pages of patch notes coming soon) so hopefully that will change some things up


Christ, lets hope so. Theyre going to lose their online fan base.
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GallisOTK
11/21/19 11:57:52 PM
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Deadpool_18 posted...
It will HAVE to be revamped. They dont want to lose out on all that cash. Balance or go broke.

DarthAragorn posted...
There's a large patch dropping tomorrow (presumably, the community rep mentioned yesterday 2 pages of patch notes coming soon) so hopefully that will change some things up

Let's hope. WW2 launched in a bad state too, but it got a big overhaul update and now it's my favorite CoD game of this console generation.
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Wewillrocku
11/21/19 11:58:35 PM
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what about microtransactions? does modern warfare have that?
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Deadpool_18
11/21/19 11:59:34 PM
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Wewillrocku posted...
what about microtransactions? does modern warfare have that?


Not really. Not as bad as BO4, anyway.
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DarthAragorn
11/21/19 11:59:56 PM
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GallisOTK posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...
It will HAVE to be revamped. They dont want to lose out on all that cash. Balance or go broke.

DarthAragorn posted...
There's a large patch dropping tomorrow (presumably, the community rep mentioned yesterday 2 pages of patch notes coming soon) so hopefully that will change some things up

Let's hope. WW2 launched in a bad state too, but it got a big overhaul update and now it's my favorite CoD game of this console generation.

Yeah, I really liked WW2 after patches, tempted to go back and play it while I wait and see if this mess is fixed. I wish it were crossplay like MW, I got it digitally on PS4 but I'd much prefer to play on PC.
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GallisOTK
11/22/19 12:55:23 AM
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Wewillrocku posted...
what about microtransactions? does modern warfare have that?

No, not yet. IW and Activision already guaranteed there would be no supply drop system at any point in the game's life (they gave no such guarantee with any previous game) and the upcoming system looks to be a battle pass system similar to Fortnite. No RNG involved, you just play the game and you know exactly what you'll be unlocking and how far away you are from unlocking it.
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Bad_Mojo
11/22/19 2:07:42 AM
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Yeah, I still don't get it, but thanks for trying to explain it to me

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DarthAragorn
11/22/19 1:24:20 PM
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I'm really sorry for mentioning it yesterday

Today's patch adds nothing of value and instead literally breaks player and weapon leveling apparently

Lmfao this game sucks shit
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Solid Sonic
11/22/19 1:25:20 PM
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Every time I see someone complaining about the game I feel bad I enjoy it.

If you enjoy it, that's fine, I'm just talking about myself.

NO IT'S NOT. I NEED TO BE COOL AND RESPECTED FOR THE GAMES I PLAY.

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UnholyMudcrab
11/22/19 1:28:24 PM
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Pogo_Marimo
11/22/19 1:38:12 PM
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Middle hope posted...
Try playing battlefield and get back to me
BF1 was WAY better than MW is about movement. I would regularly dominate games using a mobility based capture strategy on Ground Wars and STILL put up great K/D ratios while doing it. As well, I could do it with any class. I can do it to a lesser extent in BF5 too, but I've just not put that same time in.

I've tried to continue doing in MW but it, uh, doesn't really work. Just the snipers alone basically one-shotting at any range super easily is rough. I mean, in BF5 if someone can headshot me at 250 yards then damn, props to them. Doesn't really feel that way in MW.

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MC_BatCommander
11/22/19 1:46:16 PM
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16-BITTER posted...
Haha yeah CAMPING!

ARUGULA!


Lmao

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Calwings
11/22/19 2:18:25 PM
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Wewillrocku
11/22/19 2:21:27 PM
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well i never held out hope for the patches. can't see the good in ever, ever modifying a game after release that people play competitively.
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DarthAragorn
11/22/19 2:30:55 PM
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I don't think there was ever a big overhaul coming but this update is still embarrassingly bad
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GallisOTK
11/22/19 2:34:29 PM
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Calwings posted...
So on top of this update being hugely disappointing if it was supposed to be the big overhaul, it's also broken a ton of stuff that wasn't broken before. This game is such a joke that it actually makes me want to reinstall BO4 and play that instead.

Jesus, that's awful. That settles it, I'm going back to WW2.
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DarthAragorn
11/22/19 2:48:23 PM
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I mean they legitimately broke leveling up. You can't level up in a game where everything is locked behind levels. Lmao.
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DarthAragorn
11/22/19 4:06:53 PM
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Yeah I'm trying to decide what FPS to switch to now

This one is dead to me barring major changes
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